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Post by monty on Aug 8, 2010 7:53:13 GMT -8
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Post by rickdoerr on Aug 8, 2010 8:24:21 GMT -8
BTW, has anyone seen a camp schedule yet?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2010 9:17:39 GMT -8
Not a single new thing here One maybe. It's says the former staff built the offensive line not to run block but to pass protect. If that's true, it's news to me. |
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Post by monty on Aug 8, 2010 10:14:19 GMT -8
Not a single new thing here One maybe. It's says the former staff built the offensive line not to run block but to pass protect. If that's true, it's news to me. It could be assumed that was what they were doing, and, they were decent pass blockers, not great as they needed tight ends and Sullivan staying in or chipping, but serviceable. Maybe a better construct he should have used is constructed to pass block 2/3 of the time and zone block the run with that f'n spread the last two guys ran |
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Post by vision on Aug 8, 2010 10:18:24 GMT -8
i am excited. Even though there isn't much really good news here.
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Post by Old School on Aug 8, 2010 10:47:01 GMT -8
Early injuries to veterans mean that the youngsters will get their chance to shine sooner than expected.
I think that was part of the selling point to coming here, a good chance at getting to play almost immediately.
Oldie Out
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Post by aztech on Aug 8, 2010 11:01:35 GMT -8
One maybe. It's says the former staff built the offensive line not to run block but to pass protect. If that's true, it's news to me. I think the question that needs to be answered is whether they can run block despite being stronger and more streamlined. They were able to get away with being fat and weak since pass blocking is easier. Now they may be too light to pass block and still too slow for run blocking. Hopefully they have that gear within them that may surprise us. |
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Post by monty on Aug 8, 2010 11:27:56 GMT -8
One maybe. It's says the former staff built the offensive line not to run block but to pass protect. If that's true, it's news to me. I think the question that needs to be answered is whether they can run block despite being stronger and more streamlined. They were able to get away with being fat and weak since pass blocking is easier. Now they may be too light to pass block and still too slow for run blocking. Hopefully they have that gear within them that may surprise us. Pass blocking is easier if you have a safety net with max protect, if not it requires a hell of a lot of technique and athleticism, it is like a corner being in zone versus man to man.They pulled a lot at the end of the year, I think that is part of the reason to drill-in dropping the flab. We'll likely pull a lot and replace those guys with down blocks, double team/combo the point of attack and lead or kick out with a full back, the line is very important, but the backs equally so: can sullivan and the big h-back block linebackers and ends and can hillman and kazee run tough? All 6-8 backs, lineman and tight ends have to get better at it. |
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Post by mojo on Aug 8, 2010 11:32:03 GMT -8
One maybe. It's says the former staff built the offensive line not to run block but to pass protect. If that's true, it's news to me. I think the question that needs to be answered is whether they can run block despite being stronger and more streamlined. They were able to get away with being fat and weak since pass blocking is easier. Now they may be too light to pass block and still too slow for run blocking. Hopefully they have that gear within them that may surprise us. As Eisenhower once said, it's not how big the dog is in the fight, but how big the fight is in the dog! Good blocking is part frame of mind, as well. There is a nastiness that's part of effective blocking. Maybe w/ the better conditioning comes a confidence and toughness/nastiness. We'll soon see how inspired the O-line is! |
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Post by aztech on Aug 8, 2010 14:55:24 GMT -8
As Eisenhower once said, it's not how big the dog is in the fight, but how big the fight is in the dog! Good blocking is part frame of mind, as well. There is a nastiness that's part of effective blocking. Maybe w/ the better conditioning comes a confidence and toughness/nastiness. We'll soon see how inspired the O-line is! To add to my above post, Hoke is after all a line guy so I think he's also going to make sure they get taught proper blocking technique. That I feel was sorely lacking with Chuck's line coach who came out of the high school ranks, if I recall. Big difference. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Aug 8, 2010 15:07:52 GMT -8
As Eisenhower once said, it's not how big the dog is in the fight, but how big the fight is in the dog! Good blocking is part frame of mind, as well. There is a nastiness that's part of effective blocking. Maybe w/ the better conditioning comes a confidence and toughness/nastiness. We'll soon see how inspired the O-line is! To add to my above post, Hoke is after all a line guy so I think he's also going to make sure they get taught proper blocking technique. That I feel was sorely lacking with Chuck's line coach who came out of the high school ranks, if I recall. Big difference. Jonathan Himebauch was young, but he was a USC lineman and had experience at UNLV as a Grad Assistant and some CFL experience as well. He was a good recruiter and is back coaching the OL in CFL with the Alouettes. I believe the failing was the philosophy of the scheme not so much the talent. |
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Post by aztech on Aug 8, 2010 15:29:32 GMT -8
To add to my above post, Hoke is after all a line guy so I think he's also going to make sure they get taught proper blocking technique. That I feel was sorely lacking with Chuck's line coach who came out of the high school ranks, if I recall. Big difference. Jonathan Himebauch was young, but he was a USC lineman and had experience at UNLV as a Grad Assistant and some CFL experience as well. He was a good recruiter and is back coaching the OL in CFL with the Alouettes. I believe the failing was the philosophy of the scheme not so much the talent. All schemes have running plays. |
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Post by aztech on Aug 8, 2010 15:34:05 GMT -8
To add to my above post, Hoke is after all a line guy so I think he's also going to make sure they get taught proper blocking technique. That I feel was sorely lacking with Chuck's line coach who came out of the high school ranks, if I recall. Big difference. Jonathan Himebauch was young, but he was a USC lineman and had experience at UNLV as a Grad Assistant and some CFL experience as well. He was a good recruiter and is back coaching the OL in CFL with the Alouettes. I believe the failing was the philosophy of the scheme not so much the talent. Every scheme has running plays. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2010 15:40:28 GMT -8
I'll just say this about Himebauch. Besides him, LeCharls McDaniel and Toby Neinas, most of the position coaches who worked for Chuck were greatly lacking in the recruiting area. At least to my knowledge, one or two of them failed to bring in anybody. Hence he wasn't shown the door after Chuck's second year like a couple of those clowns were.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Aug 8, 2010 15:41:33 GMT -8
Jonathan Himebauch was young, but he was a USC lineman and had experience at UNLV as a Grad Assistant and some CFL experience as well. He was a good recruiter and is back coaching the OL in CFL with the Alouettes. I believe the failing was the philosophy of the scheme not so much the talent. All schemes have running plays. Really? |
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Post by monty on Aug 8, 2010 17:06:40 GMT -8
Jonathan Himebauch was young, but he was a USC lineman and had experience at UNLV as a Grad Assistant and some CFL experience as well. He was a good recruiter and is back coaching the OL in CFL with the Alouettes. I believe the failing was the philosophy of the scheme not so much the talent. All schemes have running plays. And disparate different blocking schemes. Oline isn't just sit there and be fat, there is a lot of strategy and amongst the most technique'd positions on the field. They were bringing in and coaching guys to pass block, and pass block in basically the run and shoot, and when we run the ball using zone blocking schemes. This offense, a pro-set, is going to be more power-Os and Gs (offside and on-side guard), sweeps with counter trey (ofIfside guard and tackle), G-O sweeps, with more full backs (which we had nil) that means Isos and powers and counters. It is a totally different change in philosophy between taking the man where he wants to go and replacing a pulling guard and combo blocking to the next level. Would it be an adjustment taking a QB out of the triple option and putting him in shot gun? |
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Post by aztech on Aug 8, 2010 17:21:38 GMT -8
All schemes have running plays. And disparate different blocking schemes. Oline isn't just sit there and be fat, there is a lot of strategy and amongst the most technique'd positions on the field. They were bringing in and coaching guys to pass block, and pass block in basically the run and shoot, and when we run the ball using zone blocking schemes. This offense, a pro-set, is going to be more power-Os and Gs (offside and on-side guard), sweeps with counter trey (ofIfside guard and tackle), G-O sweeps, with more full backs (which we had nil) that means Isos and powers and counters. It is a totally different change in philosophy between taking the man where he wants to go and replacing a pulling guard and combo blocking to the next level. Would it be an adjustment taking a QB out of the triple option and putting him in shot gun? I didn't realize you're a coach. Bring on more Xs and Os, it sounds interesting. |
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Post by gettough on Aug 8, 2010 19:50:37 GMT -8
And disparate different blocking schemes. Oline isn't just sit there and be fat, there is a lot of strategy and amongst the most technique'd positions on the field. They were bringing in and coaching guys to pass block, and pass block in basically the run and shoot, and when we run the ball using zone blocking schemes. This offense, a pro-set, is going to be more power-Os and Gs (offside and on-side guard), sweeps with counter trey (ofIfside guard and tackle), G-O sweeps, with more full backs (which we had nil) that means Isos and powers and counters. It is a totally different change in philosophy between taking the man where he wants to go and replacing a pulling guard and combo blocking to the next level. Would it be an adjustment taking a QB out of the triple option and putting him in shot gun? I didn't realize you're a coach. Bring on more Xs and Os, it sounds interesting. +1. This is the kind of stuff that really helps me watch football better, and I must say, that even after 40 years or so of watching, I still find it very difficult to figure out, especially trying to pick up the line play while following the ball. |
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