Pay for men vs women.

[AztecWilliam]

Do women get paid less for doing the same work? Are women discriminated against in the work place? Well, those questions are a bit more complex than some like to admit.

What we have here is a basic cultural pattern that is not easy to change.

www.city-journal.org/2011/21_3_gender-gap.html#cform

AzWm

[aztecwin]

Women are able to do most jobs just as well as men and deserve the same compensation. The problem is we have a labor marketplace and artificial interference throws it out of balance.

[Bob Forsythe]

Aug 4, 2011 16:54:39 GMT -8 aztecwin said:

Women are able to do most jobs just as well as men and deserve the same compensation. The problem is we have a labor marketplace and artificial interference throws it out of balance.

I see. Your argument is that if government were to get out of the way women would be treated the same as men. Please offer us evidence of that.

The sad part is you believe your bull$#!+ comments about working class women absolves you. You really have no clue what it's like to grow up in a working poor family with a single mother.

=Bob

[The Great Aztec Joe]

And if you think it is bad now, wait until Sharia Law becomes the law of the land.

[aztecwin]

Aug 5, 2011 17:27:22 GMT -8 Bob Forsythe said:

Aug 4, 2011 16:54:39 GMT -8 aztecwin said:

Women are able to do most jobs just as well as men and deserve the same compensation. The problem is we have a labor marketplace and artificial interference throws it out of balance.

I see. Your argument is that if government were to get out of the way women would be treated the same as men. Please offer us evidence of that.

The sad part is you believe your bull$#!+ comments about working class women absolves you. You really have no clue what it's like to grow up in a working poor family with a single mother.

=Bob

I make no such argument. Just the opposite. If there was a complete free market, women would make even less than they do now. It is not really fair but there are many reasons for it and some pretty good ideas of why that is the way it should be in lots of occupations.

I do know what it is like to grow up in a poor family part of the time. Trouble is we never stayed that way due to hard work so my experience being really needy or thinking that we were needy was a very short period at the end of WW2.

[Bob Forsythe]

Aug 6, 2011 14:23:11 GMT -8 aztecwin said:

Aug 5, 2011 17:27:22 GMT -8 Bob Forsythe said:

I see. Your argument is that if government were to get out of the way women would be treated the same as men. Please offer us evidence of that.

The sad part is you believe your bull$#!+ comments about working class women absolves you. You really have no clue what it's like to grow up in a working poor family with a single mother.

=Bob

I make no such argument. Just the opposite. If there was a complete free market, women would make even less than they do now. It is not really fair but there are many reasons for it and some pretty good ideas of why that is the way it should be in lots of occupations.

I do know what it is like to grow up in a poor family part of the time. Trouble is we never stayed that way due to hard work so my experience being really needy or thinking that we were needy was a very short period at the end of WW2.

As opposed to my experience growing up in a working poor family my entire childhood? I learned from that experience and did better, but I also understand the problem given I was raised by a mother born in 1917 and had a HS education and a grandmother and great-uncle who were born in 1888 and 1898 respectively and both of who had 10th grade educations.

And I think that translates to now because there is so little emphasis on education - it's one of the first things cut from educational budgets. I'm willing to bet you grew up with a lot of kids whose parents thought getting through 10th grade was enough education. Among the working poor that still exists and the result of that thinking is a ton of young men who have no job skills.

Only problem is we're in a post-industrial society where education counts for everything and the right wing sees nothing wrong with demanding standardized tests that have nothing to do with training kids who aren't college material. But then again, with most manufacturing having been moved to China, the question is what can we develop that they can get jobs doing?

I wouldn't care to see an English class based system where school is based upon family income but really, I knew a lot of kids in high school who should have been taking 4 hours of shop classes along with a couple hours of business writing and math instead of what's happening now with all of them having to pass standardized tests.

I had a 1.55 GPA coming out of HS and graduated 625 in a class of 675 at Pt. Loma High but I aced most every intelligence test I took, well, at least in social science. Kids who can do that should be noticed early and channeled toward their talents while kids who can't but are capable of other skills should be channeled toward those.

=Bob

[The Great Aztec Joe]

Sharia Law will bring back all of the old disparities that men were totally tolerant of years ago.

[Bob Forsythe]

Aug 12, 2011 7:51:19 GMT -8 The Great Aztec Joe said:

Sharia Law will bring back all of the old disparities that men were totally tolerant of years ago.

Dear God - f****** YAWN. Sorry Joe, but your comments are really quite idiotic. Please take a long walk off a short pier because a walk on the O.B. Pier might do you some good.

=Bob

[aztecwin]

Aug 9, 2011 18:05:24 GMT -8 Bob Forsythe said:

Aug 6, 2011 14:23:11 GMT -8 aztecwin said:

I make no such argument. Just the opposite. If there was a complete free market, women would make even less than they do now. It is not really fair but there are many reasons for it and some pretty good ideas of why that is the way it should be in lots of occupations.

I do know what it is like to grow up in a poor family part of the time. Trouble is we never stayed that way due to hard work so my experience being really needy or thinking that we were needy was a very short period at the end of WW2.

As opposed to my experience growing up in a working poor family my entire childhood? I learned from that experience and did better, but I also understand the problem given I was raised by a mother born in 1917 and had a HS education and a grandmother and great-uncle who were born in 1888 and 1898 respectively and both of who had 10th grade educations.

And I think that translates to now because there is so little emphasis on education - it's one of the first things cut from educational budgets. I'm willing to bet you grew up with a lot of kids whose parents thought getting through 10th grade was enough education. Among the working poor that still exists and the result of that thinking is a ton of young men who have no job skills.

Only problem is we're in a post-industrial society where education counts for everything and the right wing sees nothing wrong with demanding standardized tests that have nothing to do with training kids who aren't college material. But then again, with most manufacturing having been moved to China, the question is what can we develop that they can get jobs doing?

I wouldn't care to see an English class based system where school is based upon family income but really, I knew a lot of kids in high school who should have been taking 4 hours of shop classes along with a couple hours of business writing and math instead of what's happening now with all of them having to pass standardized tests.

I had a 1.55 GPA coming out of HS and graduated 625 in a class of 675 at Pt. Loma High but I aced most every intelligence test I took, well, at least in social science. Kids who can do that should be noticed early and channeled toward their talents while kids who can't but are capable of other skills should be channeled toward those.

=Bob

You are right about education being very important. You have to ask yourself what good is some bogus Social Science Degree do you when Business has to pass those folks over and import an Engineer from India or just export the job. We could provide twice the education with half the money by cutting out things that do not matter.