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Post by AztecBill on Aug 12, 2010 10:07:28 GMT -8
As we were having dinner near the ball park last night, someone at an adjacent table asked who is the Padres 2nd worst reliever. It was an interesting question because it points out how strong the bullpen really is.
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Post by joshjones1 on Aug 12, 2010 16:58:24 GMT -8
I'd say it was Webb/Mujica 1 and 2.....but there may be a name in the pen I am missing. Gregerson, Adams, Frieri, Bell, Mujica, Webb (until he got demoted), Stauffer, Thatcher.....  |
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Post by joshjones1 on Aug 12, 2010 18:57:05 GMT -8
As we were having dinner near the ball park last night, someone at an adjacent table asked who is the Padres 2nd worst reliever. It was an interesting question because it points out how strong the bullpen really is. I'm still not totally sold on the bullpen, don't think it'll hold. No doubt it was historically effective during the first half though. It's been good for a couple years now....at least the core of it. You can't expect nothing but lockdown from April thru October, even from "The Nasty Boys". Like I heard a scout tell it once...."thats why theyre relievers". A bullpen is a fickle thing. We got the best in the league though, no question in my mind. And the best pitching coach in Balsley. |
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 13, 2010 9:52:54 GMT -8
I'd say it was Webb/Mujica 1 and 2.....but there may be a name in the pen I am missing. Gregerson, Adams, Frieri, Bell, Mujica, Webb (until he got demoted), Stauffer, Thatcher..... Webb is in Portland. The Padres non-Mujica relivers areGregerson Adams Bell Frieri Stauffer Thatcher |
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Post by joshjones1 on Aug 13, 2010 10:14:29 GMT -8
I'd say it was Webb/Mujica 1 and 2.....but there may be a name in the pen I am missing. Gregerson, Adams, Frieri, Bell, Mujica, Webb (until he got demoted), Stauffer, Thatcher..... Webb is in Portland. The Padres non-Mujica relivers areGregerson Adams Bell Frieri Stauffer Thatcher Uh, yea. Thats why I said "until he got demoted". I was thinking of so far THIS season. |
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 13, 2010 10:21:25 GMT -8
As we were having dinner near the ball park last night, someone at an adjacent table asked who is the Padres 2nd worst reliever. It was an interesting question because it points out how strong the bullpen really is. I'm still not totally sold on the bullpen, don't think it'll hold. No doubt it was historically effective during the first half though. What relievers are you sold on (in all baseball)? After 2008, it is hard to really say definitively that the bullpen will be good next year even with the same guys. | Player | 2007 ERA | 2007 Games | 2008 ERA | 2008 Games | Difference | | Trevor Hoffman | 2.98 | 61 | 3.77 | 48 | -0.79 | | Heath Bell | 2.02 | 81 | 3.58 | 74 | -1.56 | | Cla Meredith | 3.50 | 80 | 4.09 | 73 | -0.59 | | Doug Brocail | 3.05 | 67 | N/A | N/A | N/A | | Kevin Cameron | 2.79 | 48 | 3.6 | 10 | -0.81 | | Justin Hampson | 2.70 | 39 | 2.93 | 35 | -0.23 | | Scott Linebrink | 3.80 | 44 | N/A | N/A | N/A | | Joe Thatcher | 1.29 | 22 | 8.42 | 25 | -7.13 | | Royce Ring | 3.60 | 15 | N/A | N/A | N/A | | Mike Adams | N/A | N/A | 2.48 | 54 | N/A | | Bryan Corey | N/A | N/A | 6.23 | 39 | N/A | | Clay Hensley | N/A | N/A | 5.31 | 32 | N/A |
We kept 6 bullpen arms from 2007 for the 2008 season. As a group they made a pretty darn good bullpen in 2007. Every one of them regressed in 2008. |
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 13, 2010 10:28:15 GMT -8
Webb is in Portland. The Padres non-Mujica relivers areGregerson Adams Bell Frieri Stauffer Thatcher Uh, yea. Thats why I said "until he got demoted". I was thinking of so far THIS season. The point of the question was that as constituted now the bullpen has Mujica as a mop up guy but everyone else we throw out there is super solid. Mujica is probably the best "worst bullpen guy" in baseball. Given who is in the pen now, I would have to say Frieri. ERA-wise it would be Gregerson (2.41). So far this season? How about Sean Gallagher or Cesar Ramos  |
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Post by joshjones1 on Aug 13, 2010 10:36:26 GMT -8
Maybe Gregerson. He's struggled some lately.
Thatcher doesn't get as much pub, but has been dominant.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 13, 2010 10:45:46 GMT -8
Maybe Gregerson. He's struggled some lately. Thatcher doesn't get as much pub, but has been dominant. Gregerson since July 9th: 14 games, 14 innings, 0.64 ERA, 0.88 WHIP, 16 K. It is a no win question. It is like trying to decide which playboy playmate is the ugliest. Note: Gregerson did have 4 consecutive appearances in which he gave up runs from July 1 - July 9. Since then (and before then) he has been great, as shown above. |
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 13, 2010 11:02:14 GMT -8
Maybe Gregerson. He's struggled some lately. Thatcher doesn't get as much pub, but has been dominant. Gregerson since July 9th: 14 games, 14 innings, 0.64 ERA, 0.88 WHIP, 16 K. It is a no win question. It is like trying to decide which playboy playmate is the ugliest. Note: Gregerson did have 4 consecutive appearances in which he gave up runs from July 1 - July 9. Since then (and before then) he has been great, as shown above. Now that I look at it again, he has been a little off in his last 4 games. In his last 4 he has given up 7 hits and only had 2 strikeouts. In the 9 games before that he gave up 2 hits and had 13 strikeouts. |
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Post by aztecron on Aug 13, 2010 13:41:07 GMT -8
I thought it was Webb myself. Even thought the kid throws a 96 MPH sinker, he still reminded me of Cla Merideth.
When we would need a strikeout both Webb and Meredith would give up a single to score runs on another pitchers record (inheredited runners.)
Bill, you may show me I'm wrong statistically, but I felt as if Webb should've been brought in with no runners on, or a runner on first, at the worst.
When he came in with runners in scoring position it seemed he couldn't get the strikeout at the moment, and would give up a single to hurt us.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 13, 2010 14:35:33 GMT -8
I thought it was Webb myself. Even thought the kid throws a 96 MPH sinker, he still reminded me of Cla Merideth. When we would need a strikeout both Webb and Meredith would give up a single to score runs on another pitchers record (inherited runners.) Bill, you may show me I'm wrong statistically, but I felt as if Webb should've been brought in with no runners on, or a runner on first, at the worst. When he came in with runners in scoring position it seemed he couldn't get the strikeout at the moment, and would give up a single to hurt us. Again, Webb is not on the team right now. If he were I wouldn't ask the question because he would be the obvious answer. | Player | Inherited Runners | Inherited Runners Scored | | Webb | 18 | 6 | | Gregerson | 18 | 5 | | Adams | 2 | 1 | | Thatcher | 27 | 1 | | Frieri | 5 | 3 | | Stauffer | 7 | 0 | | Mujica | 14 | 3 | | Bell | 4 | 0 |
Thatcher's 27 chances to stop other pitchers runners from scoring and only allowing one to score has kept a lot of Padres pitchers' ERA low. It is interesting that Gregerson hasn't been so good at that and Adams hasn't been given the chance. |
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Post by aztecron on Aug 13, 2010 17:56:05 GMT -8
Aah my bad. ;D
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