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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 4, 2010 17:30:32 GMT -8
Dennis Erickson doubtless thought he was a clever rascal by throwing the Idaho Vandals under the bus after just a year as head coach. He grabbed the first BCS head coaching job that came along, which happened to be located in Tempe, Arizona.
Erickson's first season with the Sun Devils (10-3) seemed to confirm the wisdom of Erickson's decision. Since then, however, ASU's gridiron fortunes have declined. After that first season, the Sun Devils have finished 5-7 and 4-8. Surely that trend line is not what Erickson and ASU fans had anticipated. ASU has lost the past two seasons to Arizona, and they finished 2009 with six straight losses.
Meanwhile, Idaho has been going in the other direction, capped by last year's 8-5 record (which included a bowl win).
So, how long will ASU tolerate an underachieving Dennis Erickson? They were delighted to get him, but now one must wonder.
AzWm
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Post by sdsuphilip on Jul 4, 2010 21:03:30 GMT -8
I think he will be gone after this year unless there new OC preforms tricks and his Mike Leach type style offense works under Brock osweiler probably
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Post by AztecTom on Jul 4, 2010 21:31:18 GMT -8
I actually agree with philip and think he will be gone after this year.
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Post by monty on Jul 5, 2010 7:09:50 GMT -8
This is his last chance - they waited on Koetter an extra year, but he was winning 6 games a year, and they will jettison him if he under performs again. Definitely points to the concerns with hiring a coach with that much mileage.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2010 9:16:08 GMT -8
To me, what is just as embarrassing as the fact he's gone from 10 wins his first year to a total of just nine in years two and three is the fact that this year, ASU plays TWO FCS schools. Hell, I thought it was ridiculous when SDSU did so in 2003. You mean to tell me that ASU has fallen so far that they have to schedule OOC below even SDSU?
Number of returning starters Erickson has: just four on offense and five on defense. I'd say he's toast. I'd also say some of us were correct in having reservations about SDSU hiring him. My concern was he would simply retire on the job as it appeared he had already done at Idaho. Sure looks like that's exactly what he did. (Hopefully Brady won't be dumb enough to pick up the phone when ASU calls him in December.)
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Post by k5james on Jul 5, 2010 9:55:04 GMT -8
(Hopefully Brady won't be dumb enough to pick up the phone when ASU calls him in December.) That may develop into an issue. Doesn't he have a daughter that goes there? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2010 11:16:26 GMT -8
Very good, James. I have no idea what year she's in but I'm actually hoping Erickson can survive another year at ASU for that reason.
Question: Wouldn't Dennis the Menace probably have a 5-year contract so they would owe him for 2011 even if he doesn't return?
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Post by monty on Jul 5, 2010 14:49:30 GMT -8
My families team is ASU so I've been wondering about this for a while, he signed a 5 year deal, and with escalators it is 1.275 guaranteed: www.azcentral.com/sports/colleges/articles/1101firstandten.htmlThey have now gone after the younger up and coming coach from Boise, the coach with national titles and NFL experience - I would think young college or pro assistant might be the next route. (P.S. UofU take a look at ASU, you'll be there shortly and you'll realize being 5th or 6th chair in the fiddle section is not a lovely musical experience) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2010 13:05:58 GMT -8
(Hopefully Brady won't be dumb enough to pick up the phone when ASU calls him in December.) Why would they call Hoke? I don't intend this to be mean, but merely accurate. Although you are a committed cynic who therefore sees 90% of the coaching profession as being incompetent and although Hoke did a very poor job of maintaining leads in the final two games in 2009, most people think the man is a very good coach. As an example, right before SDSU hired him, he was interviewed by LSU for their top job. So watch, John. If Hoke gets us to .500 this year, with the staff he's put together and the significant uptick in recruiting, if Erickson gets the heave ho from ASU, Brady is going to be mentioned as a candidate for the Sun Devils job. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jul 8, 2010 18:03:06 GMT -8
Um, remind me again how many people on here were pissed off that we didn't hire this clown.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2010 12:48:58 GMT -8
Um, remind me again how many people on here were pissed off that we didn't hire this clown. For the record . . . Slick Rick was MY numero uno guy to replace Craft and rumor reported to me by somebody who allegedly heard it from Erickson is that Dennis the Menace could tell during the interview that Schemmel wasn't going to hire him. (And you're not going to argue that Chuck was a better choice, are you?) |
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 9, 2010 12:50:26 GMT -8
Um, remind me again how many people on here were pissed off that we didn't hire this clown. =Bob I don't really care what Erickson did at Idaho OR at Arizona State. I just think he would have done wonders here. As would have Skippy and Terry Bowden. |
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Post by monty on Jul 13, 2010 16:34:33 GMT -8
Um, remind me again how many people on here were pissed off that we didn't hire this clown. =Bob I don't really care what Erickson did at Idaho OR at Arizona State. I just think he would have done wonders here. As would have Skippy and Terry Bowden. So despite the fact that the slick ones Skippy and Erickson are not winning with teams that have lots of talent, they would have done wonders here? More mindless speculation that not only can't be proved by facts, but the facts show the opposite is the case. |
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 14, 2010 11:34:23 GMT -8
I don't really care what Erickson did at Idaho OR at Arizona State. I just think he would have done wonders here. As would have Skippy and Terry Bowden. So despite the fact that the slick ones Skippy and Erickson are not winning with teams that have lots of talent, they would have done wonders here? More mindless speculation that not only can't be proved by facts, but the facts show the opposite is the case. Just my opinion. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 15, 2010 15:55:26 GMT -8
Um, remind me again how many people on here were pissed off that we didn't hire this clown. =Bob I don't really care what Erickson did at Idaho OR at Arizona State. I just think he would have done wonders here. As would have Skippy and Terry Bowden. I am in this camp. I laugh when that poor little excuse for a "Hobbit" calls anyone a clown! |
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Post by SD Johnny on Jul 31, 2010 18:43:30 GMT -8
He was my #2 and right behind Neuheisel. ASU in the Pac is different than SDSU in the MWC and because he has had two poor seasons at ASU doesn't mean he wouldn't have been successful here. For recruiting, ASU ranks no higher than 7th in the pecking order for recruits in the Pac 10 behind USC, UCLA, Washington, Cal, Stanford, Oregon. At SDSU (with any success) we can be the top dog. He was Pac-10 COY his first season in Tempe and I think the two situations are apples and oranges. I think he would have had us bowling in year 1 at SDSU and after a few seasons would have move up the ladder, which would have been fine with me. Um, remind me again how many people on here were pissed off that we didn't hire this clown. =Bob |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 1, 2010 7:18:20 GMT -8
I actually agree with philip and think he will be gone after this year. Predicting the tenure of coaches is extremely difficult. If his problems come from not having enough quality linemen, most AD's will give him the time that it takes to build linemen. Assuming that you always redshirt incoming linemen out of high school. his first recruiting class will be mature after five years. Because of that, five years is the usual standard contract. You have got to give a coach time to build his kind of team. Even demanding that he perform strongly with his first recruiting class is not the norm. His termination, if it comes will be because the subsequent recruiting classes look weak. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 1, 2010 7:25:36 GMT -8
To me, what is just as embarrassing as the fact he's gone from 10 wins his first year to a total of just nine in years two and three is the fact that this year, ASU plays TWO FCS schools. Hell, I thought it was ridiculous when SDSU did so in 2003. You mean to tell me that ASU has fallen so far that they have to schedule OOC below even SDSU? Number of returning starters Erickson has: just four on offense and five on defense. I'd say he's toast. I'd also say some of us were correct in having reservations about SDSU hiring him. My concern was he would simply retire on the job as it appeared he had already done at Idaho. Sure looks like that's exactly what he did. (Hopefully Brady won't be dumb enough to pick up the phone when ASU calls him in December.) The key question is, what talent has he brought in? It should never be, "Has he won with the other guys lack of talent?" Remember, Scovil was easily able to win with Scovil's talent, inspite of the fact that Denny did not even understand the passing game that made the offense so damn lethal. He should have learned it because his Bowling Green team was slaughtered by Fresno State in a Bowl Game before he took over the Aztecs. One year later, Denny's total lack of recruiting started to show. It got even worse the next season. Under Denny, things were going downhill fast, and I wrote letters to that effect. I was damn happy when he was fired. Even happier still when the best Defensive coach in the country was appointed to Head Coach. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 1, 2010 7:32:56 GMT -8
Um, remind me again how many people on here were pissed off that we didn't hire this clown. =Bob I don't really care what Erickson did at Idaho OR at Arizona State. I just think he would have done wonders here. As would have Skippy and Terry Bowden. Though I agree with you on the other two, I sincerely doubt that Bowden would ever be able to coach at San Diego State. As I keep on telling you, "Ya gotta know the territory." |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Aug 1, 2010 10:45:13 GMT -8
Very good, James. I have no idea what year she's in but I'm actually hoping Erickson can survive another year at ASU for that reason. Question: Wouldn't Dennis the Menace probably have a 5-year contract so they would owe him for 2011 even if he doesn't return? He signed an Extension through Jan 15, 2013. ASU does not have the money to buy out one year let alone two, so we will be fine. i.usatoday.net/sports/graphics/2009/coaches-contracts/pdf/erickson_arizonastate.pdf |
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