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Post by monty on Jul 10, 2010 15:37:18 GMT -8
San Diego is just a lot smaller than the whole LA area - we seem to be attacking Riverside and Eastern San Gabriel Valley, which is rather smart - the younger families have tended to move east, there is lots of talent there and good connexions can be made. We'd have to be a national level team to win just getting San Diego area talent - but within 2-3 hours there are hundreds of D1 talent. The better teams in San Diego/talent could compete anywhere, but Southern Section has what 14 divisions and then there is City Section.
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Post by ramrodd23 on Jul 10, 2010 17:35:04 GMT -8
Just look at the Padres within the past 10 yrs. Any player that they have drafted from the San Diego area with the exception of Adrian Gonzales has been a "bust." Dumbest post ever. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 10, 2010 17:51:13 GMT -8
Just look at the Padres within the past 10 yrs. Any player that they have drafted from the San Diego area with the exception of Adrian Gonzales has been a "bust." Dumbest post ever. I must tell you that I have seen many posts that were far dumber. Some may even have been mine! AzWm |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 10, 2010 18:07:08 GMT -8
It's quite true that the best player in the correct position is the most important factor. Hometown is secondary.
However, what is important about getting some of the best SD County talent is the fact that a top program is going to get even the best kids, or at least a few of them, to stick around. A program can survive with kids from elsewhere, sure. When the 3-5 star guys begin stying home, then it's clear that you have a highly respected program.
Take a look at USC's 2010 class (I'll ignore for the moment that some may jump ship.) Here's the breakdown.
From out of state: 6
From No Cal: 1
From So Cal: 13 (with only one, Baxter, from San Diego)
Do you think that if LA State still had a fooball team that some of these top rated guys would have chosen that school rather than USC? Nope! If USC were not here, and LA State still played football, those top guys would have gone somewhere else. Same thing for Nebraska. No offense to Lincoln, but do you think kids go there for the biology classes or the surfing?
AzWm
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Post by aztecgold on Jul 11, 2010 9:10:07 GMT -8
This implied SD fence is overrated. I Have seen more "bust" from the San Diego area than any other area in Cali. People want to cite the one or two that actually make it big time from SD which is fine. But BSU and Utah have built their program on second tier players from the LA area. LA area player are a lot more tougher players. Im the type of person who doesn't really care where they come from as long as they are winner, though minded, actually attend school, and are not criminals. Just look at the Padres within the past 10 yrs. Any player that they have drafted from the San Diego area with the exception of Adrian Gonzales has been a "bust." You are way overstating your position on this one as San Diego is producing some very good talent. Of course LA and So. Cal is a MUCH bigger and more populous area so they will have more depth of talent. I think the point you are missing is that if you can get the top players to stay at home that will greatly improve the chances with other top players. I think you will find that BSU gets several players from LA, but gets ALL the best players from Idaho. If SDSU got some good players from other areas plus ALL the best players from San Diego they would be very good. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jul 11, 2010 18:17:30 GMT -8
Something there is that doesn't love a wall Something there is that doesn't love a wall I wonder whether anyone else got your reference there...[/quote] John, you really can't believe you're the only one on here who's read Frost. =Bob |
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Post by dshawfan on Jul 11, 2010 18:23:57 GMT -8
As far as why don't we recruit kids from other areas that want to get away from home to play, I think it comes down to "dollars and sense." (I'm talking common sense not pennies  ) They have a limited amount of money allotted for recruiting and a limited amount of time to recruit. Now where can we get the most bang for our buck? Obviously SoCal and the then the rest of the State are where we can make the best use of both time and money. We can go see a kid play in person, we can make more visits to more campuses. We can just do a much better job of doing our due diligence on a kid that is closer to our backyard. And just how do we go about finding the legit player out of State that legitimately wants to play away from home and not just take a recruiting trip? Divining rod? Ouija Board? Cutting cards? Sure every once in awhile the blind squirrel finds the acorn as the Aztecs did with Faulk, but we obviously did not know what we had and had LSU told him he was a RB he would have never left Louisiana. I just think it is a pretty risky proposition to think we can consistently go some distance to find legit talent that will come to the Mesa. I like the present plan they seem to be implementing with the focus on SoCal, the rest of the State, and then Nev/AZ with an occasional dip into Texas. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 11, 2010 18:27:31 GMT -8
The term fence makes people expect us to get all the D1 talent in SD, and implies failure if we don't. Hoke needs to focus on guys that fit what he wants in a student athlete. It doesn't matter where he gets them from as long as we win. The years have taught us that if you have a respectable football program you can usually keep about half of the local talent that you are competing with other schools for. I'm talking about three star and above kids. Coryell had no problem. Gilbert had to revamp his recruiting from JC to high school, but he was making fantastic inroads when he was fired. Since then it has all been down hill. Al Lunginbill came close, but his best recruits were from other regions. Hoke is bringing in a lot of kids who are low on the radar. He obviously is not going head to head with UCLA and Cal for talent. Only time will tell on the kids he brings in. Rankings on HS talent have never been perfect. |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 12, 2010 10:01:21 GMT -8
As far as why don't we recruit kids from other areas that want to get away from home to play, I think it comes down to "dollars and sense." (I'm talking common sense not pennies ) They have a limited amount of money allotted for recruiting and a limited amount of time to recruit. Now where can we get the most bang for our buck? Obviously SoCal and the then the rest of the State are where we can make the best use of both time and money. We can go see a kid play in person, we can make more visits to more campuses. We can just do a much better job of doing our due diligence on a kid that is closer to our backyard. And just how do we go about finding the legit player out of State that legitimately wants to play away from home and not just take a recruiting trip? Divining rod? Ouija Board? Cutting cards? Sure every once in awhile the blind squirrel finds the acorn as the Aztecs did with Faulk, but we obviously did not know what we had and had LSU told him he was a RB he would have never left Louisiana. I just think it is a pretty risky proposition to think we can consistently go some distance to find legit talent that will come to the Mesa. I like the present plan they seem to be implementing with the focus on SoCal, the rest of the State, and then Nev/AZ with an occasional dip into Texas. Under the category of winning solves eveything: If we start drawing 45K a game instead of a season, the extra money would allow more out of state recruiting. |
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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Jul 12, 2010 11:15:27 GMT -8
Something there is that doesn't love a wall I wonder whether anyone else got your reference there... John, you really can't believe you're the only one on here who's read Frost. =Bob[/quote] How fast can this Frost dude run the 40? ;D |
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Post by dshawfan on Jul 12, 2010 11:22:40 GMT -8
As far as why don't we recruit kids from other areas that want to get away from home to play, I think it comes down to "dollars and sense." (I'm talking common sense not pennies ) They have a limited amount of money allotted for recruiting and a limited amount of time to recruit. Now where can we get the most bang for our buck? Obviously SoCal and the then the rest of the State are where we can make the best use of both time and money. We can go see a kid play in person, we can make more visits to more campuses. We can just do a much better job of doing our due diligence on a kid that is closer to our backyard. And just how do we go about finding the legit player out of State that legitimately wants to play away from home and not just take a recruiting trip? Divining rod? Ouija Board? Cutting cards? Sure every once in awhile the blind squirrel finds the acorn as the Aztecs did with Faulk, but we obviously did not know what we had and had LSU told him he was a RB he would have never left Louisiana. I just think it is a pretty risky proposition to think we can consistently go some distance to find legit talent that will come to the Mesa. I like the present plan they seem to be implementing with the focus on SoCal, the rest of the State, and then Nev/AZ with an occasional dip into Texas. Under the category of winning solves eveything: If we start drawing 45K a game instead of a season, the extra money would allow more out of state recruiting. We'll cross that bridge when we get to it ;D |
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Post by monty on Jul 12, 2010 11:28:33 GMT -8
I wonder whether anyone else got your reference there... John, you really can't believe you're the only one on here who's read Frost. =Bob How fast can this Frost dude run the 40? ;D[/quote] Not sure, but he's very dependable and has a good motor - He has promises to keep and miles to go before he sleeps I repeat: miles to go before he sleeps |
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Post by monty on Jul 12, 2010 11:29:56 GMT -8
As far as why don't we recruit kids from other areas that want to get away from home to play, I think it comes down to "dollars and sense." (I'm talking common sense not pennies ) They have a limited amount of money allotted for recruiting and a limited amount of time to recruit. Now where can we get the most bang for our buck? Obviously SoCal and the then the rest of the State are where we can make the best use of both time and money. We can go see a kid play in person, we can make more visits to more campuses. We can just do a much better job of doing our due diligence on a kid that is closer to our backyard. And just how do we go about finding the legit player out of State that legitimately wants to play away from home and not just take a recruiting trip? Divining rod? Ouija Board? Cutting cards? Sure every once in awhile the blind squirrel finds the acorn as the Aztecs did with Faulk, but we obviously did not know what we had and had LSU told him he was a RB he would have never left Louisiana. I just think it is a pretty risky proposition to think we can consistently go some distance to find legit talent that will come to the Mesa. I like the present plan they seem to be implementing with the focus on SoCal, the rest of the State, and then Nev/AZ with an occasional dip into Texas. Under the category of winning solves eveything: If we start drawing 45K a game instead of a season, the extra money would allow more out of state recruiting. So much talent in socal, let alone including the whole state, that I don't understand budgeting for travel costs and paying more for the scholarship to go out of state. |
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Post by McQuervo on Jul 12, 2010 11:58:41 GMT -8
I like the word "fence" and there is no doubt that Hoke is succeeding in that goal more than Chuck Long. Lets get it done!!! Yep unlike your buddy- Hoke has actually stepped foot on the campus of Vista, RBV, Oceanside and Carlsbad. The other joker NEVER DID! That pesky "work" thing... |
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 12, 2010 13:03:57 GMT -8
I like the word "fence" and there is no doubt that Hoke is succeeding in that goal more than Chuck Long. Lets get it done!!! Yep unlike your buddy- Hoke has actually stepped foot on the campus of Vista, RBV, Oceanside and Carlsbad. The other joker NEVER DID! That pesky "work" thing... Well, my buddy?... Got Lindley, Burris, Yarbourgh, Bolanos, Draheim, Josh Wade, DJ Shields, and many others that are going to contribute this year and all of them were from SD County. So he did get a few locals, didn't he McQ? |
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Post by OnionHead on Jul 12, 2010 14:47:40 GMT -8
Yep unlike your buddy- Hoke has actually stepped foot on the campus of Vista, RBV, Oceanside and Carlsbad. The other joker NEVER DID! That pesky "work" thing... Well, my buddy?... Got Lindley, Burris, Yarbourgh, Bolanos, Draheim, Josh Wade, DJ Shields, and many others that are going to contribute this year and all of them were from SD County. So he did get a few locals, didn't he McQ? Miles Burris is from NoCal. Granite Bay, I believe... |
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 12, 2010 15:20:30 GMT -8
Well, my buddy?... Got Lindley, Burris, Yarbourgh, Bolanos, Draheim, Josh Wade, DJ Shields, and many others that are going to contribute this year and all of them were from SD County. So he did get a few locals, didn't he McQ? Miles Burris is from NoCal. Granite Bay, I believe... Duly noted. I thought he was from Granite Hills. Not a bad pickup though. |
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