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Post by AztecBill on Jul 21, 2010 8:59:18 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2010 9:06:23 GMT -8
You mean to tell me the famous MIKE HENDERSON is picking us to win the conference? Shazzam!!!
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 21, 2010 9:16:02 GMT -8
I found the comments section interesting. The following comment, "Tavernari shot us out of games as often as he shot us into them", is similar to other BYU fans comments I have seen. Tavernari 3 point shooting 33.3% OOC 45.2% In Conference This is one of those cases where a player has problems early and a fan gets set in his mind what type of player he is. When his game changes he reinforces his perception by explaining away events that don't conform to his view and use events that do conform to his perception to reinforce his belief. He should instead use stats to see a unbiased view of reality. 45.2% is better than Fredette shot 3s overall and much better than Haws. But Haws shot well early and became BYU's darling. |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 21, 2010 9:21:17 GMT -8
You mean to tell me the famous MIKE HENDERSON is picking us to win the conference? Shazzam!!! WHen MIKE HENDERSON talks people listen. |
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Post by AztecTom on Jul 21, 2010 9:25:00 GMT -8
Smart man Mike is. He actually knows what he is talking about.
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Post by monty on Jul 21, 2010 9:34:22 GMT -8
I found the comments section interesting. The following comment, "Tavernari shot us out of games as often as he shot us into them", is similar to other BYU fans comments I have seen. Tavernari 3 point shooting 33.3% OOC 45.2% In Conference This is one of those cases where a player has problems early and a fan gets set in his mind what type of player he is. When his game changes he reinforces his perception by explaining away events that don't conform to his view and use events that do conform to his perception to reinforce his belief. He should instead use stats to see a unbiased view of reality. 45.2% is better than Fredette shot 3s overall and much better than Haws. But Haws shot well early and became BYU's darling. I think your point is well taken, I'd also say that if someone has a few disastrous plays, games or stretches those tend to win out in the mind. One thing I'd say though is you assume that stats which depict an average, are indicative of a single game, it is possible for someone to have a good stat but have horrid games |
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Post by pokinsky on Jul 21, 2010 10:04:19 GMT -8
I found the comments section interesting. The following comment, "Tavernari shot us out of games as often as he shot us into them", is similar to other BYU fans comments I have seen. Tavernari 3 point shooting 33.3% OOC 45.2% In Conference This is one of those cases where a player has problems early and a fan gets set in his mind what type of player he is. When his game changes he reinforces his perception by explaining away events that don't conform to his view and use events that do conform to his perception to reinforce his belief. He should instead use stats to see a unbiased view of reality. 45.2% is better than Fredette shot 3s overall and much better than Haws. But Haws shot well early and became BYU's darling. But stats also don't tell the whole story of the game, or recognize good or bad shot selection. In BYU's 6 losses last year Tavernari shot only 28% from 3 and only 42% overall, with a brutal 1-11 against bitter rival Utah St for their 1st loss of the season. And during BYU's last 3 losses to end the season, he shot a horrible 16% from 3 and 32% overall. His mid season was solid but he started poorly and ended it with a thud. The comment ... "Tavernari shot us out of games as often as he shot us into them" actually seems very fitting. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2010 10:17:44 GMT -8
You mean to tell me the famous MIKE HENDERSON is picking us to win the conference? Shazzam!!! WHen MIKE HENDERSON talks people listen. Only those who don't know the guy wears a tin foil hat and thinks he's the reincarnation of "Hollywood" Henderson. (Not bagging on you, Bill. Just sayin' Bleacherreport is a total farce . . . though they may have gotten this one right.) |
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Post by sdoc on Jul 21, 2010 10:23:12 GMT -8
This is going to be a very exciting basketball season! GO AZTECS!
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 21, 2010 10:26:30 GMT -8
I found the comments section interesting. The following comment, "Tavernari shot us out of games as often as he shot us into them", is similar to other BYU fans comments I have seen. Tavernari 3 point shooting 33.3% OOC 45.2% In Conference This is one of those cases where a player has problems early and a fan gets set in his mind what type of player he is. When his game changes he reinforces his perception by explaining away events that don't conform to his view and use events that do conform to his perception to reinforce his belief. He should instead use stats to see a unbiased view of reality. 45.2% is better than Fredette shot 3s overall and much better than Haws. But Haws shot well early and became BYU's darling. I think your point is well taken, I'd also say that if someone has a few disastrous plays, games or stretches those tend to win out in the mind. One thing I'd say though is you assume that stats which depict an average, are indicative of a single game, it is possible for someone to have a good stat but have horrid games You think that I think averages indicate how someone will do in a game? I don't know why you would think that. I don't. I fully understand sample size and fluctuations of chance. |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 21, 2010 10:35:37 GMT -8
But stats also don't tell the whole story of the game, or recognize good or bad shot selection. In BYU's 6 losses last year Tavernari shot only 28% from 3 and only 42% overall, with a brutal 1-11 against bitter rival Utah St for their 1st loss of the season. And during BYU's last 3 losses to end the season, he shot a horrible 16% from 3 and 32% overall. His mid season was solid but he started poorly and ended it with a thud. The comment ... "Tavernari shot us out of games as often as he shot us into them" actually seems very fitting. And Fredette shot 7-24 in 3s in their last 4 losses of the year - 29.1%. 45.2% talks for itself. Everyone has bad games. |
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Post by pokinsky on Jul 21, 2010 10:53:02 GMT -8
But stats also don't tell the whole story of the game, or recognize good or bad shot selection. In BYU's 6 losses last year Tavernari shot only 28% from 3 and only 42% overall, with a brutal 1-11 against bitter rival Utah St for their 1st loss of the season. And during BYU's last 3 losses to end the season, he shot a horrible 16% from 3 and 32% overall. His mid season was solid but he started poorly and ended it with a thud. The comment ... "Tavernari shot us out of games as often as he shot us into them" actually seems very fitting. And Fredette shot 7-24 in 3s in their last 4 losses of the year - 29.1%. 45.2% talks for itself. Everyone has bad games. And obviously the fans who didn't like Tavernari, and suggested he shot them out of games will remember the 16% 3 pt shooter to end his career at BYU. All shooters have bad games, but they also need to recognize when they are having an off night, and pass it or take it inside rather than keep missing and hurting your team. www.mwcconnection.com/2010/2/28/1331081/steve-alford-and-johnathan |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 21, 2010 12:16:09 GMT -8
And Fredette shot 7-24 in 3s in their last 4 losses of the year - 29.1%. 45.2% talks for itself. Everyone has bad games. And obviously the fans who didn't like Tavernari, and suggested he shot them out of games will remember the 16% 3 pt shooter to end his career at BYU. All shooters have bad games, but they also need to recognize when they are having an off night, and pass it or take it inside rather than keep missing and hurting your team. www.mwcconnection.com/2010/2/28/1331081/steve-alford-and-johnathanOK, he was 1-4 should he stop or not? I guess they forget games like UNLV where Tavernari was 4-8 shooting 3s and led the team in rebounding, blocks, assists, and scoring, while Jimmer was 2-10 and lead the team in turnovers. Result: BYU 77 - UNLV 73. |
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Post by strasburger37 on Jul 23, 2010 21:36:41 GMT -8
The Aztecs are, and should be, the trendy pick to win the MWC. They've got a solid starting 5 and great depth. There's no reason it shouldn't be their year this year.
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