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Post by FULL_MONTY on Aug 7, 2010 15:42:35 GMT -8
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Post by mightymightyaztecs on Aug 7, 2010 15:47:00 GMT -8
Coaching.
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Post by dlangford9 on Aug 7, 2010 19:49:08 GMT -8
I think some is coaching.
I think some is terrible talent at THE OTHER POSITIONS around the studs.
I think some is due to the fact that we don't get the all-around, stud players coming in to SDSU. They have 1 or 2 pieces wrong with their game...
size, but weak strength (by the time they leave they are strong enough)
good size, but poor technique (by the time they leave they have better technique)
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Post by jdaztec on Aug 7, 2010 19:54:08 GMT -8
Great question.
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Post by joshjones1 on Aug 7, 2010 22:23:15 GMT -8
NFL rosters are large in number. Alot of guys get looks. On the other side of the coin, we have a basketball program that has been successful for going on 10 years, and has no NBA players. We have good individual players who play well as a TEAM, and are well coached. Obviously the football program hasn't.
I agree it was maddening when we had a defense with Morrison, McCoy, Larsen, Farwell, Lobel, Sharpe, etc. and didn't even get to a friggin bowl. Or, solid offensive talent with Hall-Osgood-Tolver and again, nada.
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Post by goaztecs on Aug 8, 2010 4:18:29 GMT -8
NFL rosters are large in number. Alot of guys get looks. On the other side of the coin, we have a basketball program that has been successful for going on 10 years, and has no NBA players. We have good individual players who play well as a TEAM, and are well coached. Obviously the football program hasn't. I agree it was maddening when we had a defense with Morrison, McCoy, Larsen, Farwell, Lobel, Sharpe, etc. and didn't even get to a friggin bowl. Or, solid offensive talent with Hall-Osgood-Tolver and again, nada. It much harder to get a look and make an NBA roster than the NFL |
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Post by monty on Aug 8, 2010 6:37:50 GMT -8
NFL rosters are large in number. Alot of guys get looks. On the other side of the coin, we have a basketball program that has been successful for going on 10 years, and has no NBA players. We have good individual players who play well as a TEAM, and are well coached. Obviously the football program hasn't. I agree it was maddening when we had a defense with Morrison, McCoy, Larsen, Farwell, Lobel, Sharpe, etc. and didn't even get to a friggin bowl. Or, solid offensive talent with Hall-Osgood-Tolver and again, nada. It much harder to get a look and make an NBA roster than the NFL I think that was his point. To the point of the thread, as said above, we just don't have enough talent along the better players on the team, of course with Craft too many players weren't making it in or staying with the program. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2010 9:43:15 GMT -8
It much harder to get a look and make an NBA roster than the NFL I think that was his point. To the point of the thread, as said above, we just don't have enough talent along the better players on the team There are almost as many players on just four NFL rosters as there are in the entire NBA. On the other side of the coin from SDSU, how many Boise State Broncos are there on NFL rosters? Less than the number of Aztecs I would venture to say. So to me it comes down primarily to coaching and the program generally and it starts at the top. Boise State has as football committed a president as there is in the country. Ours, OTOH, seemed to me like he didn't even know the football program existed until fans went ballistic after Jeff Schemmel announced 22 months ago that Chuck Long would definitely return in 2009. As to coaches, we've had a bunch of guys who couldn't inspire a starving man to eat nor could they teach him to do so. (That doesn't apply to all of them, just the majority, and present staff excluded.) |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Aug 8, 2010 10:09:48 GMT -8
The question has always been answered in the past that we had skill people but nothing in the trenches.
Well of the four young guys mentioned above. 1 is an OL ,another is a DL, and then the other two are skill guys.
I believe that answer is coaching. Canepa called it out in his oped piece the other day as well. This staff is full of coaches, so I expect to see results.
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Post by joshjones1 on Aug 8, 2010 10:11:44 GMT -8
NFL rosters are large in number. Alot of guys get looks. On the other side of the coin, we have a basketball program that has been successful for going on 10 years, and has no NBA players. We have good individual players who play well as a TEAM, and are well coached. Obviously the football program hasn't. I agree it was maddening when we had a defense with Morrison, McCoy, Larsen, Farwell, Lobel, Sharpe, etc. and didn't even get to a friggin bowl. Or, solid offensive talent with Hall-Osgood-Tolver and again, nada. It much harder to get a look and make an NBA roster than the NFL Exactly. I mentioned that, the size of the NFL rosters makes it a bit easier. |
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Post by vision on Aug 8, 2010 10:31:04 GMT -8
this guys blossomed AFTER their time at SDSU for the most part. That means they are either late bloomers or it is poor coaching. Maybe both.
However, It does take a whole team to win.
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Post by monty on Aug 8, 2010 10:43:37 GMT -8
I think that was his point. To the point of the thread, as said above, we just don't have enough talent along the better players on the team There are almost as many players on just four NFL rosters as there are in the entire NBA. On the other side of the coin from SDSU, how many Boise State Broncos are there on NFL rosters? Less than the number of Aztecs I would venture to say. So to me it comes down primarily to coaching and the program generally and it starts at the top. Boise State has as football committed a president as there is in the country. Ours, OTOH, seemed to me like he didn't even know the football program existed until fans went ballistic after Jeff Schemmel announced 22 months ago that Chuck Long would definitely return in 2009. As to coaches, we've had a bunch of guys who couldn't inspire a starving man to eat nor could they teach him to do so. (That doesn't apply to all of them, just the majority, and present staff excluded.) Boise, flatly, had no way out: it was football or bust and their president ( i think i'm right here) was a college baseball player, Weber is not. Football is a big shining light, of course, but in truth it is a small fraction monetarily, staff and student wise. I don't think Weber hired an AD that will mal-fit for the position and that is what I think we would have wanted him to do - work on the university and try to hire competent people to do the other stuff. They made some bad choices. I think it is hard to compare boise and SDSU as they are approaching the problem from different sides: SDSU was an established university with above average academics and D1a athletics (however poor), Boise was a transitioning, relatively young school with poor academics and lower division athletics. To rise their tide they had to hitch it to the boat of football; SDSU hired an administrator to raise the academics. Boise, through hard work, is now in a position to work on the rest of the parts of the puzzle, but raising academics, research, campus, campus life, etc is difficult and very costly, particularly as a state school in Idaho; with the right staff in the football and AD offices SDSU can start building an athletic program, but, of course not if the community continues to stay away. Boise is in a great position for football, but SDSU is in a better position in everything else and football likely has done all it can do for them as a university (they got their promotion, they likely have seen their extra applications). Their good part can only stay steady, SDSU's academics will improve and grow, and hopefully the part that sucks right now will too. The problem with the program is wins and support: monetarily and attendance, until those change, it really doesn't matter. |
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Post by billhammett on Aug 9, 2010 8:40:16 GMT -8
Easy answer: Offensive Line. Without a solid group of O Lineman we can not sustain drives. Without sustained drives we cannot consistantly put up points. Sustained drives keeps the other offense off the field and closes out 4th quarters.
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