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Post by AztecTom on Jul 4, 2010 16:28:00 GMT -8
Are a f#cking joke! Are you kidding me, no Heath Bell who leads the National lead in saves and no Matt Latos. Really, are you f#cking kidding me, what a joke!!! Even Adams and Gregerson deserved consideration. WTF!!!!
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Post by AztecTom on Jul 4, 2010 16:42:17 GMT -8
Best pitching staff in all of baseball and we don't get one pitcher on the team.  What a crock of $#!+!!! |
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Post by 83aztec on Jul 6, 2010 7:43:10 GMT -8
The first baseman from the Reds gets a snub? Overall not the end of the world. Everyone gets a nice rest and it solidifies the team even more.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 6, 2010 13:01:26 GMT -8
Best pitching staff in all of baseball and we don't get one pitcher on the team. What a crock of $#!+!!! There are a lot of really good pitchers out there this year. There are 7 starters with a better ERA. 1. Josh Johnson FLA 1.82 2 Jaime Garcia STL 2.10 3 Adam Wainwright STL 2.24 4 Ubaldo Jimenez COL 2.27 5 Roy Halladay PHI 2.33 6 Tim Hudson ATL 2.44 7 Yovani Gallardo MIL 2.58 Chris Carpenter had a better ERA but in their last starts Latos pitched 8 innings allowing ZERO ER and Carpenter went 3 innings allowing 7 ER ;D It would be pretty hard to take a young gun when there is a veteran with a better ERA.
But Heath Bell leads the NL in saves and the only closer with a better ERA is Billy Wagner. Billy Wagner ATL 17 Saves 3 BS 1.35 ERA Heath Bell SDG 23 Saves 3 BS 1.72 ERA |
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Post by AztecTom on Jul 6, 2010 13:10:52 GMT -8
Best pitching staff in all of baseball and we don't get one pitcher on the team. What a crock of $#!+!!! There are a lot of really good pitchers out there this year. There are 7 starters with a better ERA. 1. Josh Johnson FLA 1.82 2 Jaime Garcia STL 2.10 3 Adam Wainwright STL 2.24 4 Ubaldo Jimenez COL 2.27 5 Roy Halladay PHI 2.33 6 Tim Hudson ATL 2.44 7 Yovani Gallardo MIL 2.58 Chris Carpenter had a better ERA but in their last starts Latos pitched 8 innings allowing ZERO ER and Carpenter went 3 innings allowing 7 ER ;D It would be pretty hard to take a young gun when there is a veteran with a better ERA.
But Heath Bell leads the NL in saves and the only closer with a better ERA is Billy Wagner. Billy Wagner ATL 17 Saves 3 BS 1.35 ERA Heath Bell SDG 23 Saves 3 BS 1.72 ERA Second best record in all of baseball and best pitching staff in baseball and it's not even close and we don't get one pitcher representing us. I mean really, total crock of $#!+ in my book! |
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Post by retiredaztec on Jul 8, 2010 20:02:46 GMT -8
[quote [/quote] Second best record in all of baseball and best pitching staff in baseball and it's not even close and we don't get one pitcher representing us. I mean really, total crock of $#!+ in my book![/quote] Now that it appears Latos and/or Bell are probably going to make the All-Star team aside, the fact that neither pitcher from an excellent Padres pitching staff was chosen initially, makes this, (to borrow a line from an old Woody Allen movie), "a sham and a mockery and a mockery and a sham".  |
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Post by dshawfan on Jul 8, 2010 21:23:58 GMT -8
Best pitching staff in all of baseball and we don't get one pitcher on the team. What a crock of $#!+!!! There are a lot of really good pitchers out there this year. There are 7 starters with a better ERA. 1. Josh Johnson FLA 1.82 2 Jaime Garcia STL 2.10 3 Adam Wainwright STL 2.24 4 Ubaldo Jimenez COL 2.27 5 Roy Halladay PHI 2.33 6 Tim Hudson ATL 2.44 7 Yovani Gallardo MIL 2.58 Chris Carpenter had a better ERA but in their last starts Latos pitched 8 innings allowing ZERO ER and Carpenter went 3 innings allowing 7 ER ;D It would be pretty hard to take a young gun when there is a veteran with a better ERA.
But Heath Bell leads the NL in saves and the only closer with a better ERA is Billy Wagner. Billy Wagner ATL 17 Saves 3 BS 1.35 ERA Heath Bell SDG 23 Saves 3 BS 1.72 ERA Wow! You are going to look at one stat only to make the choice? Go to MLB.com and search the NL pitching stats and see if you think that all the pitchers with better ERAs than Matt's are more deserving that Latos. |
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Post by sdsuphilip on Jul 8, 2010 23:28:43 GMT -8
Matt Capps is going over more deserving nats like Zimmerman and more deserving closer Billy Wagner who has had a great year
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 9, 2010 13:01:58 GMT -8
Wow! You are going to look at one stat only to make the choice? Go to MLB.com and search the NL pitching stats and see if you think that all the pitchers with better ERAs than Matt's are more deserving that Latos. If an NL starter has a better ERA than Mat, than he is more deserving. ERA is a pretty conclusive stat as far as starting pitching goes. Especially since Mat has 4 big advantages: 1. Petco Park 2. A great defense 3. A manager who will pull him too early rather than too late. 4. A great bull pen to hold runners he leaves on base. |
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Post by aztecron on Jul 9, 2010 15:55:17 GMT -8
Wow! You are going to look at one stat only to make the choice? Go to MLB.com and search the NL pitching stats and see if you think that all the pitchers with better ERAs than Matt's are more deserving that Latos. If an NL starter has a better ERA than Mat, than he is more deserving. ERA is a pretty conclusive stat as far as starting pitching goes. Especially since Mat has 4 big advantages: 1. Petco Park 2. A great defense 3. A manager who will pull him too early rather than too late. 4. A great bull pen to hold runners he leaves on base. Latos WHIP is 0.97, his batting average against is .193 which leads all NL starters at this point in time. By the way he has 10 starts on the road (6-2) and seven starts at home (4-2). He does have a 2.23 ERA at home but also has a 2.60 ERA on the road. He's pitched the majority of his games away from Petco. This kid is leading where it matters. How many hits/walks he gives up and how many runs he lets in. Next!  |
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Post by joshjones1 on Jul 12, 2010 17:59:44 GMT -8
If an NL starter has a better ERA than Mat, than he is more deserving. ERA is a pretty conclusive stat as far as starting pitching goes. Especially since Mat has 4 big advantages: 1. Petco Park 2. A great defense 3. A manager who will pull him too early rather than too late. 4. A great bull pen to hold runners he leaves on base. Latos WHIP is 0.97, his batting average against is .193 which leads all NL starters at this point in time. By the way he has 10 starts on the road (6-2) and seven starts at home (4-2). He does have a 2.23 ERA at home but also has a 2.60 ERA on the road. He's pitched the majority of his games away from Petco. This kid is leading where it matters. How many hits/walks he gives up and how many runs he lets in. Next! Thank you!! Yessssir! As of the day of the voting results release, Latos was the ONLY National League SP holding opponents below the Mendoza line, at .193. Well deserved All-Star. No doubt about it. |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 13, 2010 8:26:43 GMT -8
If an NL starter has a better ERA than Mat, than he is more deserving. ERA is a pretty conclusive stat as far as starting pitching goes. Especially since Mat has 4 big advantages: 1. Petco Park 2. A great defense 3. A manager who will pull him too early rather than too late. 4. A great bull pen to hold runners he leaves on base. Latos WHIP is 0.97, his batting average against is .193 which leads all NL starters at this point in time. By the way he has 10 starts on the road (6-2) and seven starts at home (4-2). He does have a 2.23 ERA at home but also has a 2.60 ERA on the road. He's pitched the majority of his games away from Petco. This kid is leading where it matters. How many hits/walks he gives up and how many runs he lets in. Next! No doubt he is having a great year. My point is that this is a reprise of the "year of the pitcher". There are a lot of other pitchers who are having very similar years. WHIP v ERA: Pitchers have one aim - to stop the other team from scoring. That information is all you need to judge how they have done so far. I have seen where WHIP is a better predictor of future success but the All-Star game is based upon the results. Those results are stopping scoring. Mat is 7th in ERA among starters. That means not being chosen is not being "screwed". Josh Johnson and Ubaldo Jimenez are clearly the top 2 pitchers in the league. Who is chosen after those two will result in a couple of starters who will be left off the list who are very very good. Any other year Mat's numbers alone would make him a no-brainer. Not this year. |
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Post by aztecron on Jul 14, 2010 15:44:27 GMT -8
Latos WHIP is 0.97, his batting average against is .193 which leads all NL starters at this point in time. By the way he has 10 starts on the road (6-2) and seven starts at home (4-2). He does have a 2.23 ERA at home but also has a 2.60 ERA on the road. He's pitched the majority of his games away from Petco. This kid is leading where it matters. How many hits/walks he gives up and how many runs he lets in. Next! No doubt he is having a great year. My point is that this is a reprise of the "year of the pitcher". There are a lot of other pitchers who are having very similar years. WHIP v ERA: Pitchers have one aim - to stop the other team from scoring. That information is all you need to judge how they have done so far. I have seen where WHIP is a better predictor of future success but the All-Star game is based upon the results. Those results are stopping scoring. Mat is 7th in ERA among starters. That means not being chosen is not being "screwed". Josh Johnson and Ubaldo Jimenez are clearly the top 2 pitchers in the league. Who is chosen after those two will result in a couple of starters who will be left off the list who are very very good. Any other year Mat's numbers alone would make him a no-brainer. Not this year. Don't get me wrong here as I understand and agree with your argument. It was a tough decision to make for Manuel. But, you say the choice is made on results. THen use the results to base your decision on. He didn't and I think with a little bit more research on your part you would've seen the numbers and results support Latos too. Okay, Latos has 10 wins, while Lincecum has 9 with an ERA a half a run higher at 3.16. Lincecum makes the NL staff. Yavani Gallardo made it with 8 wins and a similiar ERA to Latos. Chris Carpenter has 9 wins and an ERA of 3.29, both stats worse than Latos and Hudson makes it in based on your 2.30 ERA even though he only has 9 wins. I think Latos deserved to go, its cut and dry to me. There we're politics playing in some of these decisions Manuel made and they we're bush league at best. Did Kuo from the Dodgers really deserve to go for the NL? Not in my book. Thats three spots alone I can justify Latos spot on the NL All-Star team. Damn shame. |
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Post by Trujillos & Beer on Jul 14, 2010 18:52:03 GMT -8
Just goes to show how awful your fan base is. If you stuffed the ballots like every other teams fans he would have gotten in. Or cry about it on a message board.
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Post by AztecTom on Jul 14, 2010 19:04:09 GMT -8
Just goes to show how awful your fan base is. If you stuffed the ballots like every other teams fans he would have gotten in. Or cry about it on a message board. Loser dodger fan! How many games back are you again? |
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Post by jhonka34 on Jul 15, 2010 22:05:29 GMT -8
Just goes to show how awful your fan base is. If you stuffed the ballots like every other teams fans he would have gotten in. Or cry about it on a message board. Good job lath. Except only the starting pitcher comes from the fan vote. The other pitchers are player/manager votes along with selections made by the game manager (usually the manager that went to the World Series the year before). |
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Post by AztecTom on Jul 15, 2010 22:39:55 GMT -8
Just goes to show how awful your fan base is. If you stuffed the ballots like every other teams fans he would have gotten in. Or cry about it on a message board. Your loser dodgers lost again!!! |
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What a crock of $#!+!!!
