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Post by aztecryan on Jul 12, 2010 15:49:27 GMT -8
That's because St. Mary's had substantially better three point shooting, I'd be willing to bet....run and gun teams don't necessarily equate to higher scoring. The only reason we didn't run as much over the last couple of seasons is the lack of depth and various injuries. With a full roster, this should be a team that thrives in transition with its athletic wings and forwards wreaking havoc in the open floor.
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 12, 2010 15:51:52 GMT -8
We can throw out all kinds of stats and numbers....Bottom line....
Fisher likes very mobile big men.
That doesn't mean he won't take Caudill. But if it comes between Caudill and an equal talent that can get up and down the floor, he is taking the runner.
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Post by sdsuphilip on Jul 12, 2010 16:14:21 GMT -8
Pretty sure we used it over the last couple of seasons, Phil....Caudill is more of a fit for a team like ASU, the team he originally verballed to. might want to check the numbers, cause we havent been a running team in a while |
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Post by sdsuphilip on Jul 12, 2010 16:15:19 GMT -8
this open court system we haven't used in years Philip, trust me when I say this is the voice of experience talking. Sometimes when history has shown that one knows a fraction as much about a topic as someone with whom he disagrees, it's a good idea for the former person to just accept that rather than further displaying his ignorance by publicly criticizing that more knowledgeable person. more b.s from the horses mouth |
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Post by Pssst13 on Jul 12, 2010 16:35:24 GMT -8
Just to clarify, yes. I've heard one of his major weaknesses is that he doesn't run the floor very well. In an open-court system such as one Fisher utilizes, you need more athletic, mobile big men who can run the floor. I'm not opposed to Caudill as a player, but I think he's a better fit for a half-court team. this open court system we haven't used in years What basketball team have you been watching? Dude, you just sounded like you know nothing about basketball, do you? |
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Post by pokinsky on Jul 12, 2010 16:50:51 GMT -8
other than running off of steals or turnovers .. we weren't a running team and have't been since Heath left 4 years ago. We walk the ball up off of made baskets and we don't really push it off of defensive rebounds either.
and the few games last year that we were forced into a faster tempo, we got killed because of turnovers and missed shots (see at wyoming and at byu)
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Post by monty on Jul 12, 2010 17:30:53 GMT -8
We're not LMU or UNLV of the early 90s, but we're not princenton or old man Bennet teams - Fisher's strength has been melding the system to his talent. We don't run everytime we touch the ball but we don't slow everything down on purpose either. If the dude can help us and/or we have difficulty getting other big men with 5 spots to come I don't see a reason why a big banger type wouldn't be on the menu. I'd love to keep getting the long athletic dudes, but I'd be even happier if we got 2 or 3 of those and 1 or 2 bangers.
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Post by hoobs on Jul 12, 2010 18:40:08 GMT -8
Gessus crimeny you morons. To say that the big kid does not fit Fisher's system does not mean that the Aztecs are a 'Run-n-Gun' team. Fisher uses a relatively normal version of the motion offense that is ill-suited to large, un-athletic guys in the middle. In Fisher's offense, even the 5 needs to be able to move.
That is NOT the same thing as being a running team. "Open court system" is the same thing as a motion offense, or close enough for gov't work. Do we not understand the difference between these is pretty poor.
Oy.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 12, 2010 18:47:33 GMT -8
I didn't mean to imply that we were Memphis under Calipari, just simply to clarify that we are not Princeton or ASU under Sendek. Didn't think it would spark a debate.  |
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Post by hoobs on Jul 12, 2010 19:35:44 GMT -8
I didn't mean to imply that we were Memphis under Calipari, just simply to clarify that we are not Princeton or ASU under Sendek. Didn't think it would spark a debate. |
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Post by pokinsky on Jul 12, 2010 20:14:04 GMT -8
We're not LMU or UNLV of the early 90s, but we're not princenton or old man Bennet teams - Fisher's strength has been melding the system to his talent. We don't run everytime we touch the ball but we don't slow everything down on purpose either. If the dude can help us and/or we have difficulty getting other big men with 5 spots to come I don't see a reason why a big banger type wouldn't be on the menu. I'd love to keep getting the long athletic dudes, but I'd be even happier if we got 2 or 3 of those and 1 or 2 bangers. this is the main point. the PF and C recruits in Cali for 2011 are about half what they usually are. Fisher doesn't have a ton to pick from. Maxey and Garrett are more athletic, but they do very little other than rebound and block shots right now. it seems Caudill is much more skilled around the hoop. and every team should have at least one big bodied big, for certain match ups on D, if nothing else. and Hoobs ... in this motion offense that we run, doesn't the post player just rotate from block to block and set screens? |
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Post by hoobs on Jul 13, 2010 2:57:11 GMT -8
and Hoobs ... in this motion offense that we run, doesn't the post player just rotate from block to block and set screens? No, the post players must also at times move out to the perimeter to open up driving lanes for the guards, etc. |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 13, 2010 10:41:33 GMT -8
Pretty sure we used it over the last couple of seasons, Phil....Caudill is more of a fit for a team like ASU, the team he originally verballed to. might want to check the numbers, cause we havent been a running team in a while We have not recently had great depth. We chose to expend most of our energy on the defensive end. We run, very well, when the opportunity presents itself. With better depth we will not only run more on offense but also press more on defense. Depth is the key. |
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Post by pokinsky on Jul 13, 2010 11:44:49 GMT -8
But the argument is not really .... do we, or will we run, but rather ... does a slower, plodding big man (like Caudill or Garrett) fit our team and our system?
I think every coach would prefer a 6'11 do-it-all athletic C over a slow unathletic one, of course .. but those players are limited. SDSU has been successful with non traditional C's like Amaroso, Abukar, Slaughter, etc that weren't traditional post players but they could run, they were fairly solid shooters, rebounders, and defenders.
And the bigger and heavier guys like Camara, Lamb and even Carlwell have not been as successful because they were not very good ... not because of the system. Camara and Lamb were clumsy and slow and Carlwell has butter hands.
Samhan (and players like him) would thrive in "our system". And BYU plays at the fastest pace of any MWC team, and they do it year after year with unathletic post players, because it allows their guards to take chances on D knowing they have a big guy defending the rim.
It will be interesting to see if we get Caudill 6'11 270 or Maxey 6'11 220 because their games and skill sets are polar opposites. But if you surround either player with talented guards and wings, ... we will still be successful.
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Post by mc on Jul 13, 2010 12:02:30 GMT -8
Is Robert Garrett the big guy on the Green team? If so, he seems to be faster and thinner than Camara www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIP8BRe8HZ4He scores at 2:07, back to back at 2:50 and finally at 3:55 |
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Post by pokinsky on Jul 16, 2010 14:11:10 GMT -8
this has nothing to do with garrett ... I just didn't want to start a new thread for more PF/C recruit news. Pangos listed the top rated Centers/Power Forwards in southern ca and SDSU is after a few of them ... #5 Ronnie Stevens 6'9 " his real strength is his ability to defend in the paint" #6 Damiene Cain 6'7"Active power-forward with a nice back-to-the-basket game is a dependable mid-range scorer too" #7 Greg Sequele 6'8"Bouncy forward is a very long athlete that plays above the rim" #8 Caudill 6'11 "Huge center has a decent face-up scoring touch that extends to the 3-point line, but does not move well enough to compete effectively against high-major athletes and lacks the physicality and aggressiveness to be a force near the cup" A few of the top combo forwards are in the mix as well ... #1 Anderson 6'7"Excellent perimeter shooter is also a fine passer" #6 Eric Norman 6'7 "Skilled swingman has an impressive mid-range game as well as a potent 3-point stroke" www.fullctpress.net/2010socalrankings4.html www.fullctpress.net/10socalrankingscenterforwards.html |
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