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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on May 24, 2011 6:54:08 GMT -8
Texas Gov. Rick Perry says 10th Amendment dominant issue for 2012 trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/05/rick-perry-says-10th-amendment.htmlGov. Rick Perry on Tuesday told a group of national Republicans that the 2012 presidential election would center on state sovereignty and limited intervention from Washington. "The federal government was created by the states to be an agent for the states, not the other way around," Perry said at the Republican National Committee's state chairmen's meeting in Dallas. "The things they supposed to be doing, all too often, they are failures at. All the other things they decided they know best in, and are forcing themselves upon the state, they need to get out of." (more at link) Personally I think Perry is a fuggin idiot. He most certainly would accept FEMA money and assistance in an emergency and he certainly wants Federal money to be spent in Texas. I'd love to debate that stupid son of a bitch. |
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Post by Yoda on May 24, 2011 8:46:53 GMT -8
Okay, I'll bite...
I think a conservative (Perry in this case but generally as well) would argue that (using FEMA as an example), if the feds didn't undertake that program then the states would. And if the states undertook them, the state tax rate might be higher but the federal tax rate would fall sufficiently to offset the state tax increase. In fact, since the theory is that local government is more efficient than the federal government, the combined tax rate might be a little lower and the programs would be managed better.
Personally, I wish that the federal government would get out of emergency management. If they did, and people had to buy private insurance, then insurance carriers would prevent the development of flood plains by refusing to provide the subsidized flood insurance needed to do so. Likewise, earthquake standardized would be different, etc.
Yoda out...
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Post by aztec70 on May 24, 2011 9:45:59 GMT -8
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Post by AztecBill on May 24, 2011 12:45:01 GMT -8
Texas Gov. Rick Perry says 10th Amendment dominant issue for 2012 trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/05/rick-perry-says-10th-amendment.htmlGov. Rick Perry on Tuesday told a group of national Republicans that the 2012 presidential election would center on state sovereignty and limited intervention from Washington. "The federal government was created by the states to be an agent for the states, not the other way around," Perry said at the Republican National Committee's state chairmen's meeting in Dallas. "The things they supposed to be doing, all too often, they are failures at. All the other things they decided they know best in, and are forcing themselves upon the state, they need to get out of." (more at link) Personally I think Perry is a fuggin idiot. He most certainly would accept FEMA money and assistance in an emergency and he certainly wants Federal money to be spent in Texas. I'd love to debate that stupid son of a bitch. What would you think of a parent that took most of the money from their adult child and provided for them and required from them like they were still a child. That is what we have in the federal government visa via the states. The states are fully capable of standing on their own if the feds didn't take so much form the states citizens and companies that there is little left for the states to work with. The 10th Amendment is greatly abused. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on May 24, 2011 13:45:16 GMT -8
Texas Gov. Rick Perry says 10th Amendment dominant issue for 2012 trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/05/rick-perry-says-10th-amendment.htmlGov. Rick Perry on Tuesday told a group of national Republicans that the 2012 presidential election would center on state sovereignty and limited intervention from Washington. "The federal government was created by the states to be an agent for the states, not the other way around," Perry said at the Republican National Committee's state chairmen's meeting in Dallas. "The things they supposed to be doing, all too often, they are failures at. All the other things they decided they know best in, and are forcing themselves upon the state, they need to get out of." (more at link) Personally I think Perry is a fuggin idiot. He most certainly would accept FEMA money and assistance in an emergency and he certainly wants Federal money to be spent in Texas. I'd love to debate that stupid son of a bitch. What would you think of a parent that took most of the money from their adult child and provided for them and required from them like they were still a child. That is what we have in the federal government visa via the states. The states are fully capable of standing on their own if the feds didn't take so much form the states citizens and companies that there is little left for the states to work with. The 10th Amendment is greatly abused. Your serious lack of understanding about "We The People" is frightening. |
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Post by AztecBill on May 24, 2011 13:47:51 GMT -8
What would you think of a parent that took most of the money from their adult child and provided for them and required from them like they were still a child. That is what we have in the federal government visa via the states. The states are fully capable of standing on their own if the feds didn't take so much form the states citizens and companies that there is little left for the states to work with. The 10th Amendment is greatly abused. Your serious lack of understanding about "We The People" is frightening. You need to read the first 5 pages of Common Sense by Thomas Paine. That will give you the background to begin to learn from me. |
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Post by aztec70 on May 24, 2011 13:58:39 GMT -8
Your serious lack of understanding about "We The People" is frightening. You need to read the first 5 pages of Common Sense by Thomas Paine. That will give you the background to begin to learn from me. What did Thomas Paine have to do with our Constitution and the founding of the government we still have? |
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Post by AztecBill on May 24, 2011 15:24:31 GMT -8
You need to read the first 5 pages of Common Sense by Thomas Paine. That will give you the background to begin to learn from me. What did Thomas Paine have to do with our Constitution and the founding of the government we still have? A lot. Without Thomas Paine we may have never fought the Revolutionary War. But what makes you ask that question? I never said Thomas Paine had anything to do with those documents. |
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Post by aztecwin on May 24, 2011 16:11:00 GMT -8
You have to love the way Joe can bring up a topic which would seem to point to a logical position for him to take on the subject and then to go off on an inane illogical direction to stimulate discussion or to try to lure idiots out to support his crazy conclusion. To pretend to be a BAL must be really fun when you can draw idiots out to join you.  |
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Post by aztecwin on May 24, 2011 16:13:32 GMT -8
I hope you have figured out that Aztec Bill is not the idiot in this case nor is Yoda more than just misguided. That leaves only one who really took the bait.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on May 24, 2011 16:16:54 GMT -8
Okay, I'll bite... I think a conservative (Perry in this case but generally as well) would argue that (using FEMA as an example), if the feds didn't undertake that program then the states would. And if the states undertook them, the state tax rate might be higher but the federal tax rate would fall sufficiently to offset the state tax increase. In fact, since the theory is that local government is more efficient than the federal government, the combined tax rate might be a little lower and the programs would be managed better. Personally, I wish that the federal government would get out of emergency management. If they did, and people had to buy private insurance, then insurance carriers would prevent the development of flood plains by refusing to provide the subsidized flood insurance needed to do so. Likewise, earthquake standardized would be different, etc. Yoda out... Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you an insurance broker? =Bob |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on May 24, 2011 16:27:31 GMT -8
Texas Gov. Rick Perry says 10th Amendment dominant issue for 2012 trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/05/rick-perry-says-10th-amendment.htmlGov. Rick Perry on Tuesday told a group of national Republicans that the 2012 presidential election would center on state sovereignty and limited intervention from Washington. "The federal government was created by the states to be an agent for the states, not the other way around," Perry said at the Republican National Committee's state chairmen's meeting in Dallas. "The things they supposed to be doing, all too often, they are failures at. All the other things they decided they know best in, and are forcing themselves upon the state, they need to get out of." (more at link) Personally I think Perry is a fuggin idiot. He most certainly would accept FEMA money and assistance in an emergency and he certainly wants Federal money to be spent in Texas. I'd love to debate that stupid son of a bitch. What would you think of a parent that took most of the money from their adult child and provided for them and required from them like they were still a child. That is what we have in the federal government visa via the states. The states are fully capable of standing on their own if the feds didn't take so much form the states citizens and companies that there is little left for the states to work with. The 10th Amendment is greatly abused. So let's suppose the Feds backed off on taxes and such and the responsibility for natural disasters was left to the states. Unless I'm mistaken, Texas has no individual or corporate state income tax. So in your scenario, the Feds ain't taxing people and corporations and neither is Texas, but somehow, Texas could maintain the status quo and still deal with a disaster like the wildfires Perry is currently whining about? =Bob |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on May 24, 2011 16:29:48 GMT -8
Texas Gov. Rick Perry says 10th Amendment dominant issue for 2012 trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/05/rick-perry-says-10th-amendment.htmlGov. Rick Perry on Tuesday told a group of national Republicans that the 2012 presidential election would center on state sovereignty and limited intervention from Washington. "The federal government was created by the states to be an agent for the states, not the other way around," Perry said at the Republican National Committee's state chairmen's meeting in Dallas. "The things they supposed to be doing, all too often, they are failures at. All the other things they decided they know best in, and are forcing themselves upon the state, they need to get out of." (more at link) Personally I think Perry is a fuggin idiot. He most certainly would accept FEMA money and assistance in an emergency and he certainly wants Federal money to be spent in Texas. I'd love to debate that stupid son of a bitch. The Feds are currently picking up 75% of the cost of the wildfires. Perry's whining because Obama didn't declare a state of emergency in Texas. =Bob |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on May 24, 2011 16:35:49 GMT -8
I hope you have figured out that Aztec Bill is not the idiot in this case nor is Yoda more than just misguided. That leaves only one who really took the bait. It may have been a troll, but it does bring up an interesting question in response to Bill's stance that without federal taxes the states could take care of themselves. The question is this - are there projects that a priori must be national projects? Would we have an interstate system if it had been left up to the states? Would Hoover Dam been built if it was left up to the few states that benefit from it and other dams on the Colorado? =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on May 24, 2011 16:41:45 GMT -8
Texas Gov. Rick Perry says 10th Amendment dominant issue for 2012 trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/05/rick-perry-says-10th-amendment.htmlGov. Rick Perry on Tuesday told a group of national Republicans that the 2012 presidential election would center on state sovereignty and limited intervention from Washington. "The federal government was created by the states to be an agent for the states, not the other way around," Perry said at the Republican National Committee's state chairmen's meeting in Dallas. "The things they supposed to be doing, all too often, they are failures at. All the other things they decided they know best in, and are forcing themselves upon the state, they need to get out of." (more at link) Personally I think Perry is a fuggin idiot. He most certainly would accept FEMA money and assistance in an emergency and he certainly wants Federal money to be spent in Texas. I'd love to debate that stupid son of a bitch. The Feds are currently picking up 75% of the cost of the wildfires. Perry's whining because Obama didn't declare a state of emergency in Texas. =Bob You are missing the obvious. Under the current situation, Perry and Texas are being treated like step children that are misbehaving. It is political on the part of Obama. Perry is merely pointing out that under the current condition that aide is being rationed on a punitive political basis. |
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Post by aztecwin on May 24, 2011 16:47:53 GMT -8
I hope you have figured out that Aztec Bill is not the idiot in this case nor is Yoda more than just misguided. That leaves only one who really took the bait. It may have been a troll, but it does bring up an interesting question in response to Bill's stance that without federal taxes the states could take care of themselves. The question is this - are there projects that a priori must be national projects? Would we have an interstate system if it had been left up to the states? Would Hoover Dam been built if it was left up to the few states that benefit from it and other dams on the Colorado? =Bob Good question and you avoided joining the "dull side". I could take a long time to counter your question with an answer that would explain how Hoover Dam could have been built more efficiently privately or how the Eisenhower Interstate could have been done better but it would all be academic as it was done the way that it was done. |
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Post by uwaztec on May 24, 2011 17:42:22 GMT -8
I hope you have figured out that Aztec Bill is not the idiot in this case nor is Yoda more than just misguided. That leaves only one who really took the bait. It may have been a troll, but it does bring up an interesting question in response to Bill's stance that without federal taxes the states could take care of themselves. The question is this - are there projects that a priori must be national projects? Would we have an interstate system if it had been left up to the states? Would Hoover Dam been built if it was left up to the few states that benefit from it and other dams on the Colorado? =Bob Well I do know that Muir Woods would have been used to help re-build San Francisco after the 1906 quake. Of course great Americans like Teddy Roosevelt, John Muir and Gifford Pinchot stepped in at the last minute to preserve one of the Golden State's greatest gems. Hey guess what, San Francisco still got rebuilt no problem. The government is no where near perfect, but left to private contractors.... half-dome would be a rock quarry by now. |
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Post by aztecwin on May 25, 2011 5:23:08 GMT -8
It may have been a troll, but it does bring up an interesting question in response to Bill's stance that without federal taxes the states could take care of themselves. The question is this - are there projects that a priori must be national projects? Would we have an interstate system if it had been left up to the states? Would Hoover Dam been built if it was left up to the few states that benefit from it and other dams on the Colorado? =Bob Well I do know that Muir Woods would have been used to help re-build San Francisco after the 1906 quake. Of course great Americans like Teddy Roosevelt, John Muir and Gifford Pinchot stepped in at the last minute to preserve one of the Golden State's greatest gems. Hey guess what, San Francisco still got rebuilt no problem. The government is no where near perfect, but left to private contractors.... half-dome would be a rock quarry by now. I don't think anyone would advocate private enterprise operate without some common sense oversite. It is just that government should not be involved the doing, only in authorizing. It should also be directed by the lowest level possible under broad guidelines. I know of no one out to ruin nature. |
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Post by Yoda on May 25, 2011 5:38:17 GMT -8
Okay, I'll bite... I think a conservative (Perry in this case but generally as well) would argue that (using FEMA as an example), if the feds didn't undertake that program then the states would. And if the states undertook them, the state tax rate might be higher but the federal tax rate would fall sufficiently to offset the state tax increase. In fact, since the theory is that local government is more efficient than the federal government, the combined tax rate might be a little lower and the programs would be managed better. Personally, I wish that the federal government would get out of emergency management. If they did, and people had to buy private insurance, then insurance carriers would prevent the development of flood plains by refusing to provide the subsidized flood insurance needed to do so. Likewise, earthquake standardized would be different, etc. Yoda out... Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you an insurance broker? =Bob I am an insurance wholesaler but I don't have the conflict of interest that you are suggesting. I specialize in underwriting restaurants, bars, taverns and (switching gears) in brokering environmental coverages in AK, CO, OR & WA. I have not placed a single flood policy or earthquake policy and I don't write in any of the tornado or hurricane areas. My "policy position" stands on its own. Yoda out... . |
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Post by uwaztec on May 25, 2011 7:11:34 GMT -8
Well I do know that Muir Woods would have been used to help re-build San Francisco after the 1906 quake. Of course great Americans like Teddy Roosevelt, John Muir and Gifford Pinchot stepped in at the last minute to preserve one of the Golden State's greatest gems. Hey guess what, San Francisco still got rebuilt no problem. The government is no where near perfect, but left to private contractors.... half-dome would be a rock quarry by now. I don't think anyone would advocate private enterprise operate without some common sense oversite. It is just that government should not be involved the doing, only in authorizing. It should also be directed by the lowest level possible under broad guidelines. I know of no one out to ruin nature. Your last sentence is extremely naive Win. Large corporations (ex: mining interests) are out to make money, you actually believe they consider damage to the environment as part of project design??? other than to meet existing environmental regulations?? Look one person's "nature" is Sea World, another one's is orca's in the wild. The public (and corporations) in the US are certainly much more educated regarding the natural world than lets say 50 years ago. I'll give you one example of a critical project right now, and that's the "Pebble Mine" on Bristol Bay in Alaska. As you know, Bristol Bay is the last, greatest salmon fishery in the World. Large scale mining and salmon have never mixed successfully, and never will. It will be up to the Fishing industry and Government fisheries biologists to show that it would be a disaster to put that mine in up there. |
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