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Post by AztecWilliam on Mar 12, 2012 20:41:00 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 6:54:08 GMT -8
Its a deadend with unsolvable problems.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Mar 13, 2012 8:57:31 GMT -8
The one thing that really bothers me about withdrawing from Afghanistan is the real possibility that the Taliban will take over and once again brutalize the women of that country.
Basically, Afghanistan qualifies as the most miserable excuse for a country on the planet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 10:25:59 GMT -8
I agree with you on the Taliban. It just seems like what we consider help doesn't make sense to the population. There are religious and tribal conflicts that have been going on forever and nobody has been able to solve them. I think we are just going to have accept the fact that there are problems we are not capable of solving regardless of how sad a plight it leaves some groups.  |
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 13, 2012 15:58:09 GMT -8
This place is a quagmire now and it will be when we finally pull out. We have lofty ideals that are not shared by the Afghans. It is not very productive to try to help people who do not see what we are doing as help. Maybe we should just leave a few Special Forces types and use Predator type airplanes to do missions without regard for collateral damage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 16:00:18 GMT -8
This place is a quagmire now and it will be when we finally pull out. We have lofty ideals that are not shared by the Afghans. It is not very productive to try to help people who do not see what we are doing as help. Maybe we should just leave a few Special Forces types and use Predator type airplanes to do missions without regard for collateral damage. I think that's pretty close to what's going to happen. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Mar 13, 2012 17:28:28 GMT -8
I would add that, should the Taliban take over, the U.S. should do everything in its power (short of military action) to thwart that government. No IMF funds, etc. to those bastards.
No more stupid, counterproductive Obama resets. No trying to be nice to them. Let them know that when they want to move from the 9th Century to maybe the 19th we will think about helping them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 18:45:27 GMT -8
Should or when?
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Post by aztec70 on Mar 15, 2012 6:53:29 GMT -8
This place is a quagmire now and it will be when we finally pull out. We have lofty ideals that are not shared by the Afghans. It is not very productive to try to help people who do not see what we are doing as help. Maybe we should just leave a few Special Forces types and use Predator type airplanes to do missions without regard for collateral damage. I agreed with you until you came to part about no regard for innocent lives. How can you think that? |
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Post by aztecron on Mar 15, 2012 15:23:44 GMT -8
I would add that, should the Taliban take over, the U.S. should do everything in its power (short of military action) to thwart that government. No IMF funds, etc. to those bastards. No more stupid, counterproductive Obama resets. No trying to be nice to them. Let them know that when they want to move from the 9th Century to maybe the 19th we will think about helping them. AzWm Right... because the first seven or eight years of this war where handled with great diplomacy and intelligent decision making, right? NOT!Talk about stupid resets? How about just plain stupid period. We had a chance to make substantive change early on, but bailed before implementation so we could go into Iraq. The onus of ineptitude on this war goes to both sides of the political party. Time to get our men and women out of that country, it appears we (the U.S.) and its allies are the only ones fighting for the Afghan people. The people themselves have to want to fight for their own freedoms and rights, we can't proxy for them. |
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 15, 2012 15:25:13 GMT -8
This place is a quagmire now and it will be when we finally pull out. We have lofty ideals that are not shared by the Afghans. It is not very productive to try to help people who do not see what we are doing as help. Maybe we should just leave a few Special Forces types and use Predator type airplanes to do missions without regard for collateral damage. I agreed with you until you came to part about no regard for innocent lives. How can you think that? How can you not when our folks are at risk with crazy rules of engagement? That has got to change and then the risk to Afghans will go down. |
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Post by aztec70 on Mar 15, 2012 20:30:11 GMT -8
I agreed with you until you came to part about no regard for innocent lives. How can you think that? How can you not when our folks are at risk with crazy rules of engagement? That has got to change and then the risk to Afghans will go down. What do you think we are trying to accomplish in Afghanistan? Do you think it can be accomplished if there is no regard for innocent lives? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 4:09:30 GMT -8
Teach them how to play basketball.
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 16, 2012 11:36:29 GMT -8
How can you not when our folks are at risk with crazy rules of engagement? That has got to change and then the risk to Afghans will go down. What do you think we are trying to accomplish in Afghanistan? Do you think it can be accomplished if there is no regard for innocent lives? Who knows what we are trying to accomplish over there with this idiot led administration supporting a corrupt leader in Afghanistan. I see no strategic goal worth wasting American life there now. Your last question is silly on its face. Innocents should have the good sense to stay out of the way and we should conduct any operations without concern for anything but getting the bad guys. Maybe we should use an Agent Orange type herbicide to get the drug crop until they stop growing it. We need Special Forces in limited number on the ground and use air power of all kinds if targets are identified. |
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Post by aztec70 on Mar 18, 2012 10:59:16 GMT -8
What do you think we are trying to accomplish in Afghanistan? Do you think it can be accomplished if there is no regard for innocent lives? Who knows what we are trying to accomplish over there with this idiot led administration supporting a corrupt leader in Afghanistan. I see no strategic goal worth wasting American life there now. Your last question is silly on its face. Innocents should have the good sense to stay out of the way and we should conduct any operations without concern for anything but getting the bad guys. Maybe we should use an Agent Orange type herbicide to get the drug crop until they stop growing it. We need Special Forces in limited number on the ground and use air power of all kinds if targets are identified. When you don't know what the goal is, it is plain stupid to make commentary on how to reach the goal. However, over the years I have come to expect stupid posts from you. |
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 19, 2012 12:16:14 GMT -8
Who knows what we are trying to accomplish over there with this idiot led administration supporting a corrupt leader in Afghanistan. I see no strategic goal worth wasting American life there now. Your last question is silly on its face. Innocents should have the good sense to stay out of the way and we should conduct any operations without concern for anything but getting the bad guys. Maybe we should use an Agent Orange type herbicide to get the drug crop until they stop growing it. We need Special Forces in limited number on the ground and use air power of all kinds if targets are identified. When you don't know what the goal is, it is plain stupid to make commentary on how to reach the goal. However, over the years I have come to expect stupid posts from you. Is silly of you to think that I even said what the goal was. I could have used the "stupid" word back at you. |
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Post by aztec70 on Mar 19, 2012 12:37:31 GMT -8
When you don't know what the goal is, it is plain stupid to make commentary on how to reach the goal. However, over the years I have come to expect stupid posts from you. Is silly of you to think that I even said what the goal was. I could have used the "stupid" word back at you. Pretend I am talking very slowing to you. If you admit you do not know the goal, do not offer suggestions on how to reach the goal. So, please do not say that innocent lives are not important. |
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 19, 2012 17:22:13 GMT -8
Is silly of you to think that I even said what the goal was. I could have used the "stupid" word back at you. Pretend I am talking very slowing to you. If you admit you do not know the goal, do not offer suggestions on how to reach the goal. So, please do not say that innocent lives are not important. If we have no goal, which is pretty much what Obama has given us then we just need to down size to Special Forces and Air Strikes. Ignore co-lateral damage. There may be innocents, but that is the responsibility of the Afghans and the Taliban. Pretty simple, just like your liberal little mind. |
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Post by aztec70 on Mar 20, 2012 8:50:01 GMT -8
Pretend I am talking very slowing to you. If you admit you do not know the goal, do not offer suggestions on how to reach the goal. So, please do not say that innocent lives are not important. If we have no goal, which is pretty much what Obama has given us then we just need to down size to Special Forces and Air Strikes. Ignore co-lateral damage. There may be innocents, but that is the responsibility of the Afghans and the Taliban. Pretty simple, just like your liberal little mind. It is not that there is no goal. It is that you have admitted you do not know what it is.  |
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 21, 2012 13:02:56 GMT -8
If we have no goal, which is pretty much what Obama has given us then we just need to down size to Special Forces and Air Strikes. Ignore co-lateral damage. There may be innocents, but that is the responsibility of the Afghans and the Taliban. Pretty simple, just like your liberal little mind. It is not that there is no goal. It is that you have admitted you do not know what it is. You tell me what our goal is. Do a search on these (goals Afghanistan Obama) or similar terms and you see what muddled mess Obama and his administration has let things deteriorate into. |
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