|
|
Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 30, 2010 8:24:08 GMT -8
It won't be pretty. A look at how the British National Health Service works, or doesn't work, sure scares the hell out of me. For one thing, if ObamaCare follows the British pattern, which Berwick favors, my wife would probably not get the knee replacement she is considering. You don't think so? Well, Berwick, who thinks the British health care system is just fine, is dedicated to changes which will cost American lives. But, that's the way it goes, according to Berwick. We must face the obvious. There is no way a government run system will not end up costing billions more while at the same time limiting treatments in order to cut costs. That's bad enough, of course, but there is something even worse. Those who tell you that you are too old to have a knee replacement (which would include my wife), for instance, will themselves not be subject to the same rationing. As Thomas says. . . In Britain, as in America, top officials (including Berwick, who has lifetime health coverage given to him by the Institute for Health Care Improvement) will always have access to the best care, even while they decide the rest of us cannot.Well, I wonder how many more problems will be foisted on the American people because legislators (okay, Democrats!) vote for bills they were told had to be supported for political reasons even though they never read them! www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/07/30/obamacare_means_lower_quality_long_waits_106553.htmlAzWm |
|
|
|
Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 30, 2010 8:59:04 GMT -8
A look at how the British National Health Service works, or doesn't work, sure scares the hell out of me. For one thing, if ObamaCare follows the British pattern, which Berwick favors, my wife would probably not get the knee replacement she is considering. ...lower_quality_long_waits_106553.html AzWm All we have is our foot in the door. We will greatly expand Socialized Medicine in the future in this country so that all are covered for any and all operations. Sex change surgery for bob will be covered. Hanoi Jane can get herself a Big Gun if she really wants one. Think of all the wonderful miracles Socialized Medicine can bring to the American People! |
|
|
|
Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 30, 2010 9:00:22 GMT -8
Was that a great post above? Come on, I want to hear you guys clap.
|
|
|
|
Post by aztecwin on Jul 30, 2010 10:46:39 GMT -8
Was that a great post above? Come on, I want to hear you guys clap. I was waiting for =Bob to ask you for more details. Has he PM'ed you?  |
|
|
|
Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 30, 2010 17:53:31 GMT -8
Joe, if you think that government run health care will allow everyone to receive any and all treatments regardless of cost, you are out of touch with reality. The well-documented history of nationalized health systems the world over reveals the truth, which contradicts you contention.
AzWm
|
|
|
|
Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 31, 2010 7:26:11 GMT -8
Joe, if you think that government run health care will allow everyone to receive any and all treatments regardless of cost, you are out of touch with reality. The well-documented history of nationalized health systems the world over reveals the truth, which contradicts you contention. AzWm William, I am a born again Liberal. My optimism knows no boundaries. Remember, as a Liberal, I know that all spent government money is free. All we have to do is borrow from the FED and then ask the FED to forgive the debt. I posted that as soon as I became a Liberal. Nobody can contest that fact, so why worry about cost. With my program, we will be totally socialist in no time. Praise Obama. P.S. I think, William, you momentarily lost your perspective. |
|
|
|
Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 31, 2010 7:28:39 GMT -8
Was that a great post above? Come on, I want to hear you guys clap. I was waiting for =Bob to ask you for more details. Has he PM'ed you? DOTTAGE LEFT BOOB is still trying to figure out that comment about Hanoi Jane and a Big Gun. He can not make the association. |
|
|
|
Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Aug 2, 2010 10:07:56 GMT -8
Joe, if you think that government run health care will allow everyone to receive any and all treatments regardless of cost, you are out of touch with reality. The well-documented history of nationalized health systems the world over reveals the truth, which contradicts you contention. AzWm "Well Documented?" Please provide a link. |
|
|
|
Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 2, 2010 12:59:27 GMT -8
Simple fact of the matter is that under Socialism the money for the health care is free. Remember, we just borrow it from the FED.
|
|
|
|
Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 2, 2010 16:41:48 GMT -8
|
|
|
|
Post by aztecwin on Aug 2, 2010 16:52:36 GMT -8
That is only a sampling of the problems. I have told the story of the Canadians crossing the border up in Washington to get access to care that is rationed in Canada. We could do better, but are starting out on the wrong path. I guess we can not expect much more from a bunch of inexperienced ideological liberals. |
|
|
|
Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 2, 2010 16:57:13 GMT -8
Here is a Cato Institute article that clearly explains why govt. health is a bad idea. Written in '96, it is every bit as timely now as it was then. Those who favor nationalized health simply will not come to grips with the inevitable defects of such a system. Until they do, we will never have a really rational system that provides the best care at the best price. www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6293AzWm |
|
|
|
Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Aug 3, 2010 7:40:06 GMT -8
That is only a sampling of the problems. I have told the story of the Canadians crossing the border up in Washington to get access to care that is rationed in Canada. We could do better, but are starting out on the wrong path. I guess we can not expect much more from a bunch of inexperienced ideological liberals. So.. issues with ONE healtcare system reflect on ALL healthcare systems. Nice try. You know Win, if you actually want some debate on this forum you might stop the name calling every time someone disagrees with what you are saying.  |
|
|
|
Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Aug 3, 2010 7:54:05 GMT -8
Here is a Cato Institute article that clearly explains why govt. health is a bad idea. Written in '96, it is every bit as timely now as it was then. Those who favor nationalized health simply will not come to grips with the inevitable defects of such a system. Until they do, we will never have a really rational system that provides the best care at the best price. www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6293AzWm I offer another publication from the same institute which is a bit more up to date. I think it is a decent analysis. www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-613.pdf |
|
|
|
Post by aztecwin on Aug 3, 2010 11:24:15 GMT -8
That is only a sampling of the problems. I have told the story of the Canadians crossing the border up in Washington to get access to care that is rationed in Canada. We could do better, but are starting out on the wrong path. I guess we can not expect much more from a bunch of inexperienced ideological liberals. So.. issues with ONE healtcare system reflect on ALL healthcare systems. Nice try. You know Win, if you actually want some debate on this forum you might stop the name calling every time someone disagrees with what you are saying. I thought you considered those terms a badge of honor! Maybe you are coming around and object to being labeled what you are. |
|
|
|
Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 4, 2010 9:55:10 GMT -8
Here is a Cato Institute article that clearly explains why govt. health is a bad idea. Written in '96, it is every bit as timely now as it was then. Those who favor nationalized health simply will not come to grips with the inevitable defects of such a system. Until they do, we will never have a really rational system that provides the best care at the best price. www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6293AzWm I offer another publication from the same institute which is a bit more up to date. I think it is a decent analysis. www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-613.pdfThis should be required reading for anyone who thinks government run health care is a good idea. Why, for god's sake, are those on the Left so in love with socialized medicine? This Cato report makes so much sense that one has to wonder whether fans of ObamaCare are semi-brain dead or truly malevolent. A couple of bits from this report really stand out. Here is one. . . . . . citizens of many countries put social solidarity and equality ahead of quality and choice when it comes to health policy . . .What really scares me is the thought that the Left in this country believes just that! Hey, we know health care is crappy, but at least everyone is in the same boat. But, of course, everyone is not in the same boat. The truly rich (which means people with a net worth of tens or hundreds of millions of dollars, not those whose income is $250,000 a year) will never play by the rules. They will always be able to find a way (i.e., bribe) to put their grandmother, spouse, or child at head of the line while the "little people" hope that they don't die while waiting for badly needed care. In fact, didn't the authors of ObamaCare create a loophole so that they won't have to live under the same system? Nice! Here's more . . . Although no country with universal coverage is contemplating abandoning a universal system, the broad and growing trend in countries with national health care systems is to move away from centralized government control and introduce more market-oriented features.Great! Politicians and bureaucrats around the world are actually seeing what works and are modifying their systems accordingly. Meanwhile the clowns who stood around with silly grins on their faces as Obama signed this monstrosity into law are headed in exactly the opposite . . . and disastrous. . . direction. If it were not virtually certain that this misbegotten law will cost American lives, one would be tempted to laugh. AzWm |
|
|
|
Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 5, 2010 7:34:31 GMT -8
The simple fact of the matter is that we will have fundamental care for the unwashed masses.
If you want to get your hooked beak trimmed, that's on you and your pocketbook.
|
|
