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Post by tuff on Apr 28, 2011 15:48:08 GMT -8
Precisely. Who in the hell are the religious(not political) leaders of the muslim religion? Seems like the inmates are running the asylum. Who are the religious leaders of the Christian religion? =Bob The Pope, the guy in Salt Lake City  , Heads of all the traditional religions)baptist, methodist, protestant). I don't see any of these guys promoting terrorism. In fact, they come out and condemn it. PS: I don't know the names of these leaders cuz I don't practice any of them. But they are there. |
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Post by davdesid on Apr 28, 2011 15:59:17 GMT -8
Who are the religious leaders of the Christian religion? =Bob The Pope, the guy in Salt Lake City , Heads of all the traditional religions)baptist, methodist, protestant). I don't see any of these guys promoting terrorism. In fact, they come out and condemn it. PS: I don't know the names of these leaders cuz I don't practice any of them. But they are there. Yeah, I agree with that. Those guys will try to cram their religion down everyone's throat, but it's just talk. Proselytizing with words. The other guys try to cram their religion down everyone's throat, but if it doesn't fit, they will rip their throats out and cut off their heads. |
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Post by tuff on Apr 28, 2011 16:11:26 GMT -8
The Pope, the guy in Salt Lake City , Heads of all the traditional religions)baptist, methodist, protestant). I don't see any of these guys promoting terrorism. In fact, they come out and condemn it. PS: I don't know the names of these leaders cuz I don't practice any of them. But they are there. Yeah, I agree with that. Those guys will try to cram their religion down everyone's throat, but it's just talk. Proselytizing with words. The other guys try to cram their religion down everyone's throat, but if it doesn't fit, they will rip their throats out and cut off their heads. At least here you have the right to challenge and/or accept it. Not so in the land of Ali Baba!! |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Apr 28, 2011 18:08:51 GMT -8
Who are the religious leaders of the Christian religion? =Bob The Pope, the guy in Salt Lake City , Heads of all the traditional religions)baptist, methodist, protestant). I don't see any of these guys promoting terrorism. In fact, they come out and condemn it. PS: I don't know the names of these leaders cuz I don't practice any of them. But they are there. But you assume that Islam has some sort of monolithic structure? You are aware, I assume, that American Muslim leaders have in fact condemned terrorism over and over. You are aware, I assume, that there are evangelical Christian pastors who have no problem at all with violence against abortion clinics. The problem is this - it's not that you don't practice religion, it's that you've never studied religion. Consequently, you believe what you read instead of having the understanding available to make your own decisions. For instance, do you have any knowledge at all of Sufism and the mysticism that surrounds that particular Islamic sect or the persecution they've suffered in Iran? But that aside every religion gets perverted sooner or later, including Sufism because there are always true believers who demand everyone believe as they do. Even Taoism and Buddhism have become violent at times. The Nichiren Buddhist sect engaged in raids on Edo (Tokyo) in the 17th century and the Mongolian revolution in the '20s was a function of the corrupt Buddhist monks who ran that country. I won't even bother to bring up the atrocities Christians have engaged in over two millennium. Do yourself a favor and actually study religions before you assume you're capable of offering comments on them. =Bob |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Apr 28, 2011 18:13:26 GMT -8
The Pope, the guy in Salt Lake City , Heads of all the traditional religions)baptist, methodist, protestant). I don't see any of these guys promoting terrorism. In fact, they come out and condemn it. PS: I don't know the names of these leaders cuz I don't practice any of them. But they are there. Yeah, I agree with that. Those guys will try to cram their religion down everyone's throat, but it's just talk. Proselytizing with words. The other guys try to cram their religion down everyone's throat, but if it doesn't fit, they will rip their throats out and cut off their heads. Really? Every one of the one billion Muslims on this planet will kill anyone who refuses to follow Islam? =Bob |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Apr 28, 2011 18:19:08 GMT -8
Yeah, I agree with that. Those guys will try to cram their religion down everyone's throat, but it's just talk. Proselytizing with words. The other guys try to cram their religion down everyone's throat, but if it doesn't fit, they will rip their throats out and cut off their heads. At least here you have the right to challenge and/or accept it. Not so in the land of Ali Baba!! Which land would that be? Do Indonesians have the right to challenge Islam? Would you argue that Bali, which is 90 percent Hindu are somehow repressed in Indonesia, which has the largest Muslim population in the world, is being repressed? Do you actually understand that not all Muslims are located in the Middle East and South Asia? =Bob |
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Post by tuff on Apr 28, 2011 18:34:52 GMT -8
The Pope, the guy in Salt Lake City , Heads of all the traditional religions)baptist, methodist, protestant). I don't see any of these guys promoting terrorism. In fact, they come out and condemn it. PS: I don't know the names of these leaders cuz I don't practice any of them. But they are there. But you assume that Islam has some sort of monolithic structure? You are aware, I assume, that American Muslim leaders have in fact condemned terrorism over and over. You are aware, I assume, that there are evangelical Christian pastors who have no problem at all with violence against abortion clinics. The problem is this - it's not that you don't practice religion, it's that you've never studied religion. Consequently, you believe what you read instead of having the understanding available to make your own decisions. For instance, do you have any knowledge at all of Sufism and the mysticism that surrounds that particular Islamic sect or the persecution they've suffered in Iran? But that aside every religion gets perverted sooner or later, including Sufism because there are always true believers who demand everyone believe as they do. Even Taoism and Buddhism have become violent at times. The Nichiren Buddhist sect engaged in raids on Edo (Tokyo) in the 17th century and the Mongolian revolution in the '20s was a function of the corrupt Buddhist monks who ran that country. I won't even bother to bring up the atrocities Christians have engaged in over two millennium. Do yourself a favor and actually study religions before you assume you're capable of offering comments on them. =Bob Could care less what you.ve read Bob. Nothing worse than a know it all and does nothing. |
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Post by tuff on Apr 28, 2011 18:35:35 GMT -8
At least here you have the right to challenge and/or accept it. Not so in the land of Ali Baba!! Which land would that be? Do Indonesians have the right to challenge Islam? Would you argue that Bali, which is 90 percent Hindu are somehow repressed in Indonesia, which has the largest Muslim population in the world, is being repressed? Do you actually understand that not all Muslims are located in the Middle East and South Asia? =Bob Uh. It's a joke boy! |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Apr 28, 2011 19:08:07 GMT -8
But you assume that Islam has some sort of monolithic structure? You are aware, I assume, that American Muslim leaders have in fact condemned terrorism over and over. You are aware, I assume, that there are evangelical Christian pastors who have no problem at all with violence against abortion clinics. The problem is this - it's not that you don't practice religion, it's that you've never studied religion. Consequently, you believe what you read instead of having the understanding available to make your own decisions. For instance, do you have any knowledge at all of Sufism and the mysticism that surrounds that particular Islamic sect or the persecution they've suffered in Iran? But that aside every religion gets perverted sooner or later, including Sufism because there are always true believers who demand everyone believe as they do. Even Taoism and Buddhism have become violent at times. The Nichiren Buddhist sect engaged in raids on Edo (Tokyo) in the 17th century and the Mongolian revolution in the '20s was a function of the corrupt Buddhist monks who ran that country. I won't even bother to bring up the atrocities Christians have engaged in over two millennium. Do yourself a favor and actually study religions before you assume you're capable of offering comments on them. =Bob Could care less what you.ve read Bob. Nothing worse than a know it all and does nothing. I see. So you read nothing but have done something? Enlighten me on what you've done. And while you're at it, please try to put together a coherent sentence so I don't have to make assumptions about what you mean to say. =Bob |
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Post by tuff on Apr 28, 2011 19:13:21 GMT -8
Could care less what you.ve read Bob. Nothing worse than a know it all and does nothing. I see. So you read nothing but have done something? Enlighten me on what you've done. And while you're at it, please try to put together a coherent sentence so I don't have to make assumptions about what you mean to say. =Bob Adios Bob. Enjoy yourself. |
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Post by davdesid on Apr 29, 2011 14:20:09 GMT -8
Yeah, I agree with that. Those guys will try to cram their religion down everyone's throat, but it's just talk. Proselytizing with words. The other guys try to cram their religion down everyone's throat, but if it doesn't fit, they will rip their throats out and cut off their heads. Really? Every one of the one billion Muslims on this planet will kill anyone who refuses to follow Islam? =Bob I think if you go back and read the post a little more carefully, you will find that it was about "leaders"... the pope, the guy in SLC, etc. If you want to throw in with the grand ayatollahs in Teheran and their hand picked political puppet Ahmedinijad, or any of the other "leaders" of the "religion of peace", be my guest. And don't bother dipping into centuries old stale tales of atrocities by Crusaders and Inquisitionists. Some have managed to outgrow the barbarism, and some have not. Guess who? |
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Post by davdesid on Apr 29, 2011 14:47:01 GMT -8
I see. So you read nothing but have done something? Enlighten me on what you've done. And while you're at it, please try to put together a coherent sentence so I don't have to make assumptions about what you mean to say. =Bob Adios Bob. Enjoy yourself. Jeez, c'mon. The =Perfesser always tries to make the issue about YOU when he has nothing else to offer. That's been his shtick for years. "What have you read?" "What degrees do you have?" "How many years did you serve in uniform?" "Eh, Bunky?" The =Perfesser has a forty plus year old stale Masturbater's degree in poli-sci, and he thinks it's the equivalent of the great INCA treasure. Once you recognize his ad hom tactic for what it is, just flush it, and keep posting your views. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Apr 29, 2011 16:05:50 GMT -8
Really? Every one of the one billion Muslims on this planet will kill anyone who refuses to follow Islam? =Bob I think if you go back and read the post a little more carefully, you will find that it was about "leaders"... the pope, the guy in SLC, etc. If you want to throw in with the grand ayatollahs in Teheran and their hand picked political puppet Ahmedinijad, or any of the other "leaders" of the "religion of peace", be my guest. And don't bother dipping into centuries old stale tales of atrocities by Crusaders and Inquisitionists. Some have managed to outgrow the barbarism, and some have not. Guess who? And my question would still be, who are the leaders of Christianity? Is Franklin Graham a Christian leader? Let's see what he said: "The Muslim Brotherhood is very strong and active here in our country," Graham tells Newsmax. "We have these people advising our military and State Department. We've brought in Muslims to tell us how to make policy toward Muslim countries.
"It's like a farmer asking a fox, 'How do I protect my hen house?'"Really, the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated government agencies? Are we now going to see a Congressional committee "investigating" the Muslim Brotherhood infiltration in government? And would that even be considered id we had a white president with a name like Bush or Johnson? And more to the point, when has it ever been bad policy to rely upon former citizens of this or that country to advise us on the country based solely upon their religion? =Bob |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Apr 29, 2011 16:10:18 GMT -8
Adios Bob. Enjoy yourself. Jeez, c'mon. The =Perfesser always tries to make the issue about YOU when he has nothing else to offer. That's been his shtick for years. "What have you read?" "What degrees do you have?" "How many years did you serve in uniform?" "Eh, Bunky?" The =Perfesser has a forty plus year old stale Masturbater's degree in poli-sci, and he thinks it's the equivalent of the great INCA treasure. Once you recognize his ad hom tactic for what it is, just flush it, and keep posting your views. Sorry, but you're misusing "ad hominem". All I'm doing is asking him to defend his statements and clearly he's not capable of doing so. He offered blanket statements about Islam and given that he did that he should be capable of backing them up. When I get into arguments with you it's pretty much assumed that you can back them up. This guy can't. =Bob |
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Post by davdesid on Apr 29, 2011 16:36:21 GMT -8
I think if you go back and read the post a little more carefully, you will find that it was about "leaders"... the pope, the guy in SLC, etc. If you want to throw in with the grand ayatollahs in Teheran and their hand picked political puppet Ahmedinijad, or any of the other "leaders" of the "religion of peace", be my guest. And don't bother dipping into centuries old stale tales of atrocities by Crusaders and Inquisitionists. Some have managed to outgrow the barbarism, and some have not. Guess who? And my question would still be, who are the leaders of Christianity? Is Franklin Graham a Christian leader? Let's see what he said: "The Muslim Brotherhood is very strong and active here in our country," Graham tells Newsmax. "We have these people advising our military and State Department. We've brought in Muslims to tell us how to make policy toward Muslim countries.
"It's like a farmer asking a fox, 'How do I protect my hen house?'"Really, the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated government agencies? Are we now going to see a Congressional committee "investigating" the Muslim Brotherhood infiltration in government? And would that even be considered id we had a white president with a name like Bush or Johnson? And more to the point, when has it ever been bad policy to rely upon former citizens of this or that country to advise us on the country based solely upon their religion? =Bob Your question would still be....  Your question was: Really? Every one of the one billion Muslims on this planet will kill anyone who refuses to follow Islam?My answer was clear. The pope and the guy in SLC, and the Graham guy you cite, at least to my knowledge, are not fostering insane mass murder like these ayatollahs. You may not like their religious dogma, and I may not like it either. But none of them are encouraging women, children, or anyone else foolish enough to believe their religious bilge to commit suicide for some stupid asshole "god", just because someone else doesn't believe in their stupid asshole "god". Muslims do that. |
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Post by davdesid on Apr 29, 2011 16:44:15 GMT -8
Jeez, c'mon. The =Perfesser always tries to make the issue about YOU when he has nothing else to offer. That's been his shtick for years. "What have you read?" "What degrees do you have?" "How many years did you serve in uniform?" "Eh, Bunky?" The =Perfesser has a forty plus year old stale Masturbater's degree in poli-sci, and he thinks it's the equivalent of the great INCA treasure. Once you recognize his ad hom tactic for what it is, just flush it, and keep posting your views. Sorry, but you're misusing "ad hominem". All I'm doing is asking him to defend his statements and clearly he's not capable of doing so. He offered blanket statements about Islam and given that he did that he should be capable of backing them up. When I get into arguments with you it's pretty much assumed that you can back them up. This guy can't. =Bob Nice try at a desperate dodge, but you were asking him this: I see. So you read nothing but have done something? Enlighten me on what you've done.Typical of you. |
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Post by tuff on Apr 29, 2011 17:03:36 GMT -8
Adios Bob. Enjoy yourself. Jeez, c'mon. The =Perfesser always tries to make the issue about YOU when he has nothing else to offer. That's been his shtick for years. "What have you read?" "What degrees do you have?" "How many years did you serve in uniform?" "Eh, Bunky?" The =Perfesser has a forty plus year old stale Masturbater's degree in poli-sci, and he thinks it's the equivalent of the great INCA treasure. Once you recognize his ad hom tactic for what it is, just flush it, and keep posting your views. Oh. I'll keep posting my views Davdesid. I know Bob plays these kind of games and has tremendous knowledge abour everything . I just tend to ignore clowns like him and move on. He just ain't worth it to me. I've got better things to do and read than the horseshit he does. |
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Post by tuff on Apr 29, 2011 17:32:25 GMT -8
I can't think of any other religion today that straps bombs to their kids and treat their women as cattle. Barry coddles and smoozes with the very countries in the middle east that stay passive about these radicals. These same radicals that would exploit their kids and women and want
to take over the world with a religion that is totally intolerant of my way of life here in america. What a f**kin idiot for a president.
Until the arab world arrests and imprisons these radicals, and are tolerant of other religions by allowing churches and synagogues to be built in their countries, I wouldn't give them a damn thing.
It's time we stop buying their oil and start pumping our own in Wyomong, Colorado, Idaho, Alaska wherever. But, no. We have an idiot who bows to the Saudis and kisses their ass. $6.00/gallon here we come.
Oh yeah. Obama doesn't give a $#!+ about easter.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Apr 29, 2011 17:46:28 GMT -8
And my question would still be, who are the leaders of Christianity? Is Franklin Graham a Christian leader? Let's see what he said: "The Muslim Brotherhood is very strong and active here in our country," Graham tells Newsmax. "We have these people advising our military and State Department. We've brought in Muslims to tell us how to make policy toward Muslim countries.
"It's like a farmer asking a fox, 'How do I protect my hen house?'"Really, the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated government agencies? Are we now going to see a Congressional committee "investigating" the Muslim Brotherhood infiltration in government? And would that even be considered id we had a white president with a name like Bush or Johnson? And more to the point, when has it ever been bad policy to rely upon former citizens of this or that country to advise us on the country based solely upon their religion? =Bob Your question would still be.... Your question was: Really? Every one of the one billion Muslims on this planet will kill anyone who refuses to follow Islam?My answer was clear. The pope and the guy in SLC, and the Graham guy you cite, at least to my knowledge, are not fostering insane mass murder like these ayatollahs. You may not like their religious dogma, and I may not like it either. But none of them are encouraging women, children, or anyone else foolish enough to believe their religious bilge to commit suicide for some stupid asshole "god", just because someone else doesn't believe in their stupid asshole "god". Muslims do that. Isn't amazing how you make my point? =Bob |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Apr 30, 2011 6:15:19 GMT -8
At least here you have the right to challenge and/or accept it. Not so in the land of Ali Baba!! Which land would that be? Do Indonesians have the right to challenge Islam? Would you argue that Bali, which is 90 percent Hindu are somehow repressed in Indonesia, which has the largest Muslim population in the world, is being repressed? Do you actually understand that not all Muslims are located in the Middle East and South Asia? =Bob Be careful, Bob. It is common practice in Indonesia and Malaysia for bands of Islamic men to rape and behead adolescent Christian school girls because they have attended a Christian church or go to a Christian school. |
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, Heads of all the traditional religions)baptist, methodist, protestant). I don't see any of these guys promoting terrorism. In fact, they come out and condemn it.
