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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 14, 2010 6:48:12 GMT -8
OBAMA, DAMN IT, STOP EXTENDING UNEMPLOYMENT AND HELP CREATE JOBS!
Extending unemployment and continuing the payments with taxpayer money is not the solution. Creating jobs is.
In the last Depression FDR tried to create jobs. At least he tried.
Obama, you are doing nothing!
Not a Damn Thing!
It appears that all you want to do is keep millions of people sucking on the government teat until election time comes around.
Time to start up a major project like building a national acqueduct to transfer Midwest water to the arid West where there are millions of acres of federal land that are just sitting there growing cactus. With water and private management of these Federal Lands, we could be producing enough corn and other crops that we could cut our trade balance deficit in half. Yet, you are still sitting on your hands.
Action! Damn it man, we need Action!
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 14, 2010 6:52:50 GMT -8
As a born again Liberal, I, of course, see the government as the means out of this Depression. If the Government does not take action, we will flounder.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 14, 2010 8:03:51 GMT -8
I wish I had your faith in government, Joe. Speaking realistically, there are plenty of reasons why government has so many built-in handicaps that it can never replace the free market in the area of job creation and economic development. No, capitalism is not perfect, since it, like government, is run by human beings. It just happens that private citizens, whether working alone, in small groups, or in major corporations, are superior to politicians in the economic field .
Government is necessary, of course. But government should stick to doing those things it can and should do. Running banks, insurance companies, and car companies, etc. is not one of those things.
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 14, 2010 16:36:04 GMT -8
I wish I had your faith in government, Joe. Speaking realistically, there are plenty of reasons why government has so many built-in handicaps that it can never replace the free market in the area of job creation and economic development. No, capitalism is not perfect, since it, like government, is run by human beings. It just happens that private citizens, whether working alone, in small groups, or in major corporations, are superior to politicians in the economic field . Government is necessary, of course. But government should stick to doing those things it can and should do. Running banks, insurance companies, and car companies, etc. is not one of those things. AzWm Might I add that the Private Sector must turn a profit to stay viable. Government by definition and function not only can not turn a profit but is mostly additional "head wind" that the private side must overcome. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 15, 2010 8:26:01 GMT -8
I wish I had your faith in government, Joe. Speaking realistically, there are plenty of reasons why government has so many built-in handicaps that it can never replace the free market in the area of job creation and economic development. No, capitalism is not perfect, since it, like government, is run by human beings. It just happens that private citizens, whether working alone, in small groups, or in major corporations, are superior to politicians in the economic field . Government is necessary, of course. But government should stick to doing those things it can and should do. Running banks, insurance companies, and car companies, etc. is not one of those things. AzWm But William, you have got to admit that diverting ten percent of the Mississippi watershed to the arid West to bring millions of acres of Federal Land under cultivation to put people to work and to cut the Balance of Trade deficit is a fantastic idea. We could lease the federal lands to farmers who wanted to try to make a go of it. Think of all the additional corn that could be converted to alcohol for sale to the world. (I was going to say Islamic countries, but I am afraid everybody would take me seriously.) |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 15, 2010 11:22:25 GMT -8
I wish I had your faith in government, Joe. Speaking realistically, there are plenty of reasons why government has so many built-in handicaps that it can never replace the free market in the area of job creation and economic development. No, capitalism is not perfect, since it, like government, is run by human beings. It just happens that private citizens, whether working alone, in small groups, or in major corporations, are superior to politicians in the economic field . Government is necessary, of course. But government should stick to doing those things it can and should do. Running banks, insurance companies, and car companies, etc. is not one of those things. AzWm But William, you have got to admit that diverting ten percent of the Mississippi watershed to the arid West to bring millions of acres of Federal Land under cultivation to put people to work and to cut the Balance of Trade deficit is a fantastic idea. We could lease the federal lands to farmers who wanted to try to make a go of it. Think of all the additional corn that could be converted to alcohol for sale to the world. (I was going to say Islamic countries, but I am afraid everybody would take me seriously.) Forget corn! Just grow pot and then tax it! Use solar and wind powered pumps to transport the water to suitable land and let the good times roll!  |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 15, 2010 11:23:53 GMT -8
We should all be wearing clothes made from hemp and hanging Muslims with hemp rope.
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 16, 2010 6:09:16 GMT -8
We should all be wearing clothes made from hemp and hanging Muslims with hemp rope. Learn to love your neighborhood Muslims. After all they may bring strict morality to the world and in the process solve the tremendous over population problem that even they admits needs to be tended to with a lot of beheading of infidels. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 16, 2010 6:16:47 GMT -8
But William, you have got to admit that diverting ten percent of the Mississippi watershed to the arid West to bring millions of acres of Federal Land under cultivation to put people to work and to cut the Balance of Trade deficit is a fantastic idea. We could lease the federal lands to farmers who wanted to try to make a go of it. Think of all the additional corn that could be converted to alcohol for sale to the world. (I was going to say Islamic countries, but I am afraid everybody would take me seriously.) Forget corn! Just grow pot and then tax it! Use solar and wind powered pumps to transport the water to suitable land and let the good times roll! As a born again liberal, medicinal marijuana for all just might be the ticket to a new, totally mellow and Peaceful America. If we do away with the military save for protection of our shores, there will be no more wars. Now that I can try pot, I had a beautiful time out in the back yard with all of the banana trees and the grave mounds a few days ago. There were all of these constantly changing multicolored geometric shapes appearing on my lightly closed eyelids as I sat in an easy chair in the sun...... Sooo relaxing! That was far better than the other time when my autonomic system had to kick in to remind my self to breath as I kept on forgetting. That was by the fireplace in front of the television. That definitely had me worried for a while. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 16, 2010 11:28:09 GMT -8
We should all be wearing clothes made from hemp and hanging Muslims with hemp rope. Learn to love your neighborhood Muslims. After all they may bring strict morality to the world and in the process solve the tremendous over population problem that even they admits needs to be tended to with a lot of beheading of infidels. I think that if you are suggesting we have a contest to see who can "off" the most of the "enemy", then it might be an idea. We surely can not out breed them although you on our side makes it a little closer match. We can hang them with hemp rope and them can try to get us with the beheading tools. Might be good weekend sport to run through our neighborhood 7-11 and AM/PM Markets with a few hundred yards of hemp rope and have a string um up rampage. |
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Post by waztec on Jul 17, 2010 7:51:08 GMT -8
OBAMA, DAMN IT, STOP EXTENDING UNEMPLOYMENT AND HELP CREATE JOBS! Extending unemployment and continuing the payments with taxpayer money is not the solution. Creating jobs is. In the last Depression FDR tried to create jobs. At least he tried. Obama, you are doing nothing! Not a Damn Thing! It appears that all you want to do is keep millions of people sucking on the government teat until election time comes around. Time to start up a major project like building a national acqueduct to transfer Midwest water to the arid West where there are millions of acres of federal land that are just sitting there growing cactus. With water and private management of these Federal Lands, we could be producing enough corn and other crops that we could cut our trade balance deficit in half. Yet, you are still sitting on your hands. Action! Damn it man, we need Action! They won't because they perceive no demand. Unemployment augments demand directly. Creating demand means putting money into the hands of consumers. Consumers are seventy percent of the economy. Unemployment compensation saves jobs. The TARP was designed to create jobs like Roosevelt's programs. The conservatives didn't like that, because they think people don't need government handouts. They also think people don't need unemployment because they are lazy. They are blocking the very measures that you think Obama has not implemented. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 17, 2010 11:20:27 GMT -8
OBAMA, DAMN IT, STOP EXTENDING UNEMPLOYMENT AND HELP CREATE JOBS! Extending unemployment and continuing the payments with taxpayer money is not the solution. Creating jobs is. In the last Depression FDR tried to create jobs. At least he tried. Obama, you are doing nothing! Not a Damn Thing! It appears that all you want to do is keep millions of people sucking on the government teat until election time comes around. Time to start up a major project like building a national acqueduct to transfer Midwest water to the arid West where there are millions of acres of federal land that are just sitting there growing cactus. With water and private management of these Federal Lands, we could be producing enough corn and other crops that we could cut our trade balance deficit in half. Yet, you are still sitting on your hands. Action! Damn it man, we need Action! They won't because they perceive no demand. Unemployment augments demand directly. Creating demand means putting money into the hands of consumers. Consumers are seventy percent of the economy. Unemployment compensation saves jobs. The TARP was designed to create jobs like Roosevelt's programs. The conservatives didn't like that, because they think people don't need government handouts. They also think people don't need unemployment because they are lazy. They are blocking the very measures that you think Obama has not implemented. People will not put their money at risk when we have this kind of instability. You can not blame business, blame the unstable government. Look at the oil crisis. Drillers are moving out because rather than enforcing existing regulation on oil businesses, they impose drilling bans or moratoriums. That is just one example. Lot at the Bush tax cuts. It would be better if they were made permanent, but even if let expire permanently it would provide some stability to use in planning. |
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Post by waztec on Jul 17, 2010 13:17:37 GMT -8
I read a story yesterday that businesses are not hiring even though they are sitting on a pile of cash. They won't because they perceive no demand. Unemployment augments demand directly. Creating demand means putting money into the hands of consumers. Consumers are seventy percent of the economy. Unemployment compensation saves jobs. The TARP was designed to create jobs like Roosevelt's programs. The conservatives didn't like that, because they think people don't need government handouts. They also think people don't need unemployment because they are lazy. They are blocking the very measures that you think Obama has not implemented. People will not put their money at risk when we have this kind of instability. You can not blame business, blame the unstable government. Look at the oil crisis. Drillers are moving out because rather than enforcing existing regulation on oil businesses, they impose drilling bans or moratoriums. That is just one example. Lot at the Bush tax cuts. It would be better if they were made permanent, but even if let expire permanently it would provide some stability to use in planning. Business is the cause of the almost catastrophic downturn problem, not the government. You conservatives didn't even want the government involved. No, this emergency is pure private enterprise. You ought to be damned grateful the government bailed those morons out-otherwise the unemployment rate would be double what it is. When you deregulate you invite private industry excess. It has happened over and over and over and over again. Excess occurs because business exists to create a profit and cares about nothing else. Millions of barrels of oil are ruining the Gulf of Mexico because private industry won't do the right thing. And you say the regulation is driving them out? The only thing that will drive oil companies out of the Gulf is a lack of demand for oil. You will notice private industry has offered us no help there either. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 17, 2010 13:48:40 GMT -8
People will not put their money at risk when we have this kind of instability. You can not blame business, blame the unstable government. Look at the oil crisis. Drillers are moving out because rather than enforcing existing regulation on oil businesses, they impose drilling bans or moratoriums. That is just one example. Lot at the Bush tax cuts. It would be better if they were made permanent, but even if let expire permanently it would provide some stability to use in planning. Business is the cause of the almost catastrophic downturn problem, not the government. You conservatives didn't even want the government involved. No, this emergency is pure private enterprise. You ought to be damned grateful the government bailed those morons out-otherwise the unemployment rate would be double what it is. When you deregulate you invite private industry excess. It has happened over and over and over and over again. Excess occurs because business exists to create a profit and cares about nothing else. Millions of barrels of oil are ruining the Gulf of Mexico because private industry won't do the right thing. And you say the regulation is driving them out? The only thing that will drive oil companies out of the Gulf is a lack of demand for oil. You will notice private industry has offered us no help there either. MMS and you were both asleep when they should have been enforcing existing regulation and inspections and you should have taken note of it. This and the fact that Obama has taken more campaign cash from BP than any other politician. This is clearly on the Obama Administration and their lack of attention to what goes on and being frozen at the switch after the fact. This disaster and our sorry President's response just make me sick. We make all the wrong moves too late to do any real preventative action. We even refused help from abroad because of the Jones Act to make sure workers were from some sorry union. |
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Post by waztec on Jul 17, 2010 14:53:59 GMT -8
What!?Business is the cause of the almost catastrophic downturn problem, not the government. You conservatives didn't even want the government involved. No, this emergency is pure private enterprise. You ought to be damned grateful the government bailed those morons out-otherwise the unemployment rate would be double what it is. When you deregulate you invite private industry excess. It has happened over and over and over and over again. Excess occurs because business exists to create a profit and cares about nothing else. Millions of barrels of oil are ruining the Gulf of Mexico because private industry won't do the right thing. And you say the regulation is driving them out? The only thing that will drive oil companies out of the Gulf is a lack of demand for oil. You will notice private industry has offered us no help there either. MMS and you were both asleep when they should have been enforcing existing regulation and inspections and you should have taken note of it. This and the fact that Obama has taken more campaign cash from BP than any other politician. This is clearly on the Obama Administration and their lack of attention to what goes on and being frozen at the switch after the fact. This disaster and our sorry President's response just make me sick. We make all the wrong moves too late to do any real preventative action. We even refused help from abroad because of the Jones Act to make sure workers were from some sorry union. You mean those Republican nominated people in MMS? Republican efforts to deregulate everything are probably not the proximate cause of the financial disaster and the oils spill response, but they are darned close to it. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 17, 2010 14:59:13 GMT -8
MMS and you were both asleep when they should have been enforcing existing regulation and inspections and you should have taken note of it. This and the fact that Obama has taken more campaign cash from BP than any other politician. This is clearly on the Obama Administration and their lack of attention to what goes on and being frozen at the switch after the fact. This disaster and our sorry President's response just make me sick. We make all the wrong moves too late to do any real preventative action. We even refused help from abroad because of the Jones Act to make sure workers were from some sorry union. You mean those Republican nominated people in MMS? Republican efforts to deregulate everything are probably not the proximate cause of the financial disaster and the oils spill response, but they are darned close to it. What were they still doing there? This is Obama's problem and no dancing around looking for a GOP scapegoat will change that. |
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Post by davdesid on Jul 17, 2010 16:11:17 GMT -8
You mean those Republican nominated people in MMS? Republican efforts to deregulate everything are probably not the proximate cause of the financial disaster and the oils spill response, but they are darned close to it. What were they still doing there? This is Obama's problem and no dancing around looking for a GOP scapegoat will change that. Interesting article: tinyurl.com/29cz2nwWhere was Mort 18 months ago? OBTW, read the article, but don't skip the comments! heh....  |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 22, 2010 1:56:49 GMT -8
Additional jobless benefits hinge on House vote- AP
A House vote Thursday is expected to send President Barack Obama a long-sought measure to resume unemployment payments to millions of people whose benefits have lapsed.
OH BOY!
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 22, 2010 10:37:09 GMT -8
Congress has approved a six-month extension of emergency jobless benefits for the long-term unemployed. The House gave the measure final approval and sent it on to the White House.
The bill will revive a program that provides up to 99 weeks of income support to those who have exhausted state benefits, immediately restoring aid to nearly 3 million people who have seen their checks cut off since the program expired June 2.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 22, 2010 14:58:48 GMT -8
Business will tend not to invest when they aren't sure of the rules under which the results of their investment will be subject. I am sure oil companies would not have invested in drilling in the gulf if they thought the government would just ban drilling and force them to sit on unproductive assets. If an investment requires power, the business has to assume the price of power in their projections. With Cap and Trade pending they have no idea. If they hire employees they need to calculate the cost of labor, they can't because of all the mandates the government is posting upon the employer. The list just goes on and on and investment dries up. On the flip side those with money to lend find a great entity to borrow their money - government. Why lend to a business man who has a great idea when the government will take the money and guarantee a return. This dries up funds to small business. This government stifles economic growth at all turns.
Everyone in this thread who talks about how Roosevelt spent to end the depression doesn't know history. He spent all right but the depression remained until WWII.
Unemployment benefits also follows economics basic supply and demand curve. The government supplies an incentive not work at a price. There is a demand for that incentive. To say that paying people not to work doesn't make people decide not to work is crazy. At the price the government offers there is a demand. That is why 40% of the people on unemployment benefits find jobs the week their benefits subside or the week after. The government should use a fade technique with their benefits. You get 10% less every month. That would phase in the loss of demand over an extended period. That would be better than cutting off the benefit. Anyone who really couldn't survive could apply for "other" benefits on a need basis.
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