Post by jhonka34 on Jul 23, 2010 19:00:15 GMT -8
Who is making excuses. You are making the same point I made. (Perhaps being labeled a Dodger fan, as I was earlier in the thread, you assumed I was defending the Dodgers).
The point I was making was that the loss fell heavily on Torre and Mattingly for not knowing the rules. Of course, you would hope the umps would get it right too, but you can't count on that. Though the interview with Mattingly makes it seem like the ump told him that his pitcher would get time to warm up and when Mattingly got back to the dugout and turned around, the batter had already stepped in the box.
Anyway, the point is: Good on Bochy for knowing the rules (still) and hopefully whoever is managing the Dodgers in the future will get look at team history and make sure they understand the rule book too.
Also, Bochy was quoted after the game saying that he has a hard time staying on the mound sometimes too and is constantly reminding himself that he needs to stay on the dirt. I'm sure there are plenty of managers that would get a good laugh calling the same rule on Bochy.
The umps messed a bunch of stuff up in this game. First: Broxton should have been allowed to face the hitter at the plate before having to leave the game. Second, the relief pitcher should have been allowed as many pitches as he required to warm up, rather than the customary 8 pitches relievers get from the mound.
Could this have changed the outcome of the game? Lots of couldas and maybes there. The situation was bases loaded with one out and a 1 run lead. A double play ends the game. Broxton could have gotten that, or even the first part of a pair of SOs, foul outs or even really short pop outs. Or his replacement, on proper warm up, might have had a better chance. But really it falls a little on Mattingly for not knowing the rules (either about leaving the mound or what should happen after) but even more on Torre for getting tossed and not being there to deal with it himself.
Also, as I recall, when this happened last time (with Bochy as a Padre) Brad Penny was on the mound and either refused to pitch to that hitter or argued so fiercely that he got tossed which removed his ability to pitch to that hitter.
Umpires make mistakes. That is why Bochy had to point out the obvious. The problem is that the Dodgers didn't do the same when the umpires miss applied the rules. Quoting the rules by the Dodgers would have kept Broxton in the game for that batter - but the Dodgers management failed to "know" the rule. And don't use the ejection as an excuse. The Dodgers manager was in communication and failed to "know" the rule like Bochy did.
The point I was making was that the loss fell heavily on Torre and Mattingly for not knowing the rules. Of course, you would hope the umps would get it right too, but you can't count on that. Though the interview with Mattingly makes it seem like the ump told him that his pitcher would get time to warm up and when Mattingly got back to the dugout and turned around, the batter had already stepped in the box.
Anyway, the point is: Good on Bochy for knowing the rules (still) and hopefully whoever is managing the Dodgers in the future will get look at team history and make sure they understand the rule book too.
Also, Bochy was quoted after the game saying that he has a hard time staying on the mound sometimes too and is constantly reminding himself that he needs to stay on the dirt. I'm sure there are plenty of managers that would get a good laugh calling the same rule on Bochy.
And as far as the topic of this thread is actually concerned:
The umps messed a bunch of stuff up in this game. First: Broxton should have been allowed to face the hitter at the plate before having to leave the game. Second, the relief pitcher should have been allowed as many pitches as he required to warm up, rather than the customary 8 pitches relievers get from the mound.
Could this have changed the outcome of the game? Lots of couldas and maybes there. The situation was bases loaded with one out and a 1 run lead. A double play ends the game. Broxton could have gotten that, or even the first part of a pair of SOs, foul outs or even really short pop outs. Or his replacement, on proper warm up, might have had a better chance. But really it falls a little on Mattingly for not knowing the rules (either about leaving the mound or what should happen after) but even more on Torre for getting tossed and not being there to deal with it himself.
Also, as I recall, when this happened last time (with Bochy as a Padre) Brad Penny was on the mound and either refused to pitch to that hitter or argued so fiercely that he got tossed which removed his ability to pitch to that hitter.
Umpires make mistakes. That is why Bochy had to point out the obvious. The problem is that the Dodgers didn't do the same when the umpires miss applied the rules. Quoting the rules by the Dodgers would have kept Broxton in the game for that batter - but the Dodgers management failed to "know" the rule. And don't use the ejection as an excuse. The Dodgers manager was in communication and failed to "know" the rule like Bochy did.