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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 10, 2011 23:09:00 GMT -8
As I noted on another thread, not only has the window of opportunity for the Chargers closed, but A.J. has now nailed it shut.
We've got a lousy roster with just a few good players and some former stars who are not aging well. Most of everyone else on the roster would fit into the, "Warm body," category. They're just guys - nothing special.
A.J.'s decisions are often ego based. His handling of his own free agents has been deplorable. Bad decisions based on ego - the epitome of a bad GM. Which he is.
A.J. has dismantled a Super Bowl caliber team and turned it into garbage. Trading down from Marty to Norv also hurt the team.
Norv has never gotten more out of his talent than anyone thought he could. He doesn't inspire his players to overachieve. If anything his teams have almost always underachieved. His teams are not disciplined (none of his teams have been). They are not motivated. And they often don't even look prepared.
He's a coordinator. A good one. But as a head coach he's mediocre at best. He will never win a Super Bowl as a head coach. He was given the keys to the Ferrari and he drove it into a ditch.
Dean needs to get some backbone and he needs to wake up and take a good hard look at the guys running his team. They are ruining it. Correction, they have already ruined it. Is he really going to let them continue down this path?
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Post by 78aztec82 on Nov 11, 2011 3:52:05 GMT -8
Rivers is obviously struggling physically and with his confidence. I don't see what Norbert Turner is doing about that. That is a huge part of his job.
We got rid of Norbert in DC for a reason. He slowly kills programs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2011 6:31:34 GMT -8
Rivers is obviously struggling physically and with his confidence. I don't see what Norbert Turner is doing about that. That is a huge part of his job. We got rid of Norbert in DC for a reason. He slowly kills programs. SEVEN seasons of hell. San Diego well into their 5th year. I knew how it would turn out. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 11, 2011 7:04:10 GMT -8
Does anyone think that A.J.'s player moves over the last 4 years have been any good?
I didn't think so.
How about Norv's handling of making sure the team is prepared and motivated?
I didn't think so on that one, either.
Neither of those guys have done a Super Bowl caliber job. Not even close. They don't have this team ready to win and win with regularity. They certainly don't have this team ready to go deep into the playoffs.
The Chargers were one of the 3 or 4 best teams in the league 4 years ago. Now look at them. It's a joke. A bad one.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Nov 11, 2011 8:42:33 GMT -8
Our head coach is soft which translates down to the team and I think our team seems more worried about what dance they’ll do after a play than what’s going on in the game. The team needs to start undergoing a rebuild. They thought they had one more year but last year proved they were getting passed by and those teams are still getting better while we are hoping to hold on.
I normally don’t post under the Chargers and gave up on them last year. Watching them this year it’s obvious they won’t make the playoffs this year or in the next few years. The Raiders adding Palmer really made them the class of the league with Kansas City working on being #2. We are somewhere with the Broncos and they might pass us by next year.
I hope they don't sell out one more game this year and management starts to get a hint that their product sucks. I'm sure they'll give Norv one more year and in the first round AJ will take some unknown, good character, slow as can be, and unable to beanch press 200 pounds RT from a school that plays in DIII.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 11, 2011 19:53:48 GMT -8
As for AJ, he has this kinda "moneyball" mentality which I understand to a certain (and short) extent but it just doesn't work if you don't draft well. You don't just have to draft well - you have to draft almost flawlessly. There is almost no room for error in your drafts if you're trying to replace productive veterans with rookies or second year guys. That worked OK for the Chargers when Buddy Nix was here, but since he's been gone it's been a disaster. A.J. can only miss on about 2 draft picks per year. The other 5 have to be hits. And the top 3 picks HAVE to work out well in order for his philosophy to work. He's missed more than he's hit lately. I don't know why Dean believes in this guy so much. The Lord of No Rings. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2011 20:58:22 GMT -8
Amen.
Send them both packing, Dean.
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Post by smoketree on Nov 12, 2011 8:12:03 GMT -8
I have never heard this from anyone and I could be totally off base...However, I just wonder if Rivers is losing some of his teammates with his attitude. So often he yells at them and even seems to be yelling at Turner on the sidelines....With the huge salary he makes, and the idea that this is HIS TEAM, I am getting a sneaky feeling that the locker room may be jealous and simply not playing hard for him....Wonder if anyone has these thoughts?  ? |
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Nov 12, 2011 14:42:22 GMT -8
The Chargits only fire 14-2 winning coaches.
HAM
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Nov 13, 2011 16:09:56 GMT -8
You mean they haven't cleaned house yet??
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Post by Deja Vu U Monty on Nov 13, 2011 16:14:33 GMT -8
Insult upon insult. Denver has now tied us. We could finish last in the AFC Worst. Dean, do what your great buddy Rick Perry wants to do and cut, cut, cut. Cut AJ. Cut Norv. Cut the deadwood. Do you want to win or just be proven wrong like a certain political party?
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Nov 20, 2011 13:33:37 GMT -8
Trying to watch Chargers @bears but it's rough!
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Post by podpeople on Nov 20, 2011 14:04:22 GMT -8
Trying to watch Chargers @bears but it's rough! a total collapse. AJ must walk the plank. |
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Post by Deja Vu U Monty on Nov 20, 2011 16:20:10 GMT -8
Trying to watch Chargers @bears but it's rough! a total collapse. AJ must walk the plank. Really? Knowing the Spanoses like will do I think they will give him a five year extension. |
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Post by junior on Nov 20, 2011 19:17:32 GMT -8
I believe they are purposely driving the team out of town. When we're no longer happy with just the heads of Norval and A.J. (what's "A.J." stand for anyway, Ass Jet?) we'll have no problem waving bye-bye to the Chargers.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 20, 2011 21:02:53 GMT -8
I believe they are purposely driving the team out of town. When we're no longer happy with just the heads of Norval and A.J. (what's "A.J." stand for anyway, Ass Jet?) we'll have no problem waving bye-bye to the Chargers. I know a lot of people suspect that to be the case, but if so why would Dean have spent millions and millions of dollars in trying to get a stadium deal worked out? They could have left two years ago, but they're still here. I honestly think this is just a case of General Managerial incompetence - and Dean, unfortunately, has bought into the incompetent General Manager as an expert. |
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Post by sdsu2000 on Nov 21, 2011 9:05:25 GMT -8
Smith should be fired. He’s been nothing since Buddy Nix left. Norv had success with Buddy’s and Marty’s talent but they have become soft and over the hill. The longer Norv stays the worse this team is going to get.
OL, TE, RB are all positions that need to be fixed on offense. Need more speed at WR. The whole defense needs to be rebuilt.
The Chargers won’t rebuild the team through free agency so it’ll be 3-5 years of drafting to get this thing back together at which time Rivers will be over the hill and they’ll need a QB. All San Diego teams wait too long to make the changes necessary to get better.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 10:16:28 GMT -8
8. I think I can't fathom how the Chargers don't change the coach or GM if they continue to fade into oblivion. I know Norv Turner is signed through 2013 and A.J. Smith through 2014, but how does Dean Spanos make no changes on a team with such great expectations? The Chargers are 13-13 since opening day 2010. Sometimes, with the weight of expectations, it feels more like 3-23.Read more: sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/11/21/Week11/index.html#ixzz1eMcCNt4z
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Post by NTU on Nov 22, 2011 11:45:01 GMT -8
Smith should be fired. He’s been nothing since Buddy Nix left. Norv had success with Buddy’s and Marty’s talent but they have become soft and over the hill. The longer Norv stays the worse this team is going to get. OL, TE, RB are all positions that need to be fixed on offense. Need more speed at WR. The whole defense needs to be rebuilt. The Chargers won’t rebuild the team through free agency so it’ll be 3-5 years of drafting to get this thing back together at which time Rivers will be over the hill and they’ll need a QB. All San Diego teams wait too long to make the changes necessary to get better. How are the personnel problems Norv's fault? He doesn't run the draft, and he doesn't make the personnel decisions. AJ does. Presumably he consults with Norv, but the decisions in those matters are AJ's to make. And as you yourself pointed out, the personnel decisions since Buddy was fired have been abysmal. Norv has no more or less say in personnel matters than Marty Schottenheimer did. He is consulted, his opinions are considered, but ultimately they're pretty much ignored. Norv ain't the problem here. |
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Post by podpeople on Nov 22, 2011 12:29:50 GMT -8
Smith should be fired. He’s been nothing since Buddy Nix left. Norv had success with Buddy’s and Marty’s talent but they have become soft and over the hill. The longer Norv stays the worse this team is going to get. OL, TE, RB are all positions that need to be fixed on offense. Need more speed at WR. The whole defense needs to be rebuilt. The Chargers won’t rebuild the team through free agency so it’ll be 3-5 years of drafting to get this thing back together at which time Rivers will be over the hill and they’ll need a QB. All San Diego teams wait too long to make the changes necessary to get better. How are the personnel problems Norv's fault? He doesn't run the draft, and he doesn't make the personnel decisions. AJ does. Presumably he consults with Norv, but the decisions in those matters are AJ's to make. And as you yourself pointed out, the personnel decisions since Buddy was fired have been abysmal. Norv has no more or less say in personnel matters than Marty Schottenheimer did. He is consulted, his opinions are considered, but ultimately they're pretty much ignored. Norv ain't the problem here. very true. AJ is truly the man at fault here. How did he think letting Sproles go was going to help this team? its getting more and more obvious that AJ has no clue what he's doing when it comes to the draft. This team has fallen apart. |
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