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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 16, 2012 13:49:20 GMT -8
but still a fascinating one.
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Post by panammaniac on Aug 16, 2012 13:49:39 GMT -8
I guess me not being a regular poster here, I didn't pick up on the "Big Lots" reference and assumed he was talking about the MVC. I wouldn't at all be opposed to a return to the Big West either. We would have some great hoops matchups bewteen our schools, and for selfish reasons I'd have several road game venues (Fullerton, UCI, CSULB) within 30 minutes of my home.
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Post by panammaniac on Aug 16, 2012 13:52:34 GMT -8
you do know this topic has evolved into NMSU's options, right? And that I was talking about the MVC? glad you did. carry on Sorry - didn't mean to hijack the thread. Somehow or another though I think this all just may end up being relevant to SDSU in the end. I have nothing to back that statement up other than a gut feeling.
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 16, 2012 13:54:27 GMT -8
no worries, panammaniac. if anything, you brought up a great topic that is worth discussing and I'm glad we're all running with it.
my previous comment was meant for sgf
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 14:20:15 GMT -8
I guess me not being a regular poster here, I didn't pick up on the "Big Lots" reference and assumed he was talking about the MVC. Don't mind Gaucho. He's just this board's White Rabbit. We followed him down the hole to his world and now he pops up every so often to tell us it's not so bad there once you get used to the conference insisting on eating from the side of the mushroom which keeps everything tiny.
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Post by panammaniac on Aug 16, 2012 14:32:38 GMT -8
What I really want more than anything (again, getting back to the fact that I grew up in San Diego and still have a little bit of SDSU fan left in me) is the best situation for both SDSU and NMSU. I know that you guys are getting a big payday from the Big East and hope that all works out for the best. At the same time, there's no denying that SDSU hoops took a huge step backwards by going to the Big West. It would do both of our schools some good if we could somehow or another get us back in there. Travel to Las Cruces isn't that bad, and unlike Boise we would actually strengthen the conference. Still, it's not a bus trip and we don't have the Big East paycheck coming in to pay travel subsidies out of. It would require, as others have pointed out, a desire for the Big West to actually improve itself.
It still doesn't solve the football riddle of course. We can survive as an FBS indy for a few years but beyond that I'm not so sure.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 14:38:57 GMT -8
Don't mind Gaucho. He's just this board's White Rabbit. We followed him down the hole to his world and now he pops up every so often to tell us it's not so bad there once you get used to the conference insisting on eating from the side of the mushroom which keeps everything tiny. haha!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 14:46:14 GMT -8
Seems to me what NMSU needs to do is find a local legislator to carry a bill to overturn that law which would give all your football money to UNM if you guys dropped down to the FCS level. After all, it isn't exactly like UNM has actually earned any football revenue. I'm not sure New Mexico can support an FBS football program in the new world of college football. Not enough people and almost no HS football talent in the state from which to build a FBS program.
As you may have noticed, I don't see the MWC surviving as a football conference anyway if Fresno becomes the 14th football playing member of the BE. If that happens, I see the three front range schools joining CUSA and Fresno joining the Big Lots or, if the Big Lots continues to refuse to want to grow, SDSU, Fresno and Boise looking to form another Olympic sports conference. Either way, NMSU would be better off in the Big Lots, at least temporarily. And if you were already joined up with the three of us, UNM couldn't do a thing about keeping you out of any such new conference.
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Post by fatmanaztec on Aug 16, 2012 15:44:33 GMT -8
Big conumbdrum (sp?) about NMSU to Big Lots.
If Boise is going to have to pay not only travel expenses but another amount of juice (presumably with the help of the BE) then it would be my premise that Boise would expect and/or require that NMSU be put up to the same.
Does NMSU have the financial resources to be considered on an even playing field with Boise as to potential entrance?
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Post by 78aztec82 on Aug 16, 2012 15:45:22 GMT -8
Still off topic.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Aug 16, 2012 16:53:33 GMT -8
What I really want more than anything (again, getting back to the fact that I grew up in San Diego and still have a little bit of SDSU fan left in me) is the best situation for both SDSU and NMSU. I know that you guys are getting a big payday from the Big East and hope that all works out for the best. At the same time, there's no denying that SDSU hoops took a huge step backwards by going to the Big West. It would do both of our schools some good if we could somehow or another get us back in there. Travel to Las Cruces isn't that bad, and unlike Boise we would actually strengthen the conference. Still, it's not a bus trip and we don't have the Big East paycheck coming in to pay travel subsidies out of. It would require, as others have pointed out, a desire for the Big West to actually improve itself. It still doesn't solve the football riddle of course. We can survive as an FBS indy for a few years but beyond that I'm not so sure. I wouldn't mind NMSU being #12 in the Big West (aka Big Lots). Will it happen... not likely.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 17:26:29 GMT -8
change the m to n and drop the b
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 16, 2012 17:38:54 GMT -8
Those div 2 schools used to pretend they were big time then, though, p-maniac; now they are going to make you pay travel stipends because they only care if they can bus even though NMSU would indeed be a good add to a league like the Big Lots that in spite of the loser D2 schools there have now added 3 schools with actual basketball arenas. Speaking of Big Lots, we were joined playing golf yesterday by a gentleman sporting a USC Golf Bag and Head Covers. About the fourth of fifth hole, I asked him if he had got that stuff at Big Lots. The rest of the round was a little icy. ;D
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Post by panammaniac on Aug 17, 2012 6:29:51 GMT -8
Big conumbdrum (sp?) about NMSU to Big Lots. If Boise is going to have to pay not only travel expenses but another amount of juice (presumably with the help of the BE) then it would be my premise that Boise would expect and/or require that NMSU be put up to the same. Does NMSU have the financial resources to be considered on an even playing field with Boise as to potential entrance?In a word, no. We don't have the fat Big East paycheck to help pay travel subsidies. As an FBS indy we will likely have 3 body bag games a year which will bring in about $2.5M, but we will likely need a good chunk of that to bring in mid-level FBS opponents to fill out our home schedule. What we do offer is better hoops competition. Donk State has never amounted to much in hoops and I'd expect them to be a middle of the pack team at best in the BWC. We would be battling it out with you guys every year. The Big West was a pretty nice little hoops conference in its heyday. UNLV, NMSU, and USU had an intense rivalry going and spent a lot of time playing on ESPN (ESPN's Big Monday gave the conference a lot of exposure in those days). CSULB, UCI, CSUF, UCSB, and Pacific were no pushovers like most of them are now, and you didn't have the likes of UCR and CSUN to push around. It's fallen pretty far since then but it could start to climb back up a little if it so desires.
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 17, 2012 12:10:19 GMT -8
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Post by panammaniac on Aug 17, 2012 12:36:36 GMT -8
I was able to get one little tidbit out of one of my "moles" in the NMSU AD as to what might be happening behind the scenes. It's an on-again, off-again discussion between the WAC and the Big Sky, but it could look something like this...
First off, the Big Sky is currently at 9 olympic and 13 football schools. With Idaho they're 10/13 assuming Idaho plays FBS indy for now.
Basically, the Big Sky would merge with what's left of the WAC. The mechanics would be such that the Big Sky takes over control of the WAC and moves it under its umbrella, then moves a few schools over. They would also need one more non-football school, presumably UVU. That brings the Big Sky to a 14/13 configuration and they would split into two divisions of 7 for hoops. Essentially this makes the Big Sky a 14-team league with 2 basketball autobids (by moving schools over to the WAC they retain the WAC's existing autobid).
Now, football. One of two things can happen a couple years down the road. Either a) Idaho determines they can't compete as an FBS indy and joins for all sports, making it 14/14; or b) something more radical. Some of the Big Sky schools decide to move up to FBS. Now, NMSU and Idaho join for all sports to make it 14/15 and you split into two "divisions" - one FBS and one FCS (really two separate conferences operating under the same umbrella). You would need 5 schools to move up to form a 7-school FBS conference. Montana would probably do it, especially with this arrangement where they could do it without having to drag Montana State with them. There are other potential schools that could make the jump - Sac State, Cal Poly, Davis, Portland State, NAU, so it's entirely possible that it could happen. It seems to me that it would be a heck of a lot easier for a school to jump if doing so didn't mean conference shopping.
I don't know how much traction this has if any, but I know that it has at least been kicked around.
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Aug 17, 2012 12:51:28 GMT -8
I was able to get one little tidbit out of one of my "moles" in the NMSU AD as to what might be happening behind the scenes. It's an on-again, off-again discussion between the WAC and the Big Sky, but it could look something like this... First off, the Big Sky is currently at 9 olympic and 13 football schools. With Idaho they're 10/13 assuming Idaho plays FBS indy for now. Basically, the Big Sky would merge with what's left of the WAC. The mechanics would be such that the Big Sky takes over control of the WAC and moves it under its umbrella, then moves a few schools over. They would also need one more non-football school, presumably UVU. That brings the Big Sky to a 14/13 configuration and they would split into two divisions of 7 for hoops. Essentially this makes the Big Sky a 14-team league with 2 basketball autobids (by moving schools over to the WAC they retain the WAC's existing autobid). Now, football. One of two things can happen a couple years down the road. Either a) Idaho determines they can't compete as an FBS indy and joins for all sports, making it 14/14; or b) something more radical. Some of the Big Sky schools decide to move up to FBS. Now, NMSU and Idaho join for all sports to make it 14/15 and you split into two "divisions" - one FBS and one FCS (really two separate conferences operating under the same umbrella). You would need 5 schools to move up to form a 7-school FBS conference. Montana would probably do it, especially with this arrangement where they could do it without having to drag Montana State with them. There are other potential schools that could make the jump - Sac State, Cal Poly, Davis, Portland State, NAU, so it's entirely possible that it could happen. It seems to me that it would be a heck of a lot easier for a school to jump if doing so didn't mean conference shopping. I don't know how much traction this has if any, but I know that it has at least been kicked around. The plan would have to be something big and radical like this, given the cone of silence your school has been under lately. I really hope this comes off as you describe, since I hate to see any school get hosed in the new TV-driven haves/have nots era we're in. For a long time it appeared SDSU would be left out in the cold, so I have much sympathy for NMSU's situation. For your sake, Panamaniac, may it all work out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2012 12:57:07 GMT -8
Those div 2 schools used to pretend they were big time then, though, p-maniac; now they are going to make you pay travel stipends because they only care if they can bus even though NMSU would indeed be a good add to a league like the Big Lots that in spite of the loser D2 schools there have now added 3 schools with actual basketball arenas. Speaking of Big Lots, we were joined playing golf yesterday by a gentleman sporting a USC Golf Bag and Head Covers. About the fourth of fifth hole, I asked him if he had got that stuff at Big Lots. The rest of the round was a little icy. ;D I don't know why I was reading this thread because I didn't really care about the topic but that story made it worth my time. Good work.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2012 13:12:32 GMT -8
I really hope this comes off as you describe, since I hate to see any school get hosed in the new TV-driven haves/have nots era we're in. For a long time it appeared SDSU would be left out in the cold, so I have much sympathy for NMSU's situation. For your sake, Panamaniac, may it all work out. This. I have nothing but scorn for the school which started out as a member of the conference which was the predecessor to the Pac-8, then dropped down to God knows where before eventually building a quonset hut and calling it a stadium. However, I really wish good luck to NMSU. I've just read so many stoopid anti-NMSU comments by UNM fans on the MWC board that I hope the Aggies can someday shove it in the Lobos' face.
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