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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Oct 2, 2012 16:05:44 GMT -8
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Post by myownwords on Oct 2, 2012 16:08:43 GMT -8
Yes we will, but we are SO lucky that Boise taps us on the shoulder to join with them. The new money could save us if the administration doesn't tank us. |
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Post by k5james on Oct 3, 2012 23:38:06 GMT -8
Not really. Have you looks at the records of the other newbie teams?
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Post by manicwater on Oct 4, 2012 2:51:41 GMT -8
Louisville and Cincy haven't played anybody, and all Rutgers have done is beat a terrible Arkansas.
The Big East is garbage football. The MWC before it was imploded from inside was far superior.
Even big east basketball is about to take a nosedive. Our move to the BE may not be our last conference jump in this decade.
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Post by uncledougy on Oct 4, 2012 7:09:33 GMT -8
I love the comments on the ESPN site, the conference has its fair share of supporters which will help public perception. I am cautiously optimistic about the Big East once we join. It is paramount the Aztecs be competitive in the first season of play.
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Post by insider on Oct 4, 2012 9:11:16 GMT -8
Louisville and Cincy haven't played anybody, and all Rutgers have done is beat a terrible Arkansas. The Big East is garbage football. The MWC before it was imploded from inside was far superior. Even big east basketball is about to take a nosedive. Our move to the BE may not be our last conference jump in this decade. Big east football is average football. Good programs: Boise, Louisville, Cincy, Rutgers (now) Mediocre: SDSU, Temple, UCONN, UCF, Houston (though in downward year), SMU (same as Houston), USF Bad: Memphis Big East basketball will still be a elite conference with Georgetown, Memphis, Louisville, Temple, Nova, Marquette ect |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 4, 2012 9:11:24 GMT -8
Yes, SDSU needs to upgrade the program, and the sooner the better. First thing is to snap out of it this year and start playing some decent defense. 7-5 is still a real possibility, with 8-4 looking less likely but not completely out of reach. Second, we need to recruit better. Mostly 2-star recruits with a handful of 3s is not going to do it. We need to recruit bunches of 3-star guys and a 4-star player now and then. Finally, and this is controversial, our coaching must improve. I refer here not to the head man; Rocky Long is still a knowledgeable coach with years of experience and success. (Okay, I know. He was not won a single National Championship, so he must be no good.  On the other hand, he did pretty well at a school where basketball gets most of the attention.) No, I am talking about assistants. Perhaps Rocky ought to think seriously about upgrading the quality of his assistants. Replacing assistants is one major change that would not be opposed by the administration. The Big East will definitely be a challenge. AzWm |
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Post by monty on Oct 4, 2012 9:34:37 GMT -8
Yes, SDSU needs to upgrade the program, and the sooner the better. First thing is to snap out of it this year and start playing some decent defense. 7-5 is still a real possibility, with 8-4 looking less likely but not completely out of reach. Second, we need to recruit better. Mostly 2-star recruits with a handful of 3s is not going to do it. We need to recruit bunches of 3-star guys and a 4-star player now and then. Finally, and this is controversial, our coaching must improve. I refer here not to the head man; Rocky Long is still a knowledgeable coach with years of experience and success. (Okay, I know. He was not won a single National Championship, so he must be no good. On the other hand, he did pretty well at a school where basketball gets most of the attention.) No, I am talking about assistants. Perhaps Rocky ought to think seriously about upgrading the quality of his assistants. Replacing assistants is one major change that would not be opposed by the administration. The Big East will definitely be a challenge. AzWm I see this is the new fallacious way of arguing for Rocky: oh yea, really, he hasn't won a national title, he can't be any good, oh yea, for sure Expecting to beat sjsu and/or fresno with a new coach after they went 4-8 last year is not in the same fluffin ballpark of calling for him to win a national title. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 4, 2012 10:12:28 GMT -8
Yes, SDSU needs to upgrade the program, and the sooner the better. First thing is to snap out of it this year and start playing some decent defense. 7-5 is still a real possibility, with 8-4 looking less likely but not completely out of reach. Second, we need to recruit better. Mostly 2-star recruits with a handful of 3s is not going to do it. We need to recruit bunches of 3-star guys and a 4-star player now and then. Finally, and this is controversial, our coaching must improve. I refer here not to the head man; Rocky Long is still a knowledgeable coach with years of experience and success. (Okay, I know. He was not won a single National Championship, so he must be no good. On the other hand, he did pretty well at a school where basketball gets most of the attention.) No, I am talking about assistants. Perhaps Rocky ought to think seriously about upgrading the quality of his assistants. Replacing assistants is one major change that would not be opposed by the administration. The Big East will definitely be a challenge. AzWm I see this is the new fallacious way of arguing for Rocky: oh yea, really, he hasn't won a national title, he can't be any good, oh yea, for sure Expecting to beat sjsu and/or fresno with a new coach after they went 4-8 last year is not in the same fluffin ballpark of calling for him to win a national title. I may be wrong, but I think that my feeble attempt at humor did not work for you. My position is this. Although we would like to think that the 2012 Aztecs should be 3-2 right now, maybe even 4-1, perhaps we over-rated our chances this year. Maybe a different coach could have us at 4-1 now; we will never know. Perhaps a different coach would have greater success than Rocky would next year. We will never know that either, in all likelihood, since the university surely does not want to have to hire coach number three in a five year span. (We could also mention that firing Rocky would mean SDSU would have had 10 coaches in a span of 33 years. . . . not a good record.) You know, it might be well to consider that coaches and players at other schools, such as San Jose State and Fresno State are doing their best to improve their programs. In the case of SJSU, the Spartans went from 1 win in '10 to 5 last year. Fresno State has almost always been better than SDSU for decades, and we barely beat them in the Q last season. New coach means a easy win? Not always. I can think of a case in which a new coach changed things dramatically, going from 1-6-1 the previous year to 7-2-1 his first year on the job. You have heard of him, no doubt. I refer to Don Coryell. AzWm |
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Post by aztech on Oct 4, 2012 12:04:48 GMT -8
First things first, Hirshman has to dump Sterk. I'm telling you this guy ain't gonna to do it for us, guys. He's no different from the long line of past ADs on the Mesa. We'll know when we have a good AD from his actions instead of selling us their mistakes, which they all did. Just as we all knew Hoke was taking us to another level, had he stuck around. Just about everyone here will know who has IT and there are pages upon pages questioning those that didn't.
Think about this. After all these years our best hires, Steve Fisher & Brady Hoke, were not initiated by our ADs. How sad is that?
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Post by Azthetic on Oct 4, 2012 12:23:28 GMT -8
First things first, Hirshman has to dump Sterk. I'm telling you this guy ain't gonna to do it for us, guys. He's no different from the long line of past ADs on the Mesa. We'll know when we have a good AD from his actions instead of selling us their mistakes, which they all did. Just as we all knew Hoke was taking us to another level, had he stuck around. Just about everyone here will know who has IT and there are pages upon pages questioning those that didn't. Think about this. After all these years our best hires, Steve Fisher & Brady Hoke, were not initiated by our ADs. How sad is that? Sterk got us out of the Mountain West for the Big East in football when we have very little going for us on the field or in the stands. This move alone will result in the saving of the athletic department as it will increase our revenue by several million dollars per season. Further, the move to the Big West will save the department travel costs, increase exposure on television that most people in Southern California can get more easily than the Mtn, allow families to see more of their kid's games, and it looks like generate more money for men's basketball via t.v. deal(s). He talked Rocky into staying before last season when Hoke picked up and left for his dream job, which would have been a nightmare for the Aztecs. Not too many people were upset with the move last year when we were on our way to a second straight bowl game. He helped save the athletic program. Time to can him. O.K. I guess I don't get "IT". From a 30,000 ft view, he should have a building on campus named after him. |
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Post by therealeman on Oct 4, 2012 12:47:18 GMT -8
I can easily argue that Boise State single handedly got SDSU fb into the Big East, not Sterk. Sure, he may have been lobbying the Pac 12 and Big 12 while all the $#!+ was hitting the realignment fan, but if BYU doesn't prove difficult in negotiations with the Big East, we stay in the Mountain West. The Broncos wanted a western partner and we lucked out when they chose us. If the president and Sterk turn the invite down, heads would have rolled, and fast.
The Big West move was the most logical (and not so popular) choice after accepting the Big East invite. And we now know that the league would have welcomed us with open arms with or without Sterk.
So before we go saying that Sterk "saved" our athletic department, let's take a step back and look at the circumstances that got us here, which were for the most part out of his control.
With that said, a great opportunity did fall on SDSU's lap almost overnight, so it will be up to the administration and coaches not to screw this up.
First thing's first, though, fire Rocky Long.
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Post by Azthetic on Oct 4, 2012 13:03:20 GMT -8
I can easily argue that Boise State single handedly got SDSU fb into the Big East, not Sterk. Sure, he may have been lobbying the Pac 12 and Big 12 while all the $#!+ was hitting the realignment fan, but if BYU doesn't prove difficult in negotiations with the Big East, we stay in the Mountain West. The Broncos wanted a western partner and we lucked out when they chose us. If the president and Sterk turn the invite down, heads would have rolled, and fast. The Big West move was the most logical (and not so popular) choice after accepting the Big East invite. And we now know that the league would have welcomed us with open arms with or without Sterk. So before we go saying that Sterk "saved" our athletic department, let's take a step back and look at the circumstances that got us here, which were for the most part out of his control. With that said, a great opportunity did fall on SDSU's lap almost overnight, so it will be up to the administration and coaches not to screw this up. First thing's first, though, fire Rocky Long. Even if it was "luck," then he was responsible to help bring it to us, just as a coaching change in a sport can change a roster of "losers" into "winners" so can bringing in a new leader. It's called momentum and if anyone should understand that, it's sports fans. Sterk came to SDSU at the right time and oversaw the good changes. You have to give him some credit for that rather than this "fell into his lap" crap just as you would not give him a pass if things all went horribly wrong when he arrived. In life, when things are aligned properly and you are prepared, then it does seem "lucky" or "easy" to others when you succeed. |
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Post by aztech on Oct 4, 2012 13:07:37 GMT -8
I can easily argue that Boise State single handedly got SDSU fb into the Big East, not Sterk. Sure, he may have been lobbying the Pac 12 and Big 12 while all the $#!+ was hitting the realignment fan, but if BYU doesn't prove difficult in negotiations with the Big East, we stay in the Mountain West. The Broncos wanted a western partner and we lucked out when they chose us. If the president and Sterk turn the invite down, heads would have rolled, and fast. The Big West move was the most logical (and not so popular) choice after accepting the Big East invite. And we now know that the league would have welcomed us with open arms with or without Sterk. So before we go saying that Sterk "saved" our athletic department, let's take a step back and look at the circumstances that got us here, which were for the most part out of his control. With that said, a great opportunity did fall on SDSU's lap almost overnight, so it will be up to the administration and coaches not to screw this up. First thing's first, though, fire Rocky Long. That was pretty much going to be my reply. You beat me too it. Sterk's more important task will be evaluated later, meaning his personnel decisions. That to me is going to be scary. |
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Post by therealeman on Oct 4, 2012 13:15:41 GMT -8
I can easily argue that Boise State single handedly got SDSU fb into the Big East, not Sterk. Sure, he may have been lobbying the Pac 12 and Big 12 while all the $#!+ was hitting the realignment fan, but if BYU doesn't prove difficult in negotiations with the Big East, we stay in the Mountain West. The Broncos wanted a western partner and we lucked out when they chose us. If the president and Sterk turn the invite down, heads would have rolled, and fast. The Big West move was the most logical (and not so popular) choice after accepting the Big East invite. And we now know that the league would have welcomed us with open arms with or without Sterk. So before we go saying that Sterk "saved" our athletic department, let's take a step back and look at the circumstances that got us here, which were for the most part out of his control. With that said, a great opportunity did fall on SDSU's lap almost overnight, so it will be up to the administration and coaches not to screw this up. First thing's first, though, fire Rocky Long. Even if it was "luck," then he was responsible to help bring it to us, just as a coaching change in a sport can change a roster of "losers" into "winners" so can bringing in a new leader. It's called momentum and if anyone should understand that, it's sports fans. Sterk came to SDSU at the right time and oversaw the good changes. You have to give him some credit for that rather than this "fell into his lap" crap just as you would not give him a pass if things all went horribly wrong when he arrived. In life, when things are aligned properly and you are prepared, then it does seem "lucky" or "easy" to others when you succeed. Okay, as of right now, I'll give him credit for signing all the paperwork and making decisions that were clear as day to everyone, but like Aztech just said, Sterk's real evaluation period starts next year. |
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Post by 99levi on Oct 4, 2012 13:16:01 GMT -8
As long as we take care of ourselves building these programs on firm foundations, everything will fall into place.
Yes. agreed, regarding our AD. There really is no such thing as luck. You are either prepared to do the task at hand or not. Now "vision" is another thing but that's another topic.
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Post by aztech on Oct 4, 2012 13:16:30 GMT -8
I can easily argue that Boise State single handedly got SDSU fb into the Big East, not Sterk. Sure, he may have been lobbying the Pac 12 and Big 12 while all the $#!+ was hitting the realignment fan, but if BYU doesn't prove difficult in negotiations with the Big East, we stay in the Mountain West. The Broncos wanted a western partner and we lucked out when they chose us. If the president and Sterk turn the invite down, heads would have rolled, and fast. The Big West move was the most logical (and not so popular) choice after accepting the Big East invite. And we now know that the league would have welcomed us with open arms with or without Sterk. So before we go saying that Sterk "saved" our athletic department, let's take a step back and look at the circumstances that got us here, which were for the most part out of his control. With that said, a great opportunity did fall on SDSU's lap almost overnight, so it will be up to the administration and coaches not to screw this up. First thing's first, though, fire Rocky Long. Even if it was "luck," then he was responsible to help bring it to us, just as a coaching change in a sport can change a roster of "losers" into "winners" so can bringing in a new leader. It's called momentum and if anyone should understand that, it's sports fans. Sterk came to SDSU at the right time and oversaw the good changes. You have to give him some credit for that rather than this "fell into his lap" crap just as you would not give him a pass if things all went horribly wrong when he arrived. In life, when things are aligned properly and you are prepared, then it does seem "lucky" or "easy" to others when you succeed. Hey, if I saw the handwriting on the wall after hiring Paul Wulff and letting Randy Bennett go while seeing SDSU had Fisher and the promising Hoke, I'd skip town too. LOL |
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Post by smoothcat on Oct 4, 2012 21:03:00 GMT -8
Big 5 is Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, Metta World Peace, Kobe Bryant and Steve Nash.
My bad, wrong board!
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On the other hand, he did pretty well at a school where basketball gets most of the attention.) No, I am talking about assistants. Perhaps Rocky ought to think seriously about upgrading the quality of his assistants. Replacing assistants is one major change that would not be opposed by the administration.
