Victory Mosque or Tolerance Mosque?

[davdesid]

The site question is part of "ground zero" as far I am concerned. The original building there was severely damaged. But the latest moonbat meme is that it is "two blocks from where the trade center towers collapsed." How specious.

At the same time, I have to admire the lefties and their 1st Amendment position on this issue.

Why, I'll bet if the NRA wanted to open a business in Manhattan, the left would support their right to do it.

Oh, wait....

tinyurl.com/3ag7gx6

[aztecron]

Aug 23, 2010 13:03:36 GMT -8 davdesid said:

The site question is part of "ground zero" as far I am concerned. The original building there was severely damaged. But the latest moonbat meme is that it is "two blocks from where the trade center towers collapsed." How specious.

At the same time, I have to admire the lefties and their 1st Amendment position on this issue.

Why, I'll bet if the NRA wanted to open a business in Manhattan, the left would support their right to do it.

Oh, wait....

tinyurl.com/3ag7gx6

Republican Mayor (at the time) Giuliani was also a "naysayer" as well according to the article.

"Restaurateurs around the city lent their voices to the swelling chorus of NRASports Blast naysayers -- which includes Republican Mayor Rudolph Giuliani; Sen. Chuck Schumer, DN.Y; and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-Long Island."

[The Great Aztec Joe]

Statement on the Proposed "Cordoba House" Mosque near Ground Zero

Newt Gingrich
July 21, 2010 6pm

There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York
so long as
there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia. The time for
double standards that allow Islamists to behave aggressively toward us
while they demand our weakness and submission is over.

The proposed "Cordoba House" overlooking the World Trade Center site -
where a group of jihadists killed over 3000 Americans and destroyed
one of our most famous landmarks - is a test of the timidity,
passivity and historic ignorance of American elites. For example,
most of them don't understand that "Cordoba House" is a deliberately
insulting term. It refers to Cordoba, Spain - the capital of Muslim
conquerors who symbolized their victory over the Christian Spaniards
by transforming a church there into the world's third-largest mosque
complex.

Today, some of the Mosque's backers insist this term is being used to
"symbolize interfaith cooperation" when, in fact, every Islamist in
the world recognizes
Cordoba as a symbol of Islamic conquest. It is a
sign of their contempt for Americans and their confidence in our
historic ignorance that they would deliberately insult us this way.
Those Islamists and their apologists who argue for "religious
toleration" are arrogantly dishonest. They ignore the fact that more
than 100 mosques already exist in New York City. Meanwhile, there are
no churches or synagogues in all of Saudi Arabia. In fact no Christian
or Jew can even enter Mecca. And they lecture us about tolerance.

If the people behind the Cordoba House were serious about religious
toleration, they would be imploring the Saudis, as fellow Muslims, to
immediately open up Mecca to all and immediately announce their
intention to allow non-Muslim houses of worship in the Kingdom. They
should be asked by the news media if they would be willing to lead
such a campaign.

We have not been able
to rebuild the World Trade Center in nine years.
Now we are being told a 13 story, $100 million megamosque will be
built within a year overlooking the site of the most devastating
surprise attack in American history.

Finally where is the money coming from? The people behind the Cordoba
House refuse to reveal all their funding sources.
America is experiencing an Islamist cultural-political offensive
designed to undermine and destroy our civilization. Sadly, too many of
our elites are the willing apologists for those who would destroy them
if they could.
No mosque.
No self deception.
No surrender.
The time to take a stand is now - at this site on this issue.

[The Great Aztec Joe]

f x x x those Radical Islamic sons of bitches. No mosque, No way, No how. We could always put the New York Upstate Militia at the site and have them "take out" anybody who tries to erect a mosque on a sacred site in the United States.

[The Great Aztec Joe]

I totally agree with Newt's post. The argument may not fly if the Liberals get to attack it. What will stand is the simple fact that cities have a right to zone certain areas for certain types of buildings. New York City needs to zone the area for financial and retail and leave it at that. Nothing more need be done other than to say that due to the sensitivity of the matter, the city of New York will not waive future zoning restrictions in that area.

I have not heard my argument expressed by any other, but I believe it is the one that can not be attacked by the "do good, do folly" Liberals of our great country.

[AlwaysAnAztec]

Emotionally, I agree with the 'Newt Letter" 100%. That said, I could never vote for someone who didn't believe in the U.S. Constitution. You know, 1st Amendment, etc.

[aztecwin]

Aug 24, 2010 9:25:34 GMT -8 AlwaysAnAztec said:

Emotionally, I agree with the 'Newt Letter" 100%. That said, I could never vote for someone who didn't believe in the U.S. Constitution. You know, 1st Amendment, etc.

Now who would that be?

[Deleted]

Aug 24, 2010 9:25:34 GMT -8 AlwaysAnAztec said:

Emotionally, I agree with the 'Newt Letter" 100%. That said, I could never vote for someone who didn't believe in the U.S. Constitution. You know, 1st Amendment, etc.

I hope the pastor of the local Snake Handlers buys your neighbor's house and opens a church. After all, the 1st amendment guarantees churches the right to do whatever they want, wherever they want and if you disagree you're a Nazi bigot.

[davdesid]

Aug 23, 2010 16:56:08 GMT -8 aztecron said:

Aug 23, 2010 13:03:36 GMT -8 davdesid said:

The site question is part of "ground zero" as far I am concerned. The original building there was severely damaged. But the latest moonbat meme is that it is "two blocks from where the trade center towers collapsed." How specious.

At the same time, I have to admire the lefties and their 1st Amendment position on this issue.

Why, I'll bet if the NRA wanted to open a business in Manhattan, the left would support their right to do it.

Oh, wait....

tinyurl.com/3ag7gx6

Republican Mayor (at the time) Giuliani was also a "naysayer" as well according to the article.

"Restaurateurs around the city lent their voices to the swelling chorus of NRASports Blast naysayers -- which includes Republican Mayor Rudolph Giuliani; Sen. Chuck Schumer, DN.Y; and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-Long Island."

Ah, yes of course. No such thing as a "lefty" Republican. (My post referred to "lefties", not party affiliation). If you are confused, google "Snowe" or "Collins".

Nice try, though.

[AlwaysAnAztec]

Aug 24, 2010 11:37:58 GMT -8 afan said:

Aug 24, 2010 9:25:34 GMT -8 AlwaysAnAztec said:

Emotionally, I agree with the 'Newt Letter" 100%. That said, I could never vote for someone who didn't believe in the U.S. Constitution. You know, 1st Amendment, etc.

I hope the pastor of the local Snake Handlers buys your neighbor's house and opens a church. After all, the 1st amendment guarantees churches the right to do whatever they want, wherever they want and if you disagree you're a Nazi bigot.

WTF?

Do you believe that the only freedom of religion in this country is the freedom to be a member of YOUR religion?

[monty]

Aug 22, 2010 11:46:51 GMT -8 afan said:

Aug 17, 2010 16:42:09 GMT -8 Bob Forsythe said:

As do Christian fundamentalists. Feel free to attempt to abuse me of that notion, but again, I find it rather sad that a self-proclaimed atheist would attempt to defend any fundamental religionists.

Have you never read anything from the Christian Reich on Jews or Islam or, for that matter, Catholics? Do you not understand that they consider Catholicism to be a "cult"? Do you not understand the hatred behind Christian fundamentalism and the danger it poses to our democracy?

All religions get corrupted by corruptible people - even Taoism has been corrupted now and then. I would suggest that you really don't understand much at all when it comes to religious philosophy because, if you did, you'd understand that every country is in danger of losing its democratic roots if fundamentalist religionists, of any strip, were to gain power.

As an atheist, you should fear this more than most.

=Bob

So I take it you and all the newly minted religiously tolerant lefty's here would have no problem with building a mosque directly on top of Ground Zero so long as the NY city council and Mayor Bloomberg give the OK?

I propose not building anything on the site itself: not a mosque, not a flippin office building, nothing. 600 yards away, go for it.

[monty]

Aug 24, 2010 8:37:14 GMT -8 The Great Aztec Joe said:

Statement on the Proposed "Cordoba House" Mosque near Ground Zero

Newt Gingrich
July 21, 2010 6pm

There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York
so long as
there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia. The time for
double standards that allow Islamists to behave aggressively toward us
while they demand our weakness and submission is over.

The proposed "Cordoba House" overlooking the World Trade Center site -
where a group of jihadists killed over 3000 Americans and destroyed
one of our most famous landmarks - is a test of the timidity,
passivity and historic ignorance of American elites. For example,
most of them don't understand that "Cordoba House" is a deliberately
insulting term. It refers to Cordoba, Spain - the capital of Muslim
conquerors who symbolized their victory over the Christian Spaniards
by transforming a church there into the world's third-largest mosque
complex.

Today, some of the Mosque's backers insist this term is being used to
"symbolize interfaith cooperation" when, in fact, every Islamist in
the world recognizes
Cordoba as a symbol of Islamic conquest. It is a
sign of their contempt for Americans and their confidence in our
historic ignorance that they would deliberately insult us this way.
Those Islamists and their apologists who argue for "religious
toleration" are arrogantly dishonest. They ignore the fact that more
than 100 mosques already exist in New York City. Meanwhile, there are
no churches or synagogues in all of Saudi Arabia. In fact no Christian
or Jew can even enter Mecca. And they lecture us about tolerance.

If the people behind the Cordoba House were serious about religious
toleration, they would be imploring the Saudis, as fellow Muslims, to
immediately open up Mecca to all and immediately announce their
intention to allow non-Muslim houses of worship in the Kingdom. They
should be asked by the news media if they would be willing to lead
such a campaign.

We have not been able
to rebuild the World Trade Center in nine years.
Now we are being told a 13 story, $100 million megamosque will be
built within a year overlooking the site of the most devastating
surprise attack in American history.

Finally where is the money coming from? The people behind the Cordoba
House refuse to reveal all their funding sources.
America is experiencing an Islamist cultural-political offensive
designed to undermine and destroy our civilization. Sadly, too many of
our elites are the willing apologists for those who would destroy them
if they could.
No mosque.
No self deception.
No surrender.
The time to take a stand is now - at this site on this issue.

So now we should have Religious Protectionism - are we going to put a tariff on mosques, are we concerned with our trade balance of religious edifices?

[aztecwin]

I want to see a Sports Bar on one side of the Mosque and a Pork BBQ joint on the other side. Ah! The smell of smoky pork BBQ wafting through the Mosque at prayer time.

[monty]

Aug 25, 2010 14:34:07 GMT -8 aztecwin said:

I want to see a Sports Bar on one side of the Mosque and a Pork BBQ joint on the other side. Ah! The smell of smoky pork BBQ wafting through the Mosque at prayer time.

Gay strip club on one side with full bar and Amsterdam like windows with dudes dancing; and some sort of like NOW or other militant feminist organization (I'd say female strip club but didn't some of the hijackers go get lap dances before?). And at least one of them has to have a pork BBQ

[monty]

What if we made them put it on rotation like one of those rotating restaurants, might make it harder to find Mecca 5 times a day.