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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 14, 2011 11:52:06 GMT -8
It goes without saying that the violence we are seeing in Britain is extremely disturbing. How could a culture, one traditionally characterized by calm, even stoic behavior, have created the kind of subhuman monsters that have been running wild recently? Who are these rioters? What has caused them to behave this way? What can be done about it? And, most importantly, will we be seeing the same sort of thing here in America. We have best ask ourselves these questions and come up with good answers before it is too late. Here are some clues . . . tinyurl.com/3jompksAzWm |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 14, 2011 13:35:28 GMT -8
This is disturbing. The idea that these young folks on the dole put no value on what they have because they give nothing to get it. Worse yet is that they resent those who do work and pay for the support of the underclass. We see some of this in New Orleans, Detroit, Newark, and Oakland. The worst thought is that they can vote for even worse conditions.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 14, 2011 21:40:39 GMT -8
It is interesting to note that we did not have this kind of lawless violence during the Great Depression. There was violence associated with strikes, yes, but really nothing like the mindless rioting that is rocking the UK. Here are the facts about the generally low crime rate during the Great Depssion. . . www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97234406AzWm |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 15, 2011 8:45:40 GMT -8
It is interesting to note that we did not have this kind of lawless violence during the Great Depression. There was violence associated with strikes, yes, but really nothing like the mindless rioting that is rocking the UK. Here are the facts about the generally low crime rate during the Great Depssion. . . www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97234406AzWm Thanks, William. I am a student of history and a teacher of same. Though I studied American History I had never read about the crime during the Depression. I think like most I assumed that with Dillinger, Machine Gun Kelley, Baby Face Nelson and all of the others that crime was up during the Depression. Now, I find that was not the case. It makes you wonder just how much we actually KNOW and how much we think we know. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Aug 18, 2011 16:22:11 GMT -8
Some of these young people come from brokenness, shallowness and terror, and are bringing those things into the world with them. Here are some statistics of what someone last week called a new lost generation. In 2009, the last year for which census data are available, there were 74 million children under 18. Of that number, 20 million live in single-parent families, often with only an overwhelmed mother or a beleaguered grandmother. Over 700,000 children under 18 have been the subject of reports of abuse. More than a quarter million are foster children.
These numbers suggest the making—or the presence—of a crisis.
While I'll agree that the foster child system sucks, I think the rest is questionable at best. I was raised by a single mother and a grandmother and it never occurred to me to engage in the sort of violent behavior the author chronicles. Nor do I think that the reality is what Pooh suggests - I knew some very violent people when I was a kid who came from two parent families not "on the dole". Most of them had fathers who were verbally or physically abusive or both.
The answers for this are just too pat. It's because people are on the dole. It's because society has become to lenient. It's because people are pissed off about the corruption epitomized by the News of the World scandal.
In '68 there were "riots" in O.B. every holiday from Spring break to Labor Day. I put riots in quotes because a bunch of bored kids sitting on the wall at the end of Newport Street decided to toss water balloons at cars going by. The cops decided to bust heads and it escalated. By Memorial Day they were throwing eggs. By July 4th they were trying to punch out cops and on Labor Day weekend the cops decided to use the "riots" as an excuse to hammer the ex-con drug dealers in north O.B. and a cop wound up with a broken foot because someone hit him with a brick.
My point isn't that any of it was a "police riot", although what happened in Chicago that year undoubtedly fueled some of it, but rather that quite often these things grow out of rather stupid but nonviolent, non-looting events. And since it was '68, a fair number of political ideologues got involved after Memorial Day and that's always a bad recipe.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Aug 19, 2011 16:01:43 GMT -8
It goes without saying that the violence we are seeing in Britain is extremely disturbing. How could a culture, one traditionally characterized by calm, even stoic behavior, have created the kind of subhuman monsters that have been running wild recently? Who are these rioters? What has caused them to behave this way? What can be done about it? And, most importantly, will we be seeing the same sort of thing here in America. We have best ask ourselves these questions and come up with good answers before it is too late. Here are some clues . . . tinyurl.com/3jompksAzWm And yet again no response from the libertarian ideologue who has shown once again that he doesn't have the balls to back up his posts. $#!+ or get off the pot Willy. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 20, 2011 8:01:54 GMT -8
Some of these young people come from brokenness, shallowness and terror, and are bringing those things into the world with them. Here are some statistics of what someone last week called a new lost generation. In 2009, the last year for which census data are available, there were 74 million children under 18. Of that number, 20 million live in single-parent families, often with only an overwhelmed mother or a beleaguered grandmother. Over 700,000 children under 18 have been the subject of reports of abuse. More than a quarter million are foster children.
These numbers suggest the making—or the presence—of a crisis. While I'll agree that the foster child system sucks, I think the rest is questionable at best. I was raised by a single mother and a grandmother and it never occurred to me to engage in the sort of violent behavior the author chronicles. Nor do I think that the reality is what Pooh suggests - I knew some very violent people when I was a kid who came from two parent families not "on the dole". Most of them had fathers who were verbally or physically abusive or both. The answers for this are just too pat. It's because people are on the dole. It's because society has become to lenient. It's because people are pissed off about the corruption epitomized by the News of the World scandal. In '68 there were "riots" in O.B. every holiday from Spring break to Labor Day. I put riots in quotes because a bunch of bored kids sitting on the wall at the end of Newport Street decided to toss water balloons at cars going by. The cops decided to bust heads and it escalated. By Memorial Day they were throwing eggs. By July 4th they were trying to punch out cops and on Labor Day weekend the cops decided to use the "riots" as an excuse to hammer the ex-con drug dealers in north O.B. and a cop wound up with a broken foot because someone hit him with a brick. My point isn't that any of it was a "police riot", although what happened in Chicago that year undoubtedly fueled some of it, but rather that quite often these things grow out of rather stupid but nonviolent, non-looting events. And since it was '68, a fair number of political ideologues got involved after Memorial Day and that's always a bad recipe. =Bob I don't think that your challenging childhood or your participation in drug fueled civil chaos says anything about what is happening in the UK. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Aug 24, 2011 16:47:59 GMT -8
Some of these young people come from brokenness, shallowness and terror, and are bringing those things into the world with them. Here are some statistics of what someone last week called a new lost generation. In 2009, the last year for which census data are available, there were 74 million children under 18. Of that number, 20 million live in single-parent families, often with only an overwhelmed mother or a beleaguered grandmother. Over 700,000 children under 18 have been the subject of reports of abuse. More than a quarter million are foster children.
These numbers suggest the making—or the presence—of a crisis. While I'll agree that the foster child system sucks, I think the rest is questionable at best. I was raised by a single mother and a grandmother and it never occurred to me to engage in the sort of violent behavior the author chronicles. Nor do I think that the reality is what Pooh suggests - I knew some very violent people when I was a kid who came from two parent families not "on the dole". Most of them had fathers who were verbally or physically abusive or both. The answers for this are just too pat. It's because people are on the dole. It's because society has become to lenient. It's because people are pissed off about the corruption epitomized by the News of the World scandal. In '68 there were "riots" in O.B. every holiday from Spring break to Labor Day. I put riots in quotes because a bunch of bored kids sitting on the wall at the end of Newport Street decided to toss water balloons at cars going by. The cops decided to bust heads and it escalated. By Memorial Day they were throwing eggs. By July 4th they were trying to punch out cops and on Labor Day weekend the cops decided to use the "riots" as an excuse to hammer the ex-con drug dealers in north O.B. and a cop wound up with a broken foot because someone hit him with a brick. My point isn't that any of it was a "police riot", although what happened in Chicago that year undoubtedly fueled some of it, but rather that quite often these things grow out of rather stupid but nonviolent, non-looting events. And since it was '68, a fair number of political ideologues got involved after Memorial Day and that's always a bad recipe. =Bob I don't think that your challenging childhood or your participation in drug fueled civil chaos says anything about what is happening in the UK. And I don't think someone raised in Montana in the '40s and '50s in a two-parent home and who joined the Nav at age 18 has anything at all to say on the matter. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 25, 2011 11:41:43 GMT -8
I don't think that your challenging childhood or your participation in drug fueled civil chaos says anything about what is happening in the UK. And I don't think someone raised in Montana in the '40s and '50s in a two-parent home and who joined the Nav at age 18 has anything at all to say on the matter. =Bob A clear headed analysis of this and any other matter has a better chance at understanding than the unwashed wanta be hippies in OB. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 1, 2011 17:41:20 GMT -8
It goes without saying that the violence we are seeing in Britain is extremely disturbing. How could a culture, one traditionally characterized by calm, even stoic behavior, have created the kind of subhuman monsters that have been running wild recently? Who are these rioters? What has caused them to behave this way? What can be done about it? And, most importantly, will we be seeing the same sort of thing here in America. We have best ask ourselves these questions and come up with good answers before it is too late. Here are some clues . . . tinyurl.com/3jompksAzWm And yet again no response from the libertarian ideologue who has shown once again that he doesn't have the balls to back up his posts. $#!+ or get off the pot Willy. =Bob Okay, I admit I'lm clueless at this point. Just what was I supposed to back up? My purpose was to share my concern about the riots in England and to wonder why they have occurred, and also to wonder whether such a thing might happen here. I posed a number of questions. . . real questions, not rhetorical ones . . . and was hoping for others to comment on them. AzWm |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Sept 26, 2011 8:30:29 GMT -8
From history, I do know that England has long tradition of civil defiance in the poorer masses.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 13:34:10 GMT -8
Wow are you lacking in British history, MY ancestors were violent as hell en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_ReiversmY current relatives in Ulster the ones iun the UDF and Red Hand Commandos actually threw hand grenades at a Catholic funeral for an Ira man. IN the streets of Glasgow when kids meet the ask Scots or Irish,Ranger or Celtic and its on. America was built on violence we love it we can not get enough of it and it is coming to a wealthy suburb near you. One Million gang bangers with AK47s. Its is not safe to go out at night in Edinburgh,London,Birminhamabad |
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