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Post by monty on Oct 7, 2012 13:45:10 GMT -8
Texas State is surely not a big win like Hawaii or Army
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2012 14:08:37 GMT -8
I didn't think either Hawaii or Army was a difficult game. Which is why I put money on the Aztecs to cover in both of them.
It should also be noted how little attention has been paid here to the win. A few posters have bemoaned that difference between Hawaii and SJSU and Fresno. Personally, I think that's great. It shows how much less accepting the fan base has become of doing nothing more than beating out-classed opponents while failing to win toss up games.
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Post by aztech on Oct 7, 2012 14:56:56 GMT -8
I didn't think either Hawaii or Army was a difficult game. Which is why I put money on the Aztecs to cover in both of them. It should also be noted how little attention has been paid here to the win. A few posters have bemoaned that difference between Hawaii and SJSU and Fresno. Personally, I think that's great. It shows how much less accepting the fan base has become of doing nothing more than beating out-classed opponents while failing to win toss up games. However had we not covered the spread, this board may be going ballistic. |
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Post by Aztec Since 88 on Oct 7, 2012 14:59:09 GMT -8
That is RL! He will win games against lesser teams but has not shown any ability to beat the better teams or even split wins against the teams that are toss-up games. He will forever be a .500 coach. Until RL wins games he shouldn't, the best I will ever grade his teams are a C.
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Post by aztecdad on Oct 7, 2012 15:57:28 GMT -8
I am biased...I will admit it up front. However, sometimes I wonder what people are basing their opinions on. Gut feelings versus actual stats. For example, some people want to get rid of the Special Teams coach. But really, is that SDSU's big issue?
2011......................Rank.....Avg.
Punt returns............100.......5.23
KO returns...............85.......20.26
Net Punting...............37........37.2
FG............................118......6/15.......2/9 over 30 yards
Punter........................18.........43.75
Through Hawaii game....
2012......................Rank......Avg.
Punt returns.............48.........10
KO returns...............38.........23.38
Net Punting...............54.........37.58
FG...........................T100.......3/6.........2/5 over 30 yards
Punter needs 3.6 punts per game to be factored...no ranking yet. There is slight improvement in the FG kicking...Though it still has a long way to go. The drop off in punting could be attributed to losing the 18th ranked punter. The overall net hasn't changed much in spite of losing a good punter...that would indicate improvement in the coverage if the punt average isn't as high. However, punt and kickoff returns have made bigger progress. Judging by the rankings, Special Teams don't seem to be the major issue. I think that the fans need to relax and see how the whole season plays out. Losing an NFL caliber QB RB, LB and Punter for most mid-majors is going to be an adjustment. Just my two cents. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2012 16:47:10 GMT -8
Sorry, aztecdad, but to repeat, if McMorrow hadn't made two good tackles, chances are Hawaii would have taken one KO return to the house and another deep into our territory. That would have been irrelevant in a blowout like Hawaii but the fact McMorrow - who is obviously a good athlete for a kicker - didn't kick off in the SJSU game cost us that game because the guy who replaced him is NOT a good athlete for a kicker.
And also consider this. The 2011 stats you cite include games against Michigan, TCU and Boise, all ranked teams. Other than Washington, we haven't played anybody even close to a ranked team yet this year.
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Post by aztecdad on Oct 7, 2012 20:18:44 GMT -8
I guess what my long winded point was that it may be premature to reach any final conclusions. I do think that SDSU is a young team that lost some "franchise" players last season. That doesn't impact the Special Teams that I used as an example, and I have only seen the SJSU and Fresno game, but I see some hope for next year. I think there will be growth. As others have pointed out, many of the wins the last two seasons have been against sub .500 teams, so statistical improvement is important.
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Post by k5james on Oct 7, 2012 20:25:44 GMT -8
6-6 will likely be good enough to get into a bowl this year. MWC has 5 bowl tie ins - might not have 5 eligible teams UNR, CSUF, BSU all have 4 or 5 wins, they are all going to bowls SDSU and UNM have 3, AFA 2 wins Davie might be performing a 'miracle' year 1 at UNM with about 65 scholly players - they have Hawaii and AFA next two weeks, still have UNLV, WYO and CSU. That AFA UNM game might be for a bowl. Impossible. Almost nobody can achieve a sub-500 record there, and we're lucky to have the miracle worker who got it done. Pure BS. |
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Post by k5james on Oct 7, 2012 20:34:04 GMT -8
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Post by k5james on Oct 7, 2012 20:41:08 GMT -8
Well I'm sure you're aware that I was being facetious. I don't really think it takes a "miracle worker" to win 48% of your games in ten years at New Mexico, and I don't really think we're lucky to have the one guy who did it. It is at a school that hadn't had a guy win at a higher clip in any decent length of time since the 60s. |
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Post by k5james on Oct 7, 2012 20:42:22 GMT -8
I want him gone too but there's no reason to tear him down. He's a solid coach, just not the guy we need right now.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 7, 2012 21:41:26 GMT -8
I want him gone too but there's no reason to tear him down. He's a solid coach, just not the guy we need right now. Fair enough. I disagree that he's a solid head coach, but he forgot more about football this morning than I've known in my whole life. It's just that the "New Mexico Miracle" thing (in my mind anyway) is based on what I consider to be the false premise that just because no coach ever had won there that no coach ever could or can win there. $#!+ James let's face it the same could be said about SDSU. The last time we were any good, I doubt you were born. After all I'm pretty sure Wyoming won (or at least played in) the Cotton Bowl when it was one of the big three bowls. About a thousand years ago. You are not making sense. The fact that New Mexico never had a coach win as many games as Rocky is pretty good evidence that, especially in the last two or three decades, it's very tough to win there. Of course, reason success in Albuquerque does not necessarily mean that Rocky Long should be HC here. We have six games left. If we win four of those games, which is doable, Rocky will have earned another year at least. Next year will be the acid test. Rocky needs to find a way to beat a team worth beating. The only game that holds a possibility of that the rest of the way is BSU. A win over Nevada would come close. Next year there will be plenty of chances to upset a favored team. AzWm |
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Post by monty on Oct 8, 2012 2:36:02 GMT -8
but, all it takes is a guy walking in day 1, beating the likes of Texas State (might as well have been Army) and bam he's 3-3 there. We've heard this utter load of crap that because he didn't beat anyone at UNM but didn't lose every game played that he must be the one that taught helen Keller what water is. (not to mention everyone acts like ABQ is a 3rd world country). If UNM wasn't insane and didn't schedule 13 games, MWII could very well have them in a bowl game.
Some of this nonsense has developed into a myth about the under 500 coach performing 3 miracles and it's part of the perpetuation of his regime and, combined with beating dunces like craft and Long I, got him the job in the first place. The quicker we tear this crap down, the quicker we can get a coach worth a damn.
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Post by k5james on Oct 8, 2012 5:59:37 GMT -8
but, all it takes is a guy walking in day 1, beating the likes of Texas State (might as well have been Army) and bam he's 3-3 there. We've heard this utter load of crap that because he didn't beat anyone at UNM but didn't lose every game played that he must be the one that taught helen Keller what water is. (not to mention everyone acts like ABQ is a 3rd world country). If UNM wasn't insane and didn't schedule 13 games, MWII could very well have them in a bowl game. Some of this nonsense has developed into a myth about the under 500 coach performing 3 miracles and it's part of the perpetuation of his regime and, combined with beating dunces like craft and Long I, got him the job in the first place. The quicker we tear this crap down, the quicker we can get a coach worth a damn. No, he got the job because Michigan took their sweet ass time to hire Hoke and promoting Long was the best thing for continuity. UNM is 3-3 right now, get back to me at the end of the year. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2012 6:37:38 GMT -8
When it comes to high school football talent to recruit from, Albuquerque IS a third world country.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2012 9:19:16 GMT -8
but, all it takes is a guy walking in day 1, beating the likes of Texas State (might as well have been Army) and bam he's 3-3 there. We've heard this utter load of crap that because he didn't beat anyone at UNM but didn't lose every game played that he must be the one that taught helen Keller what water is. (not to mention everyone acts like ABQ is a 3rd world country). If UNM wasn't insane and didn't schedule 13 games, MWII could very well have them in a bowl game. Some of this nonsense has developed into a myth about the under 500 coach performing 3 miracles and it's part of the perpetuation of his regime and, combined with beating dunces like craft and Long I, got him the job in the first place. The quicker we tear this crap down, the quicker we can get a coach worth a damn. No, he got the job because Michigan took their sweet ass time to hire Hoke and promoting Long was the best thing for continuity. UNM is 3-3 right now, get back to me at the end of the year. Y nephew was recruited at New Mexico we took an un official visit their during a game. I played on their field during the ancient days of freshman football many moons ago .The facilities are awful,it has no fan base. It really has no recruiting base. The place looked like ti did in 1964 with a fresh coat of paint considering the conditions Rocky did an excellent job he actually took them to Bowl games. He could not beat better teams because he did not have much talent.t There is no need to tear him down was an excellent coach for New Mexico(given their record over the years) and a very successful d coordinator. before that. He is a decent guy in every respect. To say no one ever beat a good team is fallacious reasoning.petitio principii, or "begging the question", is committed "when a proposition which requires proof is assumed without proof Who defines a good team. You can define a good team as being abad team soley n the fact it loses to new Mexico. Whether he was good at New Mexico or Bad is not completely relevant to how he could do here one instance does not translate into every situation Falsum in uno, falsum in omnibus . That being said he has been coach here one year and six games. He was only hired because of the Michigan mess. They are not going to fire him if he goes over 500 this year or the enxt. Will he change his staff,that's a question. Will he change the defense that's a question. If he does either I give him credit. Being a successful (by definition winning half your games at New Mexico) is not a damnation or recommendation to be a coach anywhere else. AS far as i am concerned it is what he doe this off season since they are not likely to fire him. If he hires a new DC,allows him to run his on own defense and his own staff then i am ready to see what Rocky can do, if he refuses to do that then we will just have to wait for Sterk to fire him or he retires. Wyoming has a pretty good fan base I mena rlal what elese is ther to do there? They also will fork out some d money for a good coach and staff,something we never do. |
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