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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 16, 2012 12:12:59 GMT -8
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Post by 1611Luginbill on Aug 16, 2012 12:15:53 GMT -8
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 16, 2012 12:22:26 GMT -8
still relevant for those who keep on hoping SDSU plays not one basketball game in the Big West. |
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Post by k5james on Aug 16, 2012 12:26:37 GMT -8
still relevant for those who keep on hoping SDSU plays not one basketball game in the Big West. Nah, you guys caved already, we couldn't care less about the WAC anymore. |
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 16, 2012 12:35:44 GMT -8
still relevant for those who keep on hoping SDSU plays not one basketball game in the Big West. Nah, you guys caved already, we couldn't care less about the WAC anymore. we'll see who caved soon enough. but I agree with you, since Boise is apparently joining us, the WAC is no longer an issue for either party so I will not bring that up again. The much more interesting question now is: What becomes of New Mexico State, Denver, or Seattle? |
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Aug 16, 2012 12:40:25 GMT -8
Nobody caved. The Boise thing worked out exactly the way everybody knew it would. Who really thought BSU wouldn't get into the BW for next season? All the talk to the contrary was just posturing. It was a win-win, with the BW coming out of the negotiations in far better shape than it went in.
And you're right, JD, it is a very big question: If you're NMSU, what do you do now?
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Post by laaztec on Aug 16, 2012 12:50:11 GMT -8
Yes, Huge Bombshell.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 13:03:02 GMT -8
THE COLLEGE FOOTBALL LANDSCAPE CONTINUES TO BE ROCKED
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Post by panammaniac on Aug 16, 2012 13:08:14 GMT -8
Nobody caved. The Boise thing worked out exactly the way everybody knew it would. Who really thought BSU wouldn't get into the BW for next season? All the talk to the contrary was just posturing. It was a win-win, with the BW coming out of the negotiations in far better shape than it went in. And you're right, JD, it is a very big question: If you're NMSU, what do you do now?If you're an NMSU fan/alum like me, you crap your pants, then hope like hell that the gag rule that the NMSU prez put into place 3 months ago doesn't just mean they don't have a clue as to what to do next. And yes it's a very tight gag rule. I have good friends deep inside the athletic department there who won't even give me the slightest hint of anything that may or may not be going on behind the scenes. I'm not quite sure what to make of it. A few possible scenarios: - The WAC merges with the Great West + Bakersfield. After this year the Great West only has 4 schools. This merger brings the WAC back to 8. The downer is we would be stuck with Chicago State and New Jersey Tech - awful travel for olympic sports. - Same as above, except add just UVU, UTPA, Grand Canyon, and Bakersfield to get to 7. Not real attractive but at least it's a home. - Still some discussions in effect about some sort of "agreement" between the WAC and Big Sky to merge for everything except football. The principal here is that the BSC would basically "loan" 4 schools to the WAC for olympic sports, allowing the WAC to keep its basketball auto-bid and giving 4 additional Big Sky schools access to that autobid. Seems less likely now with Idaho making the move but who knows. - NMSU and Denver make a push to get back to the SBC. The SBC said no earlier, but perhaps that had something to do with Idaho wanting to come along for the ride. Geographically it's a great fit with the Texas schools. NMSU is doing everything it can to stay FBS, primarily because of state legistlation that would give UNM the lion's share of the state funding if we drop down. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 13:10:32 GMT -8
If you're an NMSU fan/alum like me, you crap your pants NMSU belongs in the Big Sky with Idaho- for ALL sports |
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 16, 2012 13:11:43 GMT -8
MontezumaPhil, if I am the athletic director of NMSU I say quietly, "Let's try another direction. We can lobby C-USA, the MWC or the Sun Belt at any time."
It may sound crazy, but I'd go hit up the Missouri Valley Conference first - that league with Creighton, Wichita State, Northern Iowa, Southern Illinois, etc. They are usually a top-15 league in basketball (realtimeRPI says 8th last year) and apparently have some decent baseball too; three teams made the NCAA tournament this past year.
While only three of the ten MVC members are within 1,000 miles of Las Cruces, in the big picture that's not so different from the WAC of the 2000s where only Utah State was "relatively" close by. The benefit to the league is that NMSU can be its key to opening Texas up. NMSU takes a step up in basketball competition so it's a win-win all around.
If that doesn't work, how about trying an old friend - the Big West?
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Post by panammaniac on Aug 16, 2012 13:21:28 GMT -8
MontezumaPhil, if I am the athletic director of NMSU I say quietly, "Let's try another direction. We can lobby C-USA, the MWC or the Sun Belt at any time." It may sound crazy, but I'd go hit up the Missouri Valley Conference first - that league with Creighton, Wichita State, etc. They are usually a top-15 league in basketball (realtimeRPI says 8th last year) and apparently have some decent baseball too; three teams made the NCAA tournament this past year. While only three of the ten MVC members are within 1,000 miles of Las Cruces, in the big picture that's not so different from the WAC of the 2000s where only Utah State was "relatively" close by. The benefit to the league is that NMSU can be its key to opening Texas up. NMSU takes a step up in basketball competition so it's a win-win all around. If that doesn't work, how about trying an old friend - the Big West? NMSU was in the Missouri Valley before but left for the PCAA when the MVC dropped football. We are a excellent competitive fit in that conference for basketball and fans would embrace that move in a heartbeat. The only problem is it probably means the end of FBS football which is a huge problem for us. Not that NMSU couldn't become a decent FCS school, but it would mean a big cut in funding from the state legislature (which ultimtely means more money going to our evil twin to the north - something that the NMSU admins will not embrace), and it also means no more home football games against UNM or UTEP which are always the biggest home crowd of the year. If we went FCS I think we'd be better off in the Big Sky for all sports. At least then we would have some stability and be able to form some regional rivalries. |
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Post by monty on Aug 16, 2012 13:25:17 GMT -8
Those div 2 schools used to pretend they were big time then, though, p-maniac; now they are going to make you pay travel stipends because they only care if they can bus even though NMSU would indeed be a good add to a league like the Big Lots that in spite of the loser D2 schools there have now added 3 schools with actual basketball arenas.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 13:27:27 GMT -8
and it also means no more home football games against UNM or UTEP which are always the biggest home crowd of the year. If we went FCS I think we'd be better off in the Big Sky for all sports. At least then we would have some stability and be able to form some regional rivalries. With regards to UNM and UTEP, in case you haven't noticed, the college football rivalry is going the way of the dodo. As to the Big Sky, I think you are spot on. |
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Post by panammaniac on Aug 16, 2012 13:32:46 GMT -8
Those div 2 schools used to pretend they were big time then, though, p-maniac; now they are going to make you pay travel stipends because they only care if they can bus even though NMSU would indeed be a good add to a league like the Big Lots that in spite of the loser D2 schools there have now added 3 schools with actual basketball arenas. Read what jdgaucho said above - the MVC is a VERY solid mid-major basketball conference and also plays good baseball. I wouldn't mind for a minute being back in a hoops conference with Butler, Wichita State, Northern Iowa, Creighton...all very good hoops programs and even a step up over the WAC of recent years with NMSU, USU, and Nevada. The problem is it leaves football holding the bag. |
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Post by McQuervo on Aug 16, 2012 13:37:16 GMT -8
Blaaaa- off topic
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 13:40:50 GMT -8
Those div 2 schools used to pretend they were big time then, though, p-maniac; now they are going to make you pay travel stipends because they only care if they can bus even though NMSU would indeed be a good add to a league like the Big Lots that in spite of the loser D2 schools there have now added 3 schools with actual basketball arenas. This. And the stupidity of that philosophy is unquantifiable. But what the hell, I'll try anyway. Just how much money in tournament credits is the Big Lots losing by never getting more than one team in every year? With Boise joining the BLC will be at 11 for hoops so adding NMSU would make it an even dozen while significantly improving the quality of the league. But would the BLC consider that? Eff no! If that happened, somebody might actually grow the balls to demand that CSUN and UCR - I guess Fullerton, too - build a legit WCC-level gym or get the hell out. I actually have respect for NMSU, particularly because I have great respect for Marvin Menzies. Northridge? Riverside? Fullerbrushtown? Uh, no. (And attention, Gaucho, kindly desist from telling us what a solid soccer, baseball or tiddlywinks program they have.) |
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 16, 2012 13:45:38 GMT -8
NMSU was in the Missouri Valley before but left for the PCAA when the MVC dropped football. We are a excellent competitive fit in that conference for basketball and fans would embrace that move in a heartbeat. The only problem is it probably means the end of FBS football which is a huge problem for us. Not that NMSU couldn't become a decent FCS school, but it would mean a big cut in funding from the state legislature (which ultimately means more money going to our evil twin to the north - something that the NMSU admins will not embrace), and it also means no more home football games against UNM or UTEP which are always the biggest home crowd of the year. If we went FCS I think we'd be better off in the Big Sky for all sports. At least then we would have some stability and be able to form some regional rivalries. I am assuming that NMSU will give it a run in FBS independence. unlike Idaho, I think they can last a few years. Going to the Big Sky most likely means you can kiss baseball goodbye, as the BS does not sponsor that sport. You'd have to be an affiliate somewhere else. |
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Post by monty on Aug 16, 2012 13:46:12 GMT -8
Those div 2 schools used to pretend they were big time then, though, p-maniac; now they are going to make you pay travel stipends because they only care if they can bus even though NMSU would indeed be a good add to a league like the Big Lots that in spite of the loser D2 schools there have now added 3 schools with actual basketball arenas. Read what jdgaucho said above - the MVC is a VERY solid mid-major basketball conference and also plays good baseball. I wouldn't mind for a minute being back in a hoops conference with Butler, Wichita State, Northern Iowa, Creighton...all very good hoops programs and even a step up over the WAC of recent years with NMSU, USU, and Nevada. The problem is it leaves football holding the bag. Yea, MVC is a fine conference; I'm just saying that NMSU is someone the Big Lots should go after, but, of course they won't because they might have to get a tune up before driving the bus out there |
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 16, 2012 13:47:15 GMT -8
Those div 2 schools used to pretend they were big time then, though, p-maniac; now they are going to make you pay travel stipends because they only care if they can bus even though NMSU would indeed be a good add to a league like the Big Lots that in spite of the loser D2 schools there have now added 3 schools with actual basketball arenas. This. And the stupidity of that philosophy is unquantifiable. But what the hell, I'll try anyway. Just how much money in tournament credits is the Big Lots losing by never getting more than one team in every year? With Boise joining the BLC will be at 11 for hoops so adding NMSU would make it an even dozen while significantly improving the quality of the league. But would the BLC consider that? Eff no! If that happened, somebody might actually grow the balls to demand that CSUN and UCR - I guess Fullerton, too - build a legit WCC-level gym or get the hell out. I actually have respect for NMSU, particularly because I have great respect for Marvin Menzies. Northridge? Riverside? Fullerbrushtown? Uh, no. (And attention, Gaucho, kindly desist from telling us what a solid soccer, baseball or tiddlywinks program they have.) you do know this topic has evolved into NMSU's options, right? And that I was talking about the MVC? glad you did. carry on |
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