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Post by AztecWilliam on May 4, 2011 21:07:42 GMT -8
Some officials say "yes," some say "no." How much did enhanced interrogations help us in the search for bin Laden? The fact that there is so much ambiguity on this question suggests that the answer is "yes," but we can't be sure unless all the facts are made public. In any event, the President of the United States knows the answer and could clarify the matter. . . if he chooses to. www.tnr.com/article/politics/87909/obama-osama-bin-laden-torture-guantanamo-bay?page=0,0 AzWm |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on May 5, 2011 13:08:13 GMT -8
Republican voters strongly disapprove of Obama’s counterterrorism policies
Big deal - ain't like any of them will vote for him anyway.
=Bob
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Post by Bob Forsythe on May 12, 2011 16:44:59 GMT -8
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Post by aztecwin on May 13, 2011 13:28:08 GMT -8
McCain is right to a point, but terrorists do not qualify for Geneva Convention protection.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 15:13:22 GMT -8
McCain is right to a point, but terrorists do not qualify for Geneva Convention protection. No, they don't. To me, that's the one thing that separates leftist Democrats from moderate ones like me. Those mofos never accepted the provisions of the Geneva Convention nor will they ever do so. To give them such protection anyway is therefore just plain stupid. And speaking of just plain stupid, so is the claim of some Republicans that waterboarding isn't torture. Why, because it doesn't cause any physical injury? Gimme a break. From what I've heard waterboarding is terrifying. And at least in MY world (Lizard Gingrich's apparently differs, though McCain's doesn't*), that equates to torture. * Somehow I think McCain is just a tad more qualified to weigh in on such things. |
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Post by aztecwin on May 13, 2011 15:52:41 GMT -8
McCain is right to a point, but terrorists do not qualify for Geneva Convention protection. No, they don't. To me, that's the one thing that separates leftist Democrats from moderate ones like me. Those mofos never accepted the provisions of the Geneva Convention nor will they ever do so. To give them such protection anyway is therefore just plain stupid. And speaking of just plain stupid, so is the claim of some Republicans that waterboarding isn't torture. Why, because it doesn't cause any physical injury? Gimme a break. From what I've heard waterboarding is terrifying. And at least in MY world (Lizard Gingrich's apparently differs, though McCain's doesn't*), that equates to torture. * Somehow I think McCain is just a tad more qualified to weigh in on such things. I think we agree if you are saying that "waterboarding" is a form or torture, but OK outside the constraints of the Geneva Convention agreement. Did you know that some of us who went through SERE training in the 60s were waterboarded as part of that training? |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on May 13, 2011 16:13:27 GMT -8
No, they don't. To me, that's the one thing that separates leftist Democrats from moderate ones like me. Those mofos never accepted the provisions of the Geneva Convention nor will they ever do so. To give them such protection anyway is therefore just plain stupid. And speaking of just plain stupid, so is the claim of some Republicans that waterboarding isn't torture. Why, because it doesn't cause any physical injury? Gimme a break. From what I've heard waterboarding is terrifying. And at least in MY world (Lizard Gingrich's apparently differs, though McCain's doesn't*), that equates to torture. * Somehow I think McCain is just a tad more qualified to weigh in on such things. I think we agree if you are saying that "waterboarding" is a form or torture, but OK outside the constraints of the Geneva Convention agreement. Did you know that some of us who went through SERE training in the 60s were waterboarded as part of that training? Reasonable given that it might have been used if you were captured. However, it does not justify us using it and I doubt it's all that effective. Let's consider where these people come from - countries that engage in torture. al-Zawahiri was repeatedly tortured by the Egyptian government when he was young and pretty much all these guys understand torture is used in their home countries. I would argue that these guys really aren't sophisticated when it comes to non-violent interrogation techniques and that puts them at a disadvantage when they are engaged by experienced interrogators. =Bob |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on May 13, 2011 16:21:27 GMT -8
[quote author=aztecwin board=np thread=13111 post=202444 time=1305322088 No, they don't. To me, that's the one thing that separates leftist Democrats from moderate ones like me. Those mofos never accepted the provisions of the Geneva Convention nor will they ever do so. To give them such protection anyway is therefore just plain stupid. Pooh is obfuscating because McCain says nothing about Geneva Conventions in that piece. What he does say that we all should believe rings true is this: Ultimately, this is more than a utilitarian debate. This is a moral debate. It is about who we are. In the end he is also correct that bin Laden had become somewhat irrelevant in the Middle East because of the Arab Spring. Doesn't mean bin Laden wasn't still dangerous but while he had a ton of ideas for attacks, he really didn't have the assets to carry them out. =Bob |
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Post by aztec79 on May 13, 2011 20:33:51 GMT -8
No, they don't. To me, that's the one thing that separates leftist Democrats from moderate ones like me. Those mofos never accepted the provisions of the Geneva Convention nor will they ever do so. To give them such protection anyway is therefore just plain stupid. And speaking of just plain stupid, so is the claim of some Republicans that waterboarding isn't torture. Why, because it doesn't cause any physical injury? Gimme a break. From what I've heard waterboarding is terrifying. And at least in MY world (Lizard Gingrich's apparently differs, though McCain's doesn't*), that equates to torture. * Somehow I think McCain is just a tad more qualified to weigh in on such things. I think we agree if you are saying that "waterboarding" is a form or torture, but OK outside the constraints of the Geneva Convention agreement. Did you know that some of us who went through SERE training in the 60s were waterboarded as part of that training? Yes. I was USAF in the early 70's. Was waterboarded as a SERE student. Also spent some time as a SERE instuctor and we waterboarded students. I am not sure if waterboarding is part of the SERE program today. |
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