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Post by montyismyhomie on Jul 19, 2010 14:34:55 GMT -8
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Post by backwhenaztec on Jul 19, 2010 16:43:53 GMT -8
to my knowledge Espn ratings are always much more stringent.. A 2 star upper grade probably equates to a 3 star plus rating from rivals and scout.. Either way another example of the staff evaluating talent early and identifying players with talent..
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Post by pokinsky on Jul 19, 2010 17:08:36 GMT -8
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Post by monty on Jul 19, 2010 17:28:05 GMT -8
Seeing as we have a 3 star rated one cent higher, is there a numerical cut-off for the stars, are they rated against their position for stars, are stars or the out of 100 ranking favored or more usefull?
I really don't get why they give a grade, a star ranking and a positional rating.
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Post by aztech on Jul 19, 2010 17:33:59 GMT -8
Maybe it's my imagination, but I've been noticing that Hoke has been recruiting a lot of tight ends. I wonder if he plans to convert them into linemen since all you really need are two eligible and a redshirt. By my count they have 5 on the roster and 2 redshirts and this guy would be the 7th one after Umuolo graduates. Don't know if there are others that already verbaled.
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Post by monty on Jul 19, 2010 17:41:06 GMT -8
Maybe it's my imagination, but I've been noticing that Hoke has been recruiting a lot of tight ends. I wonder if he plans to convert them into linemen since all you really need are two eligible and a redshirt. By my count they have 5 on the roster and 2 redshirts and this guy would be the 7th one after Umuolo graduates. Don't know if there are others that already verbaled. Could be the case, or defensive ends, or H-backs. I think Hoke said this, if not I'm sure he'd agree - the problem with o-lineman is they generally can't do anything else - it can be difficult for them to even play d-line; a good athletic big guy that plays tight end gives more options. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2010 17:46:13 GMT -8
to my knowledge Espn ratings are always much more stringent.. A 2 star upper grade probably equates to a 3 star plus rating from rivals and scout. There was actually an article published this year after LOI signing day about grade creep for Rivals. From what I could tell, it appeared as though they upgraded a bunch of kids from two to three stars based on camp attendance. ESPN's numerical score on a 100 scale is much more accurate than the number of stars. Rivals now essentially uses a similar scale, grading recruits from about 4.8 to 6.0 depending, with 5.0-5.4 being two stars and 5.5-5.8 being four stars. While ESPN's scale may be theoretically more exact, does it really matter much whether a kid is graded a 76 rather than a 74? Accuracy of all of them is subject to the extent to which they have professionals actually following the team. Frankly, Scout doesn't do all that great a job covering SDSU whereas they pretty carefully cover UNM. This stuff is getting so sophisticated that I expect an eventual end to the stars system because it's too basis. I also expect that every one of these main services will get big enough to have somebody cover every DIA school rather than just getting info secondhand. BTW, Phil Steele also gets info from the following: SuperPrep; Tom Lemming; G&W; PrepStar; and Parade. Since the address for PrepStar is only like eight miles from my house, I drove by their once. It was a veritable hole in the wall with nary a human to be found. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2010 17:53:03 GMT -8
Maybe it's my imagination, but I've been noticing that Hoke has been recruiting a lot of tight ends. I wonder if he plans to convert them into linemen He said once that you can turn a HS skill player into a college lineman, but you can't turn a lineman into a skill player. If my son's Pop Warner experience is any guide, truer words have never been spoken. Some of the kids like mine had played a ton of baseball, basketball and/or soccer and were pretty athletic. Others obviously hadn't and they had lineman written all over them. Jerry Hughes, who played running back in HS, is a great example of how Gary Patterson has made great linemen out of some former skill players who bulked up. I think Hoke is trying to do that with some of these guys. |
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Post by backwhenaztec on Jul 19, 2010 18:04:18 GMT -8
Hoke and Co are recruiitng more TE's, FB's, LB types for 2 reasons.......
1. The brand of football SDSu wants to play.. More physical football teams ie Alabama, USC, even Utah, are physical, smash mouth football teams that win football games by pounding the football. Having more bigger skilled type players allows you to get into sets where you can play power football. You traditionally look at any team that runs the ball well and youll see more FB, TE on the roster than WR...
2. The fact that Bigger Skill guys can move to other positions is extremely important. Slower TE's become faster, athletic Olinemen, Bigger FB's become faster DLinemen... etc
Back in the day, Florida State made a living on recruiting down, turning slow WRs to TEs, big LB's to DE, DE to DT, etc... and TCU is having success with that currently..
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 19, 2010 18:18:09 GMT -8
ESPN's ratings are terrible. Rivals is the best scouting service, by far. Regardless of the "grade creep", which is true, ESPN's scouting does not hold a candle to Rivals.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 19, 2010 18:22:02 GMT -8
As an example, ESPN had Dillon Baxter rated #117 overall. I'm by no means a Baxter honk, but 117? And the 12th best athlete?
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Post by monty on Jul 19, 2010 18:58:08 GMT -8
Hoke and Co are recruiitng more TE's, FB's, LB types for 2 reasons....... 1. The brand of football SDSu wants to play.. More physical football teams ie Alabama, USC, even Utah, are physical, smash mouth football teams that win football games by pounding the football. Having more bigger skilled type players allows you to get into sets where you can play power football. You traditionally look at any team that runs the ball well and youll see more FB, TE on the roster than WR... 2. The fact that Bigger Skill guys can move to other positions is extremely important. Slower TE's become faster, athletic Olinemen, Bigger FB's become faster DLinemen... etc Back in the day, Florida State made a living on recruiting down, turning slow WRs to TEs, big LB's to DE, DE to DT, etc... and TCU is having success with that currently.. Tight ends and fullbacks can also contribute on special teams too. |
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Post by Old School on Jul 19, 2010 20:01:31 GMT -8
Luginbill turned FB Jim Jennings into a Tackle on the O-line.
The possibilities are endless.
Oldie Out
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Post by ron on Jul 20, 2010 3:30:43 GMT -8
Hoke and Co are recruiitng more TE's, FB's, LB types for 2 reasons....... 1. The brand of football SDSu wants to play.. More physical football teams ie Alabama, USC, even Utah, are physical, smash mouth football teams that win football games by pounding the football. Having more bigger skilled type players allows you to get into sets where you can play power football. You traditionally look at any team that runs the ball well and youll see more FB, TE on the roster than WR... 2. The fact that Bigger Skill guys can move to other positions is extremely important. Slower TE's become faster, athletic Olinemen, Bigger FB's become faster DLinemen... etc Back in the day, Florida State made a living on recruiting down, turning slow WRs to TEs, big LB's to DE, DE to DT, etc... and TCU is having success with that currently.. Adding to that, Ca. is typically talent rich at those positions, more so than OL/DL (from a pure numbers standpoint). Borges may also want to utilize more 2 TE formations, and it helps to have a lot of depth for that. Last, this kid will grow. He's listed at 215 lbs. but the staff obviously sees a frame that can add weight. |
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Post by aztech on Jul 20, 2010 10:30:49 GMT -8
Hoke and Co are recruiitng more TE's, FB's, LB types for 2 reasons....... 1. The brand of football SDSu wants to play.. More physical football teams ie Alabama, USC, even Utah, are physical, smash mouth football teams that win football games by pounding the football. Having more bigger skilled type players allows you to get into sets where you can play power football. You traditionally look at any team that runs the ball well and youll see more FB, TE on the roster than WR... 2. The fact that Bigger Skill guys can move to other positions is extremely important. Slower TE's become faster, athletic Olinemen, Bigger FB's become faster DLinemen... etc Back in the day, Florida State made a living on recruiting down, turning slow WRs to TEs, big LB's to DE, DE to DT, etc... and TCU is having success with that currently.. All that's fine and dandy. Unfortunately it'll take at least 3 years before they gain enough weight to play their new positions. So to pull it off within that time frame those JC guys Hoke brought in will be graduating just before this transition. If that's his plan, it's a good one at that. |
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