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Post by aztecwin on Jul 15, 2010 16:26:34 GMT -8
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Post by davdesid on Jul 15, 2010 16:45:49 GMT -8
You can't trust those right-wing web sites. You ought to know that by now. You can't trust Baghdad Bob Gibbs, either. Just ask Princess Pelosi, who recently went into a mouth-frothing melt-down over his prognostications. I can't blame her, either. It's a loooooooooong way to November. Still, the fools in the White House and Congress do seem to be providing the grist for their own political demise. Whatever happens in November will depend on turnout. We'll find out who is more motivated. But I know better than to make predictions on elections. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jul 16, 2010 7:51:10 GMT -8
Where did they conduct the poll? At Tea Party events. ;D |
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Post by uwaztec on Jul 16, 2010 8:17:44 GMT -8
Since you used one of my posts as an example of a gratuitous sling from the left I think it only fair for you to remember the thread where it was posted. Any gratuitous insults from the right there? Did afan strike you as having anything of substance to offer? Since you are positing yourself as the voice of reason here I am interested in your opinion. Context means a lot. OK, fair enough. Although Afan's post was laced with gratuitous hyperbole, it did have a substantial point... that of the "nanny state" attempting to legislate, or in the case of SF and the mayor dictating by executive order. You respond with something I don't think anyone has ever proposed (cameras in bedrooms). If you know of any "con" that has proposed any such thing, even informally, let me know. (I lean libertarian on quite a few issues - but conservative on defense). My point is that if anyone ever does propose such a thing, it will more likely come from the left. The left, after all, already has surveillance cameras up in many public places, and in the UK those devices are ubiquitous. The left tells us what kinds of toilets we have to install, what kinds of light bulbs we have to use, and a plethora of other intrusive rules on how we should live our lives. We even have "chimney Nazis" in my area. Now we have soft-drink Nazis, salt-Nazis, food-Nazis, paper and plastic bag Nazis, pet Nazis, water-Nazis, and on and on and on. O.K. Sid. I notice that the Right mostly complains about "regulation". For example, what would you do about water usage in California? Yea it was great in the 60's & 70's when the salmon fisherman were going strong in all major ports north of SLO, the salmon had plenty of clean water flow and spawning beds in the Klamath, Russian River etc etc. and the central valley farmers had all the water they wanted. Geez, a family of 3 living in a 10,000 sq. ft. house on 3 acres in So Cal could use the same water in one day that a third World village of 500 used in one day. Great times right?..yes, I was there. I bet you are glad that your next door neighbor is probably limited to a total of 3 chickens and no roosters? The World and the US is changing rapidly. Some changes are good. When I was in high school...the one suspected "gay guy" got isolated by 30 football players in the shower room and got the $#!+ kicked out of him. In those days you just went home and licked your wounds. Nothing even happened to the football players. These days, the outcome might be different. I know no one wants to hear this.... but a lot of our issues, tension and stress today is because there is less space, a lot more people and more pressure on dwindling resources. Oh and I agree with letting people "blow up" at MacDonald's and at the soda dispenser..... it makes a guy like me who takes care of himself stand out more! |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 16, 2010 9:18:31 GMT -8
One of the standard reactions from Leftists is to attack the intelligence and education of those who oppose them. We saw that in the '08 election. I'm sure many of those who voted for Obama did so largely because they thought Obama was smarter than McCain. Well, Obama may well be smarter (though his performance when not using a TelePrompter is decidedly pedestrian). Here's the thing; for someone serving in an executive position, raw intelligence is not nearly as important as other factors. Experience, humility, flexibility, honesty, self-discipline and above all common sense are all more valuable. The Left makes it a practice to denigrate the intelligence of GOP leaders. Eisenhower was virtually laughed at in the '50s. Over the course of time we have come to see that Ike was one cagey operator. I'd say the same for Reagan. Maybe even Goldwater. (Notice how it's always the dead Republicans who are admired by the Left!) Sarah Palin is a whole lot cagier, and I'd say smarter, than many people give her credit for. She would not be my first choice for President, but that's beside the point. The point is that the Left sees her as a threat. So do certain parts of the GOP. Underestimating your opponent is very risky business. In this case, the Left seems not to understand that by attacking Sarah they are in a sense playing into her hands. The more influential she is, the more chance there is that her endorsements will swing a few elections. In terms of controlling the Houses of Congress, a few lost elections can make all the difference. Let's not forget that the Lefties who are attacking Palin are, supposedly, very intelligent people who went to universities much more prestigious than Idaho.  AzWm |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 16, 2010 9:36:07 GMT -8
Sarah is just plain DUMB. If the Republicans were to give her serious consideration, then they are in serious trouble.
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Post by uwaztec on Jul 16, 2010 10:11:04 GMT -8
One of the standard reactions from Leftists is to attack the intelligence and education of those who oppose them. We saw that in the '08 election. I'm sure many of those who voted for Obama did so largely because they thought Obama was smarter than McCain. Well, Obama may well be smarter (though his performance when not using a TelePrompter is decidedly pedestrian). Here's the thing; for someone serving in an executive position, raw intelligence is not nearly as important as other factors. Experience, humility, flexibility, honesty, self-discipline and above all common sense are all more valuable. The Left makes it a practice to denigrate the intelligence of GOP leaders. Eisenhower was virtually laughed at in the '50s. Over the course of time we have come to see that Ike was one cagey operator. I'd say the same for Reagan. Maybe even Goldwater. (Notice how it's always the dead Republicans who are admired by the Left!) Sarah Palin is a whole lot cagier, and I'd say smarter, than many people give her credit for. She would not be my first choice for President, but that's beside the point. The point is that the Left sees her as a threat. So do certain parts of the GOP. Underestimating your opponent is very risky business. In this case, the Left seems not to understand that by attacking Sarah they are in a sense playing into her hands. The more influential she is, the more chance there is that her endorsements will swing a few elections. In terms of controlling the Houses of Congress, a few lost elections can make all the difference. Let's not forget that the Lefties who are attacking Palin are, supposedly, very intelligent people who went to universities much more prestigious than Idaho. AzWm Give me a break William! In her early interviews, Palin did not even exhibit knowledge of basic geography! You were in education... you can tell if someone is curious about the World and has a basic background in geography and science. She was running for Vice-President for God's sake!! One heartbeat away from making the ultimate decision to drop the big one. Shouldn't she be required to know the basic geo-politics of the part of the World she is dropping the bomb on?? Again.... give me a break... she is who she is and deserved the criticism for being unprepared for the task. Has she improved in her overall delivery and strategy...yes. She probably knows more about geography now than she ever did. But to say she was unfairly criticized is ridiculous. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 16, 2010 11:41:43 GMT -8
Where did they conduct the poll? At Tea Party events. ;D Why don't you click on the link and see where it was? Could have been at a SEIU meeting. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 16, 2010 12:53:30 GMT -8
She probably knows more about geography now than she ever did. But to say she was unfairly criticized is ridiculous. True. She makes DAN QUAYLE (who was unfairly criticized) look like Einstein. She may not know all that needs to be known about the geo-political nuances of the tribal unrest in Sudan, but then, who does? She may be ignorant, but not stupid. The current President, who, from the lack of complaints, seems to be considered to have adequate intellect for the Presidency, can see what has happened and is happening economically in Greece, yet he and his followers are saying "Full Speed Ahead" for expanding socialist policies in deficit and debt ridden USA. They can't even seem to grasp the meaning of the word "unsustainable" when it comes to government spending. Please show me a major policy statement made by Palin that shows such a similar amount of stupidity and contempt for the long-term well being of the American economy? As Don Harold once said, "there is nobody so irritating as somebody with less intelligence and more sense than we have." And if a clueless ideology can cloud the judgment of one thought to be intelligent, why can't a sound ideology improve the judgment of someone not thought to be brilliant? I say it can and has (see Reagan as an example, among many). |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 16, 2010 13:20:05 GMT -8
The current President, ..... They can't even seem to grasp the meaning of the word "unsustainable" when it comes to government spending. Please show me a major policy statement made by Palin Unsustainable? There is no such thing when it comes to spending. We above all other countries in the world have the FED. The FED is the greatest thing since Peach Ice Cream. Right now to show how much the FED holds the debt system of the United States in proper perspective, when the US treasury pays the FED the intererst payments due it for the Bonds and Notes the FED holds, the FED turns around and deposits the money in the Treasury. Dude, as far as the FED is concerned there is no debt and there is no interest to be accrued from the Debt that is not there. (The FED does take operating expenses from the interest, but it is minor.) At any time, the FED can dismiss the Debt. After all, the FED was created by Congress to serve the United States. No other country has such a system. Other countries have central banks, but the FED is unique. When ever we ask, they will dismiss all of the bonds and notes that they hold. They have no interest in wanting to hold on to them anyway. So much paper. |
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Post by davdesid on Jul 16, 2010 14:00:40 GMT -8
OK, fair enough. Although Afan's post was laced with gratuitous hyperbole, it did have a substantial point... that of the "nanny state" attempting to legislate, or in the case of SF and the mayor dictating by executive order. You respond with something I don't think anyone has ever proposed (cameras in bedrooms). If you know of any "con" that has proposed any such thing, even informally, let me know. (I lean libertarian on quite a few issues - but conservative on defense). My point is that if anyone ever does propose such a thing, it will more likely come from the left. The left, after all, already has surveillance cameras up in many public places, and in the UK those devices are ubiquitous. The left tells us what kinds of toilets we have to install, what kinds of light bulbs we have to use, and a plethora of other intrusive rules on how we should live our lives. We even have "chimney Nazis" in my area. Now we have soft-drink Nazis, salt-Nazis, food-Nazis, paper and plastic bag Nazis, pet Nazis, water-Nazis, and on and on and on. O.K. Sid. I notice that the Right mostly complains about "regulation". For example, what would you do about water usage in California? Yea it was great in the 60's & 70's when the salmon fisherman were going strong in all major ports north of SLO, the salmon had plenty of clean water flow and spawning beds in the Klamath, Russian River etc etc. and the central valley farmers had all the water they wanted. Geez, a family of 3 living in a 10,000 sq. ft. house on 3 acres in So Cal could use the same water in one day that a third World village of 500 used in one day. Great times right?..yes, I was there. I bet you are glad that your next door neighbor is probably limited to a total of 3 chickens and no roosters? The World and the US is changing rapidly. Some changes are good. When I was in high school...the one suspected "gay guy" got isolated by 30 football players in the shower room and got the $#!+ kicked out of him. In those days you just went home and licked your wounds. Nothing even happened to the football players. These days, the outcome might be different. I know no one wants to hear this.... but a lot of our issues, tension and stress today is because there is less space, a lot more people and more pressure on dwindling resources. Oh and I agree with letting people "blow up" at MacDonald's and at the soda dispenser..... it makes a guy like me who takes care of himself stand out more! Yes, some changes are good, and I don't have much of a problem with the ideals you cite. I think most concientious citizens try to do their part. I think I do. But the left doesn't trust their fellow citizens to make intelligent choices. But when government gets involved with the brute force of law, it goes awry as often as not, and ends up with unintended consequences. An example is the low flow toilets. They use less water per flush, but often take multiple flushes just to do the job the old ones would do with a single flush. Water is an important issue in California. I think my neighbors are quite concientious about conserving, just as I try to do. And yet, I have seen sprinklers watering public properties to the point that the excess is running down the storm drains like rivers. Guidance and direction is a good thing, to a point. But now we have these little tin-pot gauleiters like Bloomberg, "Shanks" Daley, and Newsome trying to regulate salt in our food, and sugar in our drinks. All for our own good, doncha know. Oh, and about someone living on an obscenely large property (or two or three), with a huge carbon footprint, see: Al Gore. Just like the water waste above, it's "do as I say, not as I do." |
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Post by uwaztec on Jul 16, 2010 14:28:53 GMT -8
O.K. Sid. I notice that the Right mostly complains about "regulation". For example, what would you do about water usage in California? Yea it was great in the 60's & 70's when the salmon fisherman were going strong in all major ports north of SLO, the salmon had plenty of clean water flow and spawning beds in the Klamath, Russian River etc etc. and the central valley farmers had all the water they wanted. Geez, a family of 3 living in a 10,000 sq. ft. house on 3 acres in So Cal could use the same water in one day that a third World village of 500 used in one day. Great times right?..yes, I was there. I bet you are glad that your next door neighbor is probably limited to a total of 3 chickens and no roosters? The World and the US is changing rapidly. Some changes are good. When I was in high school...the one suspected "gay guy" got isolated by 30 football players in the shower room and got the $#!+ kicked out of him. In those days you just went home and licked your wounds. Nothing even happened to the football players. These days, the outcome might be different. I know no one wants to hear this.... but a lot of our issues, tension and stress today is because there is less space, a lot more people and more pressure on dwindling resources. Oh and I agree with letting people "blow up" at MacDonald's and at the soda dispenser..... it makes a guy like me who takes care of himself stand out more! Yes, some changes are good, and I don't have much of a problem with the ideals you cite. I think most concientious citizens try to do their part. I think I do. But the left doesn't trust their fellow citizens to make intelligent choices. But when government gets involved with the brute force of law, it goes awry as often as not, and ends up with unintended consequences. An example is the low flow toilets. They use less water per flush, but often take multiple flushes just to do the job the old ones would do with a single flush. Water is an important issue in California. I think my neighbors are quite concientious about conserving, just as I try to do. And yet, I have seen sprinklers watering public properties to the point that the excess is running down the storm drains like rivers. Guidance and direction is a good thing, to a point. But now we have these little tin-pot gauleiters like Bloomberg, "Shanks" Daley, and Newsome trying to regulate salt in our food, and sugar in our drinks. All for our own good, doncha know. Oh, and about someone living on an obscenely large property (or two or three), with a huge carbon footprint, see: Al Gore. Just like the water waste above, it's "do as I say, not as I do." points well taken... I guess it gives us a lot to talk, and think, about! |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 16, 2010 15:41:36 GMT -8
The current President, ..... They can't even seem to grasp the meaning of the word "unsustainable" when it comes to government spending. Please show me a major policy statement made by Palin Unsustainable? There is no such thing when it comes to spending. We above all other countries in the world have the FED. The FED is the greatest thing since Peach Ice Cream. Right now to show how much the FED holds the debt system of the United States in proper perspective, when the US treasury pays the FED the intererst payments due it for the Bonds and Notes the FED holds, the FED turns around and deposits the money in the Treasury. Dude, as far as the FED is concerned there is no debt and there is no interest to be accrued from the Debt that is not there. (The FED does take operating expenses from the interest, but it is minor.) At any time, the FED can dismiss the Debt. After all, the FED was created by Congress to serve the United States. No other country has such a system. Other countries have central banks, but the FED is unique. When ever we ask, they will dismiss all of the bonds and notes that they hold. They have no interest in wanting to hold on to them anyway. So much paper. Joe, This idea is getting a little tired. I have shown you a couple times how it does not hold water. Keep it up ad I will have to start thinking that your liberal act is more than just an act and you might even believe some of it. Let's try another approach on you. One man's or one country's debt is another man's asset on the other side of the ledger. Now just tell me where any good has ever come of trying to destroy wealth on one hand in order to decrease debt on the other. It is ludicrous on it's face and only a true liberal would even think that way. We all know that you have just chosen a side in this debate, but you are in danger of convincing some folks including yourself that you believe it. |
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Post by waztec on Jul 17, 2010 8:02:33 GMT -8
Sarah Palin is attacked, because she insults the intelligence of Americans.
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 17, 2010 11:14:01 GMT -8
Sarah Palin is attacked, because she insults the intelligence of Americans. Don't you think that most liberals need that insulting? |
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Post by waztec on Jul 17, 2010 13:21:10 GMT -8
Sarah Palin is attacked, because she insults the intelligence of Americans. Don't you think that most liberals need that insulting? No. We get enough already. ;D |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 17, 2010 13:54:06 GMT -8
Don't you think that most liberals need that insulting? No. We get enough already. ;D Just wondering, is an insult really an insult if it is true? ;D |
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 17, 2010 16:58:49 GMT -8
What the conservatives seem not to understand is that liberals are not attacking Palin, they are laughing at her.
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 17, 2010 20:14:35 GMT -8
In my heavy drinking days, I found that I could always win a bet by walking into a stateside bar and telling the inhabitants that they were so stupid that they could not name forty of the fifty states in ten minutes. They never could and I always won. Beer is a great lubricant.
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 17, 2010 20:26:56 GMT -8
Well, if Obama and Carter are examples of leadership that comes from "book learnin", then you can keep it. Even Clinton with all his "brains" (in his head and pants is seems) went head-long into leftist idiocy his first two years in office with complete Dem control (See Hillary care, tax increases, etc). But for the GOP House & Senate and his taking the advice of Dick Morris and triangulating with GOP policy, he would have had a failed Presidency too. That was political astuteness, not the extraordinary command of minutia and the ability to regurgitate what your left-wing ideologue professor once told you. The funny thing is that GWB went to the same or as good a school as did Gore or Kerry, and had grades as good as Kerry'a and better than Gore's? And that proves what? Are any of those three on the short list for greatness? Well I have noticed that "book learnin" has become a negative for the far right....and especially those evil "elites" (anybody with a Masters and above)!! What do you think Goldwater and W. F. Buckely would think about "book learnin"? I don't hate Palin, she is entertaining. She has used the "evil" (she hates the evil left-wing media till the check clears) media to her advantage like no other politician. She is making mounds of dough. Her daughter has also learned from Mom. geez...only $15,000 to speak on abstinence and how much do you think she got for that US cover this week? (of course she and the guy who did not abstain are abstaining till they get married...big headline  !! Reality show coming....... Clinton did no wrong in my assessment of presidential behavior. He was just a man getting a blow job. Do you have a problem with this? |
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!! Reality show coming.......