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Post by AztecWilliam on Jun 26, 2011 10:56:33 GMT -8
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 26, 2011 11:39:26 GMT -8
These experiments in Socialism always end in similar ways. Pretty soon you run out of people to victimize to pay for your socialism folly. You even get people trying to rationalize why this time it will all end up in a Utopian society and not just another collapse in a system.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jun 27, 2011 17:55:01 GMT -8
We have an object lesson in the Greek mess. I wonder whether certain left-of-center politicians will take note. Nah! AzWm I wonder when you'll understand the concept of political culture and understand that you cannot assume a political culture can be assumed to be a universal. But hey, feel free to tell us how the Greek economic situation can be translated to our economic situation. I'm sure your son will hit me with more penalty points but the simple fact is this - when it comes to these issues, you are a buffoon. You don't offer arguments, you offer nothing more than ideological sound bits. Feel free to expound on why the Greek situation is the same as ours. Christ, if you'd bothered to do a graduate degree in poli sci you would have been totally destroyed. But then again, your degrees are in language. But then again, you figure that because you can argue in a bar you can argue on here. Got news for you Buckwheat - it doesn't happen that way. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 27, 2011 20:40:50 GMT -8
Can you get "penalty points" for making an absurd post? Must be something more serious or =Bob would be long gone.  |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jun 28, 2011 16:32:20 GMT -8
Can you get "penalty points" for making an absurd post? Must be something more serious or =Bob would be long gone. Typical response from someone who has no understanding at all of political culture. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that it comes from someone who is self-educated and has never had to deal with seminar attacks on your opinions. =Bob |
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Post by uwaztec on Jun 28, 2011 18:57:14 GMT -8
These experiments in Socialism always end in similar ways. Pretty soon you run out of people to victimize to pay for your socialism folly. You even get people trying to rationalize why this time it will all end up in a Utopian society and not just another collapse in a system. Well Win seems like we have all benefited from "Socialism". I mentioned that I paid $90 a semester to get my degree from State... some others on here probably paid less. Bet they weren't complaining then. Looks like Bachman's husband has been getting big time government subsidies for his business for a few years. Look nobody's clean around here, its easy to hate the government until you need it....or can use it. |
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Post by azdick on Jun 29, 2011 9:46:50 GMT -8
These experiments in Socialism always end in similar ways. Pretty soon you run out of people to victimize to pay for your socialism folly. You even get people trying to rationalize why this time it will all end up in a Utopian society and not just another collapse in a system. Well Win seems like we have all benefited from "Socialism". I mentioned that I paid $90 a semester to get my degree from State... some others on here probably paid less. Bet they weren't complaining then. Looks like Bachman's husband has been getting big time government subsidies for his business for a few years. Look nobody's clean around here, its easy to hate the government until you need it....or can use it. Right wingers always conveniently "forget" all of the corporate welfare that goes on in this country, not to mention perks and special legislation to protect price gouging in pharmacuticals (the very last piece of legislation before the Summer recess). It's only when poor and old people are assisted that they attack the "socialist state." But hey, let's protect those Bush tax cuts, no matter who suffers. Don't you just love the fact that poor blind people in California are having their paltry benefit cut because a little band of Republican obstructionists in the state legislature don't want the public to vote on tax hikes? |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 29, 2011 13:56:36 GMT -8
These experiments in Socialism always end in similar ways. Pretty soon you run out of people to victimize to pay for your socialism folly. You even get people trying to rationalize why this time it will all end up in a Utopian society and not just another collapse in a system. Well Win seems like we have all benefited from "Socialism". I mentioned that I paid $90 a semester to get my degree from State... some others on here probably paid less. Bet they weren't complaining then. Looks like Bachman's husband has been getting big time government subsidies for his business for a few years. Look nobody's clean around here, its easy to hate the government until you need it....or can use it. Good points! The question remains and that is when do we go off the deep end or have we already? There comes a time when there is nothing left to give away and we may have arrived at that point. My college was even cheaper than yours as I went on a Government Degree Completion program while on active duty. I don't think any of us hate the government. We may dislike the people making policy at present and it is up to us to try to change the direction. |
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Post by tuff on Jun 30, 2011 7:52:48 GMT -8
Government is just too damn big and getting bigger. If our politicians don't change their ways, we are headed into the box canyon. And that's when the real economic pain will be horrendous.
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Post by davdesid on Jun 30, 2011 14:31:24 GMT -8
>>>>....a little band of Republican obstructionists in the state legislature don't want the public to vote on tax hikes?<<<< I have to agree with this. I do not understand why they are blocking a public vote on Moonbeam's taxes when all indications are that his taxes are rapidly losing support, even as reflected in the ultra-left Field Poll. www.pe.com/politics/miller/stories/PE_News_Local_D_field15.517d22.htmlPersonally, I'm chomping at the bit to have the opportunity to cast a NO vote. Oh well.... The GOP is called the 'stupid' party for a reason. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 30, 2011 17:12:30 GMT -8
>>>>....a little band of Republican obstructionists in the state legislature don't want the public to vote on tax hikes?<<<< I have to agree with this. I do not understand why they are blocking a public vote on Moonbeam's taxes when all indications are that his taxes are rapidly losing support, even as reflected in the ultra-left Field Poll. www.pe.com/politics/miller/stories/PE_News_Local_D_field15.517d22.htmlPersonally, I'm chomping at the bit to have the opportunity to cast a NO vote. Oh well.... The GOP is called the 'stupid' party for a reason. It does not seem to make sense to me either. Maybe the expense of a vote is a reason, but I don't see it. I really would vote "No", but if I really thought it would help and not just be another crutch for the Dems, I don't mind paying. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jun 30, 2011 18:45:11 GMT -8
Government is just too damn big and getting bigger. If our politicians don't change their ways, we are headed into the box canyon. And that's when the real economic pain will be horrendous. Thanks for the Republicant sound bites. =Bob |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jun 30, 2011 19:04:36 GMT -8
Well Win seems like we have all benefited from "Socialism". I mentioned that I paid $90 a semester to get my degree from State... some others on here probably paid less. Bet they weren't complaining then. Looks like Bachman's husband has been getting big time government subsidies for his business for a few years. Look nobody's clean around here, its easy to hate the government until you need it....or can use it. Good points! The question remains and that is when do we go off the deep end or have we already? There comes a time when there is nothing left to give away and we may have arrived at that point. My college was even cheaper than yours as I went on a Government Degree Completion program while on active duty. I don't think any of us hate the government. We may dislike the people making policy at present and it is up to us to try to change the direction. I always suspect there's a trap when you readily agree with someone but that being said, please respond to Ron Paul's arguments on military spending and the defense budget in general. Please defend why we shouldn't just leave Afghanistan and Iraq. Please defend why wh shouldn't close all of our overseas bases (I'm willing to accept bases in Korea, Ramstein and Diego Garcia). And please defend the notion that we need 14 carrier battle groups. Every empire in the history of this planet has failed because the cost of empire cannot be sustained. And really, right wing-nuts like you always bitch about public employee pensions while refusing to offer any sort of reforms when it comes to military pensions. It's not public employees who bring down empires, it's the military expense that does them in. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 1, 2011 10:30:57 GMT -8
Good points! The question remains and that is when do we go off the deep end or have we already? There comes a time when there is nothing left to give away and we may have arrived at that point. My college was even cheaper than yours as I went on a Government Degree Completion program while on active duty. I don't think any of us hate the government. We may dislike the people making policy at present and it is up to us to try to change the direction. I always suspect there's a trap when you readily agree with someone but that being said, please respond to Ron Paul's arguments on military spending and the defense budget in general. Please defend why we shouldn't just leave Afghanistan and Iraq. Please defend why wh shouldn't close all of our overseas bases (I'm willing to accept bases in Korea, Ramstein and Diego Garcia). And please defend the notion that we need 14 carrier battle groups. Every empire in the history of this planet has failed because the cost of empire cannot be sustained. And really, right wing-nuts like you always bitch about public employee pensions while refusing to offer any sort of reforms when it comes to military pensions. It's not public employees who bring down empires, it's the military expense that does them in. =Bob It is hard to compose an answer to an item that is just fraught with wrong facts. You have no idea what is in our "Status of Forces" agreements. Study up and then try again. |
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Post by tuff on Jul 1, 2011 12:05:15 GMT -8
Government is just too damn big and getting bigger. If our politicians don't change their ways, we are headed into the box canyon. And that's when the real economic pain will be horrendous. Thanks for the Republicant sound bites. =Bob Republican nothing. It's the freakin truth. |
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Post by tuff on Jul 1, 2011 12:16:36 GMT -8
Good points! The question remains and that is when do we go off the deep end or have we already? There comes a time when there is nothing left to give away and we may have arrived at that point. My college was even cheaper than yours as I went on a Government Degree Completion program while on active duty. I don't think any of us hate the government. We may dislike the people making policy at present and it is up to us to try to change the direction. I always suspect there's a trap when you readily agree with someone but that being said, please respond to Ron Paul's arguments on military spending and the defense budget in general. Please defend why we shouldn't just leave Afghanistan and Iraq. Please defend why wh shouldn't close all of our overseas bases (I'm willing to accept bases in Korea, Ramstein and Diego Garcia). And please defend the notion that we need 14 carrier battle groups. Every empire in the history of this planet has failed because the cost of empire cannot be sustained. And really, right wing-nuts like you always bitch about public employee pensions while refusing to offer any sort of reforms when it comes to military pensions. It's not public employees who bring down empires, it's the military expense that does them in. =Bob I agree with you about too much military spending. It definitely needs to be cut back. With regards to pensions, I just believe that nobody should collect dime one until retirement age of 65(raise to 68). That goes for both public and private. The disabled are exempt from this. I would also tell the world we are cutting back drastically foreign aid until we clean up our own economic house. The limited aid we do give will have a few performance strings attached, like birth control in Africa for example.. For things to change they have to change. Anyways, I'm just throwing out some ideas. We are heading for economic chaos if we don't change this country's spending habits. |
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Post by davdesid on Jul 1, 2011 12:47:01 GMT -8
Good points! The question remains and that is when do we go off the deep end or have we already? There comes a time when there is nothing left to give away and we may have arrived at that point. My college was even cheaper than yours as I went on a Government Degree Completion program while on active duty. I don't think any of us hate the government. We may dislike the people making policy at present and it is up to us to try to change the direction. I always suspect there's a trap when you readily agree with someone but that being said, please respond to Ron Paul's arguments on military spending and the defense budget in general. Please defend why we shouldn't just leave Afghanistan and Iraq. Please defend why wh shouldn't close all of our overseas bases (I'm willing to accept bases in Korea, Ramstein and Diego Garcia). And please defend the notion that we need 14 carrier battle groups. Every empire in the history of this planet has failed because the cost of empire cannot be sustained. And really, right wing-nuts like you always bitch about public employee pensions while refusing to offer any sort of reforms when it comes to military pensions. It's not public employees who bring down empires, it's the military expense that does them in. =Bob Ask the Obama administration why we shouldn't just leave Afghanistan and Iraq. Ask them why we don't just close all overseas bases. The President you voted for has more pull on such matters than Win. Oh, and while you're at it, justify why we should keep troops in Korea, Ramstein, and Diego Garcia (actually a Brit base where we have less than 200 personnel). And why do you keep repeating the lie that there are 14 Carrier Battle Groups? Maybe we don't need any, some strategic planners would agree, and there has been recent serious discussion on the subject in the USNI Proceedings. But why do you start with a false assertion? Maybe you should try to become better informed before you throw turds against the wall just to see what sticks. wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_aircraft_carriers_does_the_US_have_in_2011(Kitty Hawk is gone) |
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Post by davdesid on Jul 1, 2011 14:50:21 GMT -8
OBTW...
>>>Every empire in the history of this planet has failed because the cost of empire cannot be sustained. <<< the brilliant =Perfesser
No $#!+?
You really ought to make an effort to outgrow the platitudes and chants you acquired during that dope induced psychedelic haze from your drug influenced youth back in the '60s.
Try to quit with the stale old "American Imperialism" bull$#!+ that became the mantra of you and your louse-ridden filthy hippie friends from those days, those pieces of human excrement who sampled every substance known to man (with the exception of soap).
"[F]ar from being the Great Satan, I would say that we are the Great Protector. We have sent men and women from the armed forces of the United States to other parts of the world throughout the past century to put down oppression. We defeated Fascism. We defeated Communism. We saved Europe in World War I and World War II. We were willing to do it, glad to do it. We went to Korea. We went to Vietnam. All in the interest of preserving the rights of people.
And when all those conflicts were over, what did we do? Did we stay and conquer? Did we say, "Okay, we defeated Germany. Now Germany belongs to us? We defeated Japan, so Japan belongs to us"? No. What did we do? We built them up. We gave them democratic systems which they have embraced totally to their soul. And did we ask for any land? No, the only land we ever asked for was enough land to bury our dead. And that is the kind of nation we are."
-Colin Powell, Feb 14, 2002-
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Post by tuff on Jul 1, 2011 16:56:14 GMT -8
OBTW... >>>Every empire in the history of this planet has failed because the cost of empire cannot be sustained. <<< the brilliant =Perfesser No $#!+? You really ought to make an effort to outgrow the platitudes and chants you acquired during that dope induced psychedelic haze from your drug influenced youth back in the '60s. Try to quit with the stale old "American Imperialism" bull$#!+ that became the mantra of you and your louse-ridden filthy hippie friends from those days, those pieces of human excrement who sampled every substance known to man (with the exception of soap). "[F]ar from being the Great Satan, I would say that we are the Great Protector. We have sent men and women from the armed forces of the United States to other parts of the world throughout the past century to put down oppression. We defeated Fascism. We defeated Communism. We saved Europe in World War I and World War II. We were willing to do it, glad to do it. We went to Korea. We went to Vietnam. All in the interest of preserving the rights of people.
And when all those conflicts were over, what did we do? Did we stay and conquer? Did we say, "Okay, we defeated Germany. Now Germany belongs to us? We defeated Japan, so Japan belongs to us"? No. What did we do? We built them up. We gave them democratic systems which they have embraced totally to their soul. And did we ask for any land? No, the only land we ever asked for was enough land to bury our dead. And that is the kind of nation we are."-Colin Powell, Feb 14, 2002- I love it. I am so sick and tired of the apologists in this administration. We don't owe anyone an apology. The world is a better place because of the USA. Our system of capitalism aint perfect, but it sure beats socialism by a long shot. |
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