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Post by texasaztec on Feb 11, 2012 9:38:39 GMT -8
I haven't really gotten into recruiting until this year for basketball, so I'm kinda ignorant about how it all goes down. For those of you that know (and obviously there is a lot of excellent insight on this forum about the recruitment process) what are the things that coaches look for in a recruit? Why does SDSU go after a Winston Shephard, but not a Shubazz Muhammed? Why do we not pull the trigger and offer Anthony January right now? HOW is his game not as good (I'm assuming that is the reason) over Shephard? When we evaluate talent and whatever else, what is at the top of the list and what falls down more to the bottom?
I'm looking to be taught. Thanks for your input!
Go Aztecs!
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Post by Old School on Feb 11, 2012 9:47:51 GMT -8
Long, athletic, defensive minded, good character, team-player, unselfish and shouldn't be allergic to books.
Oldie Out
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Post by ciabounce on Feb 11, 2012 9:47:54 GMT -8
First of all we did recruit Shabazz and offered him as a freshman, but once a player isn't really showing interest back its time to move on.
There are 3 things that really seperate Shepard from January: 1. His passing Shepard is an elite passer, he has such a good feel for the game and makes pin point passes like a point guard, January on the other hand is an average wing passer at best. 2. His defense Shepard is arguably the best defender in all of high school basketball he slowed down Shabazz Muhummad and Jabari Parker both the number 1 players in their classes. 3. Attitude/grades I am not sure if January's grades really are on track, you have to take a players comment like his as a grain of a salt. Also there are some worries about January off the court and playing a bit selfish on the court. January is a very good prospect in my opinion should be in top 100, but Shepard is a better prospect on and off the floor.
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Post by asustal on Feb 11, 2012 12:16:03 GMT -8
I also believe the coach's philosophy has a lot to do with it. Steve Fisher and Jerry Tarkanian seem to share the same philosophy. Tark said it himself. He said whenever he played the likes of Duke or North Carolina their entire team, from starters to bench players was a who's who of high school all-americans. The reality is that the blue bloods get most of players with acclaim. That said, both Tark and Fish love players with athleticism and play defense. Because of the Aztec's recent success, we are now able to compete for some of the elite players, but most opt for high profile programs. Fisher's real success came from "bounce backs," players tranferring in from other programs. These were highly touted players who left elite programs for more playing time, to play closer to home, or didn't mesh with their former coach. Here are a list of "bounce backs" who have really contributed to the Aztecs success:
Randy Holcombe - Fresno State
Tony Bland - Syracuse
DeAndre Moore - Vanderbilt
Evan Burn - UCLA and McDonalds All-American
Lorenzo Wade - Louisville
Xavier Thames - Washington State
JJ O'Brien - Utah
Dwayne Polee - St. Johns
James Johnson - Virginia
I left out some "bounce backs" because they came from less pretigous programs (or I just plain forgot them), but you get the gist. SDSU built its success on the backs of the aforementioned players. Fisher knows where his bread is buttered. That's why we can now, "win, win, win. cut down nets!"
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Post by localsonly on Feb 12, 2012 13:11:02 GMT -8
Long, athletic, defensive minded, good character, team-player, unselfish and shouldn't be allergic to books. Oldie Out good list, I'd add, having a thick skin for dumb remarks on boards such as this helps. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2012 17:18:19 GMT -8
At a clinic 30 + years ago when Bobby Knight was asked the same question his answer was- I want a kid so competitive the he will come in first and second in a circle j---k.
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Post by rmksdsu30 on Feb 12, 2012 19:17:44 GMT -8
abukar shelly and thomas
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2012 20:54:48 GMT -8
If I were a head coach this is how I would do.
1.) Ability
It doesn’t matter what level or what sport but the number one thing that a coach looks for in a potential athlete is their ability in that sport. You must recruit the best athletes they can, because that is the only way to stay in your job. This ability trumps every other thing on this list, there is no doubt about that. Why do you think people with question character and bad grades still end up at some of the best schools in the country? It is because they can flat out play and have what it takes to be successful at that level. Many coaches will take that gamble. I would do the same to a point.
2.) Character
While many coaches will over look character, it is only to a certain point, so in the recruiting process it still can be something that could make or break it for a kid. I think of it like this, coaches are almost like private investigators and try to find out as much information as possible about a potential recruit. The coach will talk to the high school coach, any other coaches that they have, teachers, administrators, and people in the community to get a feel for what type of person you are. I knew an assistant coach at a college who talked to the neighbors and people at his church. If a player is a trouble maker, that honestly does hurt his chances of being a scholarship athlete. Coaches do not want to recruit a kid who will bring trouble to their school so it may be something that they eventually look away from. Coaches want to be able to recruit high quality kids that help them sleep at night (so coaches who don't have any morals sleep just fine though.). They would prefer not to worry about who is in trouble at 3 AM on a Saturday night. But as shown by many schools in the SEC, ability does trump character.
3.) Work Ethic
A good story I heard once regarding work ethic came from a Division I basketball coach. We were talking about why they offered a certain athlete a scholarship. This athlete was a player from a very small school but was a talented basketball player who had some major size. The college coach knew he was good but what was the tipping point to offer the scholarship? It was when talking with people around the school, he heard that the athlete came in every morning at 6 AM to lift weights. As a high school athlete with other priorities, coming in every day that early really shows something about the type of person they are and how badly they want to succeed. Who wouldn’t have wanted to get an extra hour of sleep and not worry about being sore the next day? That work ethic helped this player be a three year starter and be named All Conference in the Big 12. Not bad considering his level of high school was the smallest in a state that is not considered a basketball powerhouse.
4.) Grades
Grades are an essential factor in the college game, especially in the last few years with scholarships being taken away if the graduation rate slips to a certain percentage for the school. The pay of college coaches are sometimes tied in to the graduation rate so that means it is even more important when it is affecting the bottom line (I call this the Nolan Richardson rule). While it doesn’t always mean it, having good grades does imply at times that a player has a strong character. And that is another essential factor in what college coaches will be looking for at the next level.
5.) Family
I will be completely honest I firmly believe that the first four on this list are very important to the college recruiting process. But the fifth thing is something I am a little less confident. Maybe I should have changed the list to four factors, but I also find it important to talk about family. A college coach wants a family who is supportive of the program, the coaches, and the school itself. Here is a quick example of parents turning off a potential college coach. A college assistant coach attended a high school basketball game to see a kid. Afterwards, the coach waiting to talk to the high school head coach. While waiting, he saw a parent berate an assistant coach for not getting her son enough touches on the basketball court. I may not have said it before but the game ended with their team winning by a large margin. Instead of being happy for the team, she was mad her son didn’t get enough shots. The next day, the college coach called and said that he would no longer be recruiting this player. That shows that having a over anxious family can hurt the recruiting process.
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Post by AztecTom on Feb 12, 2012 21:22:46 GMT -8
If I were a head coach this is how I would do. 1.) Ability It doesn’t matter what level or what sport but the number one thing that a coach looks for in a potential athlete is their ability in that sport. You must recruit the best athletes they can, because that is the only way to stay in your job. This ability trumps every other thing on this list, there is no doubt about that. Why do you think people with question character and bad grades still end up at some of the best schools in the country? It is because they can flat out play and have what it takes to be successful at that level. Many coaches will take that gamble. I would do the same to a point. 2.) Character While many coaches will over look character, it is only to a certain point, so in the recruiting process it still can be something that could make or break it for a kid. I think of it like this, coaches are almost like private investigators and try to find out as much information as possible about a potential recruit. The coach will talk to the high school coach, any other coaches that they have, teachers, administrators, and people in the community to get a feel for what type of person you are. I knew an assistant coach at a college who talked to the neighbors and people at his church. If a player is a trouble maker, that honestly does hurt his chances of being a scholarship athlete. Coaches do not want to recruit a kid who will bring trouble to their school so it may be something that they eventually look away from. Coaches want to be able to recruit high quality kids that help them sleep at night (so coaches who don't have any morals sleep just fine though.). They would prefer not to worry about who is in trouble at 3 AM on a Saturday night. But as shown by many schools in the SEC, ability does trump character. 3.) Work Ethic A good story I heard once regarding work ethic came from a Division I basketball coach. We were talking about why they offered a certain athlete a scholarship. This athlete was a player from a very small school but was a talented basketball player who had some major size. The college coach knew he was good but what was the tipping point to offer the scholarship? It was when talking with people around the school, he heard that the athlete came in every morning at 6 AM to lift weights. As a high school athlete with other priorities, coming in every day that early really shows something about the type of person they are and how badly they want to succeed. Who wouldn’t have wanted to get an extra hour of sleep and not worry about being sore the next day? That work ethic helped this player be a three year starter and be named All Conference in the Big 12. Not bad considering his level of high school was the smallest in a state that is not considered a basketball powerhouse. 4.) Grades Grades are an essential factor in the college game, especially in the last few years with scholarships being taken away if the graduation rate slips to a certain percentage for the school. The pay of college coaches are sometimes tied in to the graduation rate so that means it is even more important when it is affecting the bottom line (I call this the Nolan Richardson rule). While it doesn’t always mean it, having good grades does imply at times that a player has a strong character. And that is another essential factor in what college coaches will be looking for at the next level. 5.) Family I will be completely honest I firmly believe that the first four on this list are very important to the college recruiting process. But the fifth thing is something I am a little less confident. Maybe I should have changed the list to four factors, but I also find it important to talk about family. A college coach wants a family who is supportive of the program, the coaches, and the school itself. Here is a quick example of parents turning off a potential college coach. A college assistant coach attended a high school basketball game to see a kid. Afterwards, the coach waiting to talk to the high school head coach. While waiting, he saw a parent berate an assistant coach for not getting her son enough touches on the basketball court. I may not have said it before but the game ended with their team winning by a large margin. Instead of being happy for the team, she was mad her son didn’t get enough shots. The next day, the college coach called and said that he would no longer be recruiting this player. That shows that having a over anxious family can hurt the recruiting process. Bekays nails it and hits it out of the park! |
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Post by MarshallU on Feb 13, 2012 9:04:14 GMT -8
Long, athletic, defensive minded, good character, team-player, unselfish and shouldn't be allergic to books. Oldie Out good list, I'd add, having a thick skin for dumb remarks on boards such as this helps. LMAO!!! exactly!!! |
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Post by tuff on Feb 13, 2012 9:09:35 GMT -8
If I were a head coach this is how I would do. 1.) Ability It doesn’t matter what level or what sport but the number one thing that a coach looks for in a potential athlete is their ability in that sport. You must recruit the best athletes they can, because that is the only way to stay in your job. This ability trumps every other thing on this list, there is no doubt about that. Why do you think people with question character and bad grades still end up at some of the best schools in the country? It is because they can flat out play and have what it takes to be successful at that level. Many coaches will take that gamble. I would do the same to a point. 2.) Character While many coaches will over look character, it is only to a certain point, so in the recruiting process it still can be something that could make or break it for a kid. I think of it like this, coaches are almost like private investigators and try to find out as much information as possible about a potential recruit. The coach will talk to the high school coach, any other coaches that they have, teachers, administrators, and people in the community to get a feel for what type of person you are. I knew an assistant coach at a college who talked to the neighbors and people at his church. If a player is a trouble maker, that honestly does hurt his chances of being a scholarship athlete. Coaches do not want to recruit a kid who will bring trouble to their school so it may be something that they eventually look away from. Coaches want to be able to recruit high quality kids that help them sleep at night (so coaches who don't have any morals sleep just fine though.). They would prefer not to worry about who is in trouble at 3 AM on a Saturday night. But as shown by many schools in the SEC, ability does trump character. 3.) Work Ethic A good story I heard once regarding work ethic came from a Division I basketball coach. We were talking about why they offered a certain athlete a scholarship. This athlete was a player from a very small school but was a talented basketball player who had some major size. The college coach knew he was good but what was the tipping point to offer the scholarship? It was when talking with people around the school, he heard that the athlete came in every morning at 6 AM to lift weights. As a high school athlete with other priorities, coming in every day that early really shows something about the type of person they are and how badly they want to succeed. Who wouldn’t have wanted to get an extra hour of sleep and not worry about being sore the next day? That work ethic helped this player be a three year starter and be named All Conference in the Big 12. Not bad considering his level of high school was the smallest in a state that is not considered a basketball powerhouse. 4.) Grades Grades are an essential factor in the college game, especially in the last few years with scholarships being taken away if the graduation rate slips to a certain percentage for the school. The pay of college coaches are sometimes tied in to the graduation rate so that means it is even more important when it is affecting the bottom line (I call this the Nolan Richardson rule). While it doesn’t always mean it, having good grades does imply at times that a player has a strong character. And that is another essential factor in what college coaches will be looking for at the next level. 5.) Family I will be completely honest I firmly believe that the first four on this list are very important to the college recruiting process. But the fifth thing is something I am a little less confident. Maybe I should have changed the list to four factors, but I also find it important to talk about family. A college coach wants a family who is supportive of the program, the coaches, and the school itself. Here is a quick example of parents turning off a potential college coach. A college assistant coach attended a high school basketball game to see a kid. Afterwards, the coach waiting to talk to the high school head coach. While waiting, he saw a parent berate an assistant coach for not getting her son enough touches on the basketball court. I may not have said it before but the game ended with their team winning by a large margin. Instead of being happy for the team, she was mad her son didn’t get enough shots. The next day, the college coach called and said that he would no longer be recruiting this player. That shows that having a over anxious family can hurt the recruiting process. Excellent. Spot on IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2012 9:27:36 GMT -8
Bekays attributes seem very close to what I feel like Fisher is looking for. Especially the top two. I have been amazed over the years how much character his players have. They are also outstanding when being interviewed. He really does get all around quality players.
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