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Post by laaztec on Jul 29, 2010 12:46:42 GMT -8
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Post by dshawfan on Jul 29, 2010 12:51:42 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2010 12:56:56 GMT -8
1. On Tim Brando's show the other morning, Washington's GM said Strasburg wanted go anyway but it was his decision and their manager's (whoever the heck that is) that he not do so.
2. Judging by this and other ideas he has, I honestly wonder whether Bunning isn't getting senile.
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 29, 2010 12:58:46 GMT -8
Bunning had a wonderful career. However, his club never invested as much in him as the Nats have. They need to protect their investment. Bunning evidently thinks that baseball is still a bunch of good old boys chewin' and spittin', and not the big business that it is now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2010 13:21:38 GMT -8
Bunning can suck it.
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Post by robthevol on Jul 29, 2010 14:09:02 GMT -8
I'm from New Jersey. Not the New York New Jersey but the Philadelphia New Jersey. I would get up in the morning and look across the Delaware and see the big PSFS sign next to the William Penn statue .
Was a Philadelphia A's fan until they left and than the Phillies. Robin Roberts, Richie Ashburn and than Jim Bunning. Great guy. They all were.
Jim Bunning pitched every fourth day from March through September and never refused a turn. Neither did anyone else. Nor were they ever asked.
The point is different deal, different time, different system. No sliders, no split fingers, no screwballs. Fast ball, curve and change up.
I'm guessing Bunning made less than $75,000 the year he pitched his perfect game.
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Post by jcljorgenson on Jul 29, 2010 15:06:44 GMT -8
There are lots of time in my sports career that I wanted to be in the game but the coach didn't put me in. There isn't really much else a player can to do about it - since he does not have the ultimate say. The old man must justbe looking for publicity - or it makes him feel better about himself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2010 15:24:22 GMT -8
It's really ridiculous. I mean what if there was a 3% chance that his arm blew up if they'd played him. Can you imagine how much heat that organization would have taken (rightly so) for sensing a problem and pitching him anyway? That's like cruising a 15 million dollar yacht with a low oil light going off.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2010 15:39:01 GMT -8
It's really ridiculous. I mean what if there was a 3% chance that his arm blew up if they'd played him. Can you imagine how much heat that organization would have taken (rightly so) for sensing a problem and pitching him anyway? +1,000. As Rob said, Bunning may have been a stud pitcher. However, as I said, I wonder if he isn't a bit senile these days. Bunning had to have heard stories about how Dizzy Dean rushed back too soon after getting hit in the toe by a line drive in the All-Star game and Bunning's contemporary Herb Score of the Indians rushed back too soon after getting hit by a line drive in the face off the bat of Gil McDougal of the Yankees and both slightly altered their deliveries to deal with their discomfort and ruined their arm. Both were destined for the HOF and may not have made it all the way back anyway after their injury but since they didn't fully rehab, we'll never really know. Absolutely imbecilic to take that chance with Strasburg. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jul 29, 2010 16:27:42 GMT -8
It's really ridiculous. I mean what if there was a 3% chance that his arm blew up if they'd played him. Can you imagine how much heat that organization would have taken (rightly so) for sensing a problem and pitching him anyway? +1,000. As Rob said, Bunning may have been a stud pitcher. However, as I said, I wonder if he isn't a bit senile these days. Bunning had to have heard stories about how Dizzy Dean rushed back too soon after getting hit in the toe by a line drive in the All-Star game and Bunning's contemporary Herb Score of the Indians rushed back too soon after getting hit by a line drive in the face off the bat of Gil McDougal of the Yankees and both slightly altered their deliveries to deal with their discomfort and ruined their arm. Both were destined for the HOF and may not have made it all the way back anyway after their injury but since they didn't fully rehab, we'll never really know. Absolutely imbecilic to take that chance with Strasburg. Don't forget Randy Jones, who got in a car accident that required stitches in his neck, tried to come back to soon and also blew out his arm. This says it all: In baseball and in politics, Bunning’s been known as a tough guy with a mile-wide mean streak. And I'm not referring to his politics. There's nothing sadder than some old, former star, even someone of Bunning's caliber, claiming how much tougher or better he was than a 22 year-old kid who is just starting to enjoy the limelight. All one needs to do is read some books on how MLB players approached the game in those days to know Bunning never faced the caliber of players, in terms of conditioning and their equipment, that Stras is facing. Quite frankly, when I read something like this from a former player all I see is a jealous old man who is still trying to get his name in the news. And in the end, he was the loser because Mitch McConnell kicked his ass up one side and down the other and drove him out of the Senate. Which is, I suppose, another reason Bunning is a bitter old man. =Bob |
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Post by robthevol on Jul 29, 2010 19:31:01 GMT -8
I don't want to give the impression I'm a Bunning hack. I'm not.
Just saying, he and every other pitcher in that era took the ball every four days ready or not. You never complained nor did anyone bother to ask. You threw only those three pitches until the game was over. More innings but less stress.
Wonder how many Strasburgs there might have been in the 30s, 40s, and 50s that were finished at 20 that we never heard about
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 29, 2010 21:46:19 GMT -8
Several years ago my son attended Randy Jones' baseball camp. I like to hang around my son's camps and listen. Randy's camp was good for that as the coaches were retired major leaguers. One converstaion that I listened to was a retired pitcher that was still pissed at how his manager had ruined his arm, and career, by having him pitch too much. Wish I remembered names.
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Post by Aztec94 on Jul 29, 2010 21:52:59 GMT -8
Who's Jim Bunning??
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Post by Pasadenaztec on Jul 30, 2010 5:08:34 GMT -8
Uh......he's a Hall of Fame pitcher.....that's who. Anyway, glad Strasburg didn't end up with the Cubs. Otherwise, he would have pitched in that game the other day and probably ends up blowing out his arm like Mark Prior and Kerry Woods. |
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Post by aztecbo on Jul 30, 2010 7:37:30 GMT -8
Bunning is an idiot; follow his politics for proof.
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Post by monty on Jul 30, 2010 7:48:22 GMT -8
Without even considering the long term effects, if he couldn't get warm he should have gone out there and lob 70 mile per hour balls over the plate? Discretion is the better part of valor, are you hurt or injured, doing what is best for the team, or old politician doing a back in my day speech.
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Post by 83aztec on Jul 30, 2010 8:03:53 GMT -8
Nice article in SI about how Nolan Ryan thinks that pitchers are babied way too much these days. He has his Texas Ranger Pitchers doing things the way he did and they seem to florish. So much so that the Yankees have started copying his ways. Now this really has nothing to do with Stasburgs current situation as the best thing for inflamtion is rest.
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Post by sdoc on Jul 30, 2010 8:36:37 GMT -8
Bunning is an idiot and the Nats made a smart move. Stras will be fine. The game and the competition is much different now than it was in the 60s.
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Post by aztecmusician on Jul 30, 2010 9:37:25 GMT -8
I wonder if the kid gloves treatment actually prevents pitchers from blowing their arms out. Are there any definitive studies on the subject?
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