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Post by aztec05 on Aug 10, 2010 10:00:16 GMT -8
Why isn't their more hype about this kid? I think he's got the size and the tools to make and impact immediately.
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Post by laaztec on Aug 10, 2010 10:03:01 GMT -8
Because the RB position is stacked. For a true Freshman to make and impact he has to be special.
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Post by Old School on Aug 10, 2010 10:29:29 GMT -8
Yeah, like Marshall Faulk-ish kind of special.
Kids like that come by once in a lifetime sometimes.
Oldie Out
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Post by dshawfan on Aug 10, 2010 10:53:56 GMT -8
As I have been a big Ruffin fan since seeing his tape, figured I ought to explain my preferences of Ruffin to Garrett. Please keep in mind I am just looking at them and their running ability. I am not looking at their ability to catch passes or pick up blitzes etc. Now all I have to go on are the 2 You Tube tapes that most of us have watched and as Ruffin's is shot with a much tighter shot it is easier to see his skills. www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5PsBWDiLoUI like everything Garrett brings to the table. He's got size and speed. I love the way he sticks his foot in the ground and turns it up, and he doesn't seem to be afraid to stick his head in there either. I have to think that Hoke appreciates that as well. Nothing to not like about him. I see him more as a slashing runner between the tackles or just off tackle as opposed to a take it to the house back. www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vMb03dwSXAHere is what I prefer about Ruffin. I love his ability to go from zero to top speed in a few strides. I like his feet in the hole, he seems to have quick feet and good vision at the LOS to make those little moves that make the difference between being tripped up and busting the big one. To me, Ruffin just has a little more wiggle in him, a back who can give you the hip and then take it away. I haven't seen that in Garrett yet. Doesn't mean he doesn't have it, I just haven't seen it yet. Now can Ruffin run between the tackles? Will he stick his head in there on 3rd and 2? I really like what this staff has done at this position. The competition should be fierce. Looking forward to seeing both these young men flourish as Aztecs. |
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Post by pokinsky on Aug 10, 2010 10:54:12 GMT -8
Why isn't their more hype about this kid? I think he's got the size and the tools to make and impact immediately. Neither his size nor tools appear to be really outstanding? I understand a 40 time can be completely overrated but you have to have speed to succeed at this level. He's only listed at 6'0 180 and scout and yahoo timed his 40 at 4.65 and 4.7 which is kinda slow for a LB but terrible for a RB. With a 40 time that slow you better be a bruising back closer to 220lbs that is hard to take down or you're not getting past the line of scrimmage. The espn video shows him getting chased down by high schools LB's over and over again. And it sounds like Ezell Ruffin is going to run the ball some and is bigger 6'1 190 and ran a 4.4 40. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2010 11:03:01 GMT -8
He's only listed at 6'0 180 and scout and yahoo timed his 40 at 4.65 and 4.7 which is kinda slow for a LB but terrible for a RB. So can we conclude that your opinion of him differs just a bit from DShawFan's?  |
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Post by aztecron on Aug 10, 2010 11:15:25 GMT -8
The espn video shows him getting chased down by high schools LB's over and over again. And it sounds like Ezell Ruffin is going to run the ball some and is bigger 6'1 190 and ran a 4.4 40. Not saying you're wrong but his Youtube clips show him taking it to the house many times. I don't remember seeing him caught from behind. Now, of course youtube clips are made and posted by those folks favorable to him, so maybe all I've seen are some sort of "glory" clips. |
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Post by pokinsky on Aug 10, 2010 11:29:04 GMT -8
The espn video shows him getting chased down by high schools LB's over and over again. And it sounds like Ezell Ruffin is going to run the ball some and is bigger 6'1 190 and ran a 4.4 40. Not saying you're wrong but his Youtube clips show him taking it to the house many times. I don't remember seeing him caught from behind. Now, of course youtube clips are made and posted by those folks favorable to him, so maybe all I've seen are some sort of "glory" clips. I only watched his espn highlights which aren't really favorable and shows his best run only being about 10 yards. It shows him hit the hole and go down a few yards later. He has one or two decent runs but mainly because the tackling is horrible. I'm basically just going by 10 minutes of research that showed someone who couldn't get around the outside or blow past LB's on long runs ... and then after looking at his 4.7 40 time I assumed that was why. Based on measureables alone (which rarely defines a football player) Ruffin seems to have better size and much more explosive speed. |
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Post by dshawfan on Aug 10, 2010 11:38:01 GMT -8
He's only listed at 6'0 180 and scout and yahoo timed his 40 at 4.65 and 4.7 which is kinda slow for a LB but terrible for a RB. So can we conclude that your opinion of him differs just a bit from DShawFan's? I don't think we are that different. He may a bit more direct in his remarks, but neither of us see Garrett as having the big play ability that Ruffin appears to have. We just say it in different ways. I have not see the ESPN clips, so I have not seen him run down by anyone as of yet. Let me find those and see what they show. |
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Post by SD Johnny on Aug 10, 2010 11:39:25 GMT -8
Garrett is a stud. I don't care what his 40 time is listed at, he has plenty of speed to be a runningback at this level. He may be the better player than Ruffin when all is said and done but the reason he will probably redshirt and Ruffin won't is that Ruffin gives us something we haven't had in about a decade...break away speed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2010 11:43:03 GMT -8
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Post by nebraztec on Aug 10, 2010 11:56:12 GMT -8
I went to the on campus signing day event put on by the coaching staff. This kid looked really, really, really good at that film session!!!
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Post by backwhenaztec on Aug 10, 2010 11:59:15 GMT -8
I believe those ESPN clips are from his Soph season in AZ.. His youtube clips are of his JR n Sr years and he doesnt seem to get caught at all, not once...
Has anyone even seen Garrett at practice is my deal... Reports have stated that Ruffin is #34.... What number is Garrett practicing in?
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Post by pokinsky on Aug 10, 2010 12:24:20 GMT -8
If those highlights are of him during his soph year then they're absolutely misleading of who he is now. However, if you look at his maxprep stats of his senior year he had monster games with at least one breakaway run in each game .. until the playoffs when he went against solid competition and barely averaged 3 yards per carry. Did they stack the line or was the speed of the opponents better than the other games? www.maxpreps.com/athletes/ZRBaG5azUkGL833NUEA_kg/football-fall-08/stats-dwayne-garrett.htm |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2010 12:45:47 GMT -8
He really only got shut down twice... against the same team each time. Saguaro High School, who went undefeated and basically routed every team they played, which could have something to do with it. I dont pretend to follow football much, but found it interesting that Saguaro shut him down two times but Garrett basically ran the table against everyone else. Maybe they did stack the line, or maybe they just had a ton of talent at the D Line and Linebacker positions. Either way, it is interesting to me that the same team stuffed his running game. Could Pokinsky be right... maybe he doesnt have the speed against top teir teams/talent? Maybe Saguaro just had too much defensive talent for his own team's O-line, etc to handle. www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/th1kCG6l6UmZLYtB_Rf8Wg/saguaro-sabercats/football-fall-08/schedule.htmIf those highlights are of him during his soph year then they're absolutely misleading of who he is now. However, if you look at his maxprep stats of his senior year he had monster games with at least one breakaway run in each game .. until the playoffs when he went against solid competition and barely averaged 3 yards per carry. Did they stack the line or was the speed of the opponents better than the other games? www.maxpreps.com/athletes/ZRBaG5azUkGL833NUEA_kg/football-fall-08/stats-dwayne-garrett.htm |
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Post by monty on Aug 10, 2010 13:08:34 GMT -8
I am not looking at their ability to catch passes or pick up blitzes etc. Frankly, where we are with this line and team, which one can do one or both of these best will get the most PT, same is true for Hillman and Kazee. Backs will have to block and/or be release valves |
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Post by ron on Aug 10, 2010 16:49:42 GMT -8
Let's wait and see what Garrett's football speed is. Last year Anthony Miller came in with a listed 4.5 40 time, but he didn't look quick or fast on the field. It wasn't all poor blocking either.
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Post by zachattack on Aug 10, 2010 17:33:00 GMT -8
Because the RB position is stacked. For a true Freshman to make and impact he has to be special. Based on the last several years, and until I see otherwise, I can not see calling the RB position stacked. I hope this year changes my mind. |
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