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Post by aztecmusician on Apr 23, 2011 12:28:54 GMT -8
What can you really expect from a bunch of AAA players and B list free agents? It's been this way for the past 4 seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2011 7:42:40 GMT -8
5 shutouts in 19 games. Took them 93 games to get to 5 shutouts last year. Padres won't score 10 runs this 4 game series. make it 6 outta 20. 10 runs this series was WAY over. Should have said 3. 4 games 3 runs. |
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Post by AztecBill on May 10, 2011 13:44:27 GMT -8
What can you really expect from a bunch of AAA players and B list free agents? It's been this way for the past 4 seasons. Petco Park effects the Padres offense. That effects your perception of the Padres offense. Since Petco Park opened the Padres have had better offenses than pitching. It is very hard to see since Petco Park clouds vision relating to offense. I make that statement based upon road numbers alone. The Padres are #4 in the NL in road scoring since since Petco Park opened. The Padres are #11 in the NL in road ERA since Petco Park opened. But the fans are convinced that the offense has sucked and the pitching has been great since Petco Park opened.
You said 4 years but just 4 years ago the Padres scored 418 runs on the road. That was the best for any non NL East team that year. The Padres were 2nd in the NL in total bases on the road. First in doubles and second in HRs. But the fact that they were last in most of those categories at home clouds perception of reality.
Over the past 4 years the Padres have been #9, #7, #10, #4 in scoring on the road. That is an average of #7.5. That is in the top half of the NL. TOP HALF. |
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Post by aztecron on May 11, 2011 9:49:04 GMT -8
What can you really expect from a bunch of AAA players and B list free agents? It's been this way for the past 4 seasons. Petco Park effects the Padres offense. That effects your perception of the Padres offense. Since Petco Park opened the Padres have had better offenses than pitching. It is very hard to see since Petco Park clouds vision relating to offense. I make that statement based upon road numbers alone. The Padres are #4 in the NL in road scoring since since Petco Park opened. The Padres are #11 in the NL in road ERA since Petco Park opened. But the fans are convinced that the offense has sucked and the pitching has been great since Petco Park opened.
You said 4 years but just 4 years ago the Padres scored 418 runs on the road. That was the best for any non NL East team that year. The Padres were 2nd in the NL in total bases on the road. First in doubles and second in HRs. But the fact that they were last in most of those categories at home clouds perception of reality.
Over the past 4 years the Padres have been #9, #7, #10, #4 in scoring on the road. That is an average of #7.5. That is in the top half of the NL. TOP HALF. Only problem is we play HALF our games in Petco. ;D |
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Post by AztecBill on May 11, 2011 13:30:17 GMT -8
Only problem is we play HALF our games in Petco. ;D But so do our opponents. 2010 runs at Petco ParkPadres 322 P.Opp. 262 --------------- Difference 60 runs. The Padres scored 60 more runs than our opponents in Petco Park. Some credit goes to our pitching but the Padres hitters also get some credit. As seen by our history since Petco Park opened, our hitters are way under rated by the average fan. #4 in road runs since 2004.
This year the Padres are 3rd in the NL in Runs/Game on the road. Petco Park vails the Truth about our hitting. |
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Post by aztecron on May 11, 2011 15:56:59 GMT -8
Only problem is we play HALF our games in Petco. ;D But so do our opponents. 2010 runs at Petco ParkPadres 322 P.Opp. 262 --------------- Difference 60 runs. The Padres scored 60 more runs than our opponents in Petco Park. Some credit goes to our pitching but the Padres hitters also get some credit. As seen by our history since Petco Park opened, our hitters are way under rated by the average fan. #4 in road runs since 2004.
This year the Padres are 3rd in the NL in Runs/Game on the road. Petco Park vails the Truth about our hitting. Call it what you want, Bill. It is one half of our games, veil or not. and that's the truth. |
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Post by AztecBill on May 12, 2011 16:54:04 GMT -8
But so do our opponents. 2010 runs at Petco ParkPadres 322 P.Opp. 262 --------------- Difference 60 runs. The Padres scored 60 more runs than our opponents in Petco Park. Some credit goes to our pitching but the Padres hitters also get some credit. As seen by our history since Petco Park opened, our hitters are way under rated by the average fan. #4 in road runs since 2004.
This year the Padres are 3rd in the NL in Runs/Game on the road. Petco Park vails the Truth about our hitting. Call it what you want, Bill. It is one half of our games, veil or not. and that's the truth. Nighttime is half your life does that make you believe red is gray and yellow white? You have a mind to decide which is right and which is an illusion. I can't believe anyone would think it doesn't make a difference. Below is all NL teams yearly ERAs at home and on the road along with their ranking for those venues. The Padres pitching is #1 in home ERA at 3.45. But they are #11 in road ERA at 4.56. At home gods. On the road, road kill. Gee, our hitting is just the opposite. Road kill at home and gods on the road. Did I write gods on the road? Yes. The Padres are #4 in the NL in scoring on the road since Petco Park opened. Much better than their pitching rating of #11. Sad truth that your "eyes" won't show you, is our hitting has been much better than our pitching. | | Team - Home | 2010 | 2009 | 2008 | 2007 | 2006 | 2005 | 2004 | Average ERA | | 1 | San Diego | 2.9 | 3.44 | 3.65 | 3.02 | 3.75 | 3.52 | 3.85 | 3.45 | | 2 | St. Louis | 2.92 | 3.44 | 4.06 | 4.13 | 3.93 | 3.44 | 3.54 | 3.64 | | 3 | LA Dodgers | 3.81 | 3.1 | 3.01 | 4.24 | 4.11 | 3.94 | 3.71 | 3.70 | | 4 | NY Mets | 3.07 | 3.98 | 3.78 | 4.2 | 3.76 | 3.45 | 3.73 | 3.71 | | 5 | Atlanta | 3.18 | 3.43 | 4.44 | 3.96 | 4.33 | 3.82 | 3.59 | 3.82 | | 6 | Houston | 3.51 | 4.01 | 4.25 | 4.05 | 4.03 | 3.07 | 3.91 | 3.83 | | 7 | San Francisco | 3.07 | 3.27 | 4.45 | 4.01 | 4.35 | 4.22 | 4.4 | 3.97 | | 8 | Milwaukee | 4.5 | 4.42 | 3.49 | 4.01 | 4.45 | 3.76 | 4.09 | 4.10 | | 9 | Chicago Cubs | 4.48 | 3.94 | 3.77 | 4.19 | 4.68 | 4.04 | 3.91 | 4.14 | | 10 | Florida | 3.88 | 4.47 | 4.3 | 4.78 | 4.07 | 3.82 | 3.74 | 4.15 | | 11 | Washington | 3.97 | 4.67 | 4.56 | 4.08 | 4.66 | 3.56 | 4.11 | 4.23 | | 12 | Philadelphia | 3.47 | 4.29 | 3.65 | 4.78 | 4.7 | 4.48 | 4.31 | 4.24 | | 13 | Pittsburgh | 4.54 | 4.01 | 4.52 | 4.55 | 4.08 | 4.24 | 3.8 | 4.25 | | 14 | Cincinnati | 3.98 | 4.06 | 4.51 | 4.93 | 4.74 | 5.16 | 4.74 | 4.59 | | 15 | Arizona | 4.53 | 4.74 | 4.08 | 4.11 | 4.81 | 5.27 | 4.71 | 4.61 | | 16 | Colorado | 4.25 | 4.41 | 4.83 | 4.34 | 4.72 | 5.18 | 6.27 | 4.86 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Team - Away | 2010 | 2009 | 2008 | 2007 | 2006 | 2005 | 2004 | Average ERA | | 1 | Chicago Cubs | 3.87 | 3.73 | 3.97 | 3.88 | 4.81 | 4.36 | 3.71 | 4.05 | | 2 | Atlanta | 3.96 | 3.73 | 4.48 | 4.27 | 4.87 | 4.16 | 3.91 | 4.20 | | 3 | San Francisco | 3.67 | 3.85 | 4.3 | 4.39 | 4.92 | 4.45 | 4.18 | 4.25 | | 4 | Philadelphia | 3.9 | 4.02 | 4.13 | 4.69 | 4.52 | 3.93 | 4.61 | 4.26 | | 5 | LA Dodgers | 4.24 | 3.73 | 4.38 | 4.16 | 4.35 | 4.85 | 4.31 | 4.29 | | 6 | St. Louis | 4.27 | 3.89 | 4.32 | 5.19 | 5.19 | 3.54 | 3.96 | 4.34 | | 7 | Arizona | 5.1 | 4.08 | 3.88 | 4.17 | 4.14 | 4.38 | 5.27 | 4.43 | | 8 | NY Mets | 4.35 | 4.96 | 4.37 | 4.32 | 4.56 | 4.08 | 4.46 | 4.44 | | 9 | Colorado | 4.02 | 4.03 | 4.7 | 4.29 | 4.59 | 5.07 | 4.77 | 4.50 | | 10 | Florida | 4.3 | 4.1 | 4.57 | 5.12 | 4.68 | 4.51 | 4.47 | 4.54 | | 11 | San Diego | 3.91 | 5.38 | 5.23 | 4.42 | 3.99 | 4.79 | 4.22 | 4.56 | | 12 | Houston | 4.7 | 5.12 | 4.48 | 5.36 | 4.14 | 3.98 | 4.21 | 4.57 | | 13 | Milwaukee | 4.67 | 5.26 | 4.24 | 4.83 | 5.21 | 4.19 | 4.4 | 4.69 | | 14 | Cincinnati | 4.05 | 4.3 | 4.59 | 4.96 | 4.27 | 5.14 | 5.66 | 4.71 | | 15 | Washington | 4.3 | 5.36 | 4.76 | 5.1 | 5.43 | 4.19 | 4.55 | 4.81 | | 16 | Pittsburgh | 5.48 | 5.22 | 5.7 | 5.33 | 5 | 4.62 | 4.79 | 5.16 |
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Post by AztecBill on May 12, 2011 17:18:33 GMT -8
Call it what you want, Bill. It is one half of our games, veil or not. and that's the truth. Nighttime is half your life does that make you believe red is gray and yellow white? You have a mind to decide which is right and which is an illusion. I can't believe anyone would think it doesn't make a difference. Below is all NL teams yearly ERAs at home and on the road along with their ranking for those venues. The Padres pitching is #1 in home ERA at 3.45. But they are #11 in road ERA at 4.56. At home gods. On the road, road kill. Gee, our hitting is just the opposite. Road kill at home and gods on the road. Did I write gods on the road? Yes. The Padres are #4 in the NL in scoring on the road since Petco Park opened. Much better than their pitching rating of #11. Sad truth that your "eyes" won't show you, is our hitting has been much better than our pitching. | | Team - Home | 2010 | 2009 | 2008 | 2007 | 2006 | 2005 | 2004 | Average ERA | | 1 | San Diego | 2.9 | 3.44 | 3.65 | 3.02 | 3.75 | 3.52 | 3.85 | 3.45 | | 2 | St. Louis | 2.92 | 3.44 | 4.06 | 4.13 | 3.93 | 3.44 | 3.54 | 3.64 | | 3 | LA Dodgers | 3.81 | 3.1 | 3.01 | 4.24 | 4.11 | 3.94 | 3.71 | 3.70 | | 4 | NY Mets | 3.07 | 3.98 | 3.78 | 4.2 | 3.76 | 3.45 | 3.73 | 3.71 | | 5 | Atlanta | 3.18 | 3.43 | 4.44 | 3.96 | 4.33 | 3.82 | 3.59 | 3.82 | | 6 | Houston | 3.51 | 4.01 | 4.25 | 4.05 | 4.03 | 3.07 | 3.91 | 3.83 | | 7 | San Francisco | 3.07 | 3.27 | 4.45 | 4.01 | 4.35 | 4.22 | 4.4 | 3.97 | | 8 | Milwaukee | 4.5 | 4.42 | 3.49 | 4.01 | 4.45 | 3.76 | 4.09 | 4.10 | | 9 | Chicago Cubs | 4.48 | 3.94 | 3.77 | 4.19 | 4.68 | 4.04 | 3.91 | 4.14 | | 10 | Florida | 3.88 | 4.47 | 4.3 | 4.78 | 4.07 | 3.82 | 3.74 | 4.15 | | 11 | Washington | 3.97 | 4.67 | 4.56 | 4.08 | 4.66 | 3.56 | 4.11 | 4.23 | | 12 | Philadelphia | 3.47 | 4.29 | 3.65 | 4.78 | 4.7 | 4.48 | 4.31 | 4.24 | | 13 | Pittsburgh | 4.54 | 4.01 | 4.52 | 4.55 | 4.08 | 4.24 | 3.8 | 4.25 | | 14 | Cincinnati | 3.98 | 4.06 | 4.51 | 4.93 | 4.74 | 5.16 | 4.74 | 4.59 | | 15 | Arizona | 4.53 | 4.74 | 4.08 | 4.11 | 4.81 | 5.27 | 4.71 | 4.61 | | 16 | Colorado | 4.25 | 4.41 | 4.83 | 4.34 | 4.72 | 5.18 | 6.27 | 4.86 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Team - Away | 2010 | 2009 | 2008 | 2007 | 2006 | 2005 | 2004 | Average ERA | | 1 | Chicago Cubs | 3.87 | 3.73 | 3.97 | 3.88 | 4.81 | 4.36 | 3.71 | 4.05 | | 2 | Atlanta | 3.96 | 3.73 | 4.48 | 4.27 | 4.87 | 4.16 | 3.91 | 4.20 | | 3 | San Francisco | 3.67 | 3.85 | 4.3 | 4.39 | 4.92 | 4.45 | 4.18 | 4.25 | | 4 | Philadelphia | 3.9 | 4.02 | 4.13 | 4.69 | 4.52 | 3.93 | 4.61 | 4.26 | | 5 | LA Dodgers | 4.24 | 3.73 | 4.38 | 4.16 | 4.35 | 4.85 | 4.31 | 4.29 | | 6 | St. Louis | 4.27 | 3.89 | 4.32 | 5.19 | 5.19 | 3.54 | 3.96 | 4.34 | | 7 | Arizona | 5.1 | 4.08 | 3.88 | 4.17 | 4.14 | 4.38 | 5.27 | 4.43 | | 8 | NY Mets | 4.35 | 4.96 | 4.37 | 4.32 | 4.56 | 4.08 | 4.46 | 4.44 | | 9 | Colorado | 4.02 | 4.03 | 4.7 | 4.29 | 4.59 | 5.07 | 4.77 | 4.50 | | 10 | Florida | 4.3 | 4.1 | 4.57 | 5.12 | 4.68 | 4.51 | 4.47 | 4.54 | | 11 | San Diego | 3.91 | 5.38 | 5.23 | 4.42 | 3.99 | 4.79 | 4.22 | 4.56 | | 12 | Houston | 4.7 | 5.12 | 4.48 | 5.36 | 4.14 | 3.98 | 4.21 | 4.57 | | 13 | Milwaukee | 4.67 | 5.26 | 4.24 | 4.83 | 5.21 | 4.19 | 4.4 | 4.69 | | 14 | Cincinnati | 4.05 | 4.3 | 4.59 | 4.96 | 4.27 | 5.14 | 5.66 | 4.71 | | 15 | Washington | 4.3 | 5.36 | 4.76 | 5.1 | 5.43 | 4.19 | 4.55 | 4.81 | | 16 | Pittsburgh | 5.48 | 5.22 | 5.7 | 5.33 | 5 | 4.62 | 4.79 | 5.16 |
Notice last year our opponents scored over a run a game less at Petco Park. The Padres only scored a total of 31 more runs on the road. So Petco Park effected the Padres much less than our opponents. But it still effected the Padres. |
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Post by aztecron on May 13, 2011 8:53:54 GMT -8
Lets see those stats this year at the end of the season without AGon in the lineup to fall back on. My last comment on this particular thread as it's easy to see that you see your side of the conversation (away) while I see my side (home) is this following stat and I'd like to see you refute this one, Bill. 8 times we've been shutout already this year. Is that a matter of our pitching or our hitting?  **edit** I didn't mean for my comment above about "my last comment" to sound so snarky, not what I meant, and I certainly didn't mean to say it in a cross way if it came across that way. My apologies upfront. |
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Post by aztecron on May 13, 2011 9:25:55 GMT -8
1:35 Comment From BT Has the team been working with the players on staying calm with RISP? It seems like every game, there's at least one player who hacks at a ball five feet out of the strike zone with a runner on third. 1:36 Bill Center: And less than one out when he does, usually swinging at strike for the second out. Ouch. www.signonsandiego.com/padres-chat/This from the daily Padres beat writer in his chat yesterday. It seems other people see the same things a lot of us are seeing, with our eyes. |
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Post by AztecBill on May 13, 2011 13:15:05 GMT -8
1:35 Comment From BT Has the team been working with the players on staying calm with RISP? It seems like every game, there's at least one player who hacks at a ball five feet out of the strike zone with a runner on third. 1:36 Bill Center: And less than one out when he does, usually swinging at strike for the second out. Ouch. www.signonsandiego.com/padres-chat/This from the daily Padres beat writer in his chat yesterday. It seems other people see the same things a lot of us are seeing, with our eyes. Padres have had a lot of players hitting below their lifetime and recent numbers. There is no question about that. But everyone should be aware that we have been hitting much better in May. Compared to all MLB April Padres #30 (Last) in team OPS. Padres 16# in NL OPS May versus all 30 teams including DH using AL teams, unless otherwise specified. Padres tied #9 in team OPS. Padres 3# in NL OPS Padres #9 (one ahead of Yankees) in SLG. Padres #9 in OBP. Padres #5 in BA Padres #5 in Runs / Game.
This is a reflection of a lot of players starting to hit. Headley, Hawpe, Venable, Bartlett, and Maybin are all hitting better. |
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Post by aztecron on May 14, 2011 8:31:59 GMT -8
Small sample size, but, improvement, none the less. Now, if we can keep it up for an extended period of time then I'll be happy.
I love the fact Maybin has these spurts of super baseball. Hopefully he can turn those spurts into extended excellence. Just let him play and get at bats. His defense is stellar right now, and only going to get better. I really don't care long term what Cantu and Hawpe do as they are not the future face of the franchise, but love seeing them starting to hit.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 8:53:51 GMT -8
Boys averaging nearly 6 runs a game on the road trip. Now the starting pitching has been pretty bad  no question petco is such a killer. |
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Post by AztecBill on May 16, 2011 8:14:46 GMT -8
Boys averaging nearly 6 runs a game on the road trip. Now the starting pitching has been pretty bad no question petco is such a killer. They will be home in a few days. That is when the pitching will suddenly find themselves again and the hitting will become more pedestrian.
Padres now #2 in the NL in scoring on the road. Overall and per game. |
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Post by brotherhood on May 17, 2011 7:05:58 GMT -8
Am I the only one that loves the big ball park. Cater your players to a big park. Speed and line drive hitters. Get one big hitter that hits 25 homers. Speed Defense And Pitching. I like where these Padres are heading in the next few years.
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Post by AztecBill on May 17, 2011 9:51:07 GMT -8
Am I the only one that loves the big ball park. Cater your players to a big park. Speed and line drive hitters. Get one big hitter that hits 25 homers. Speed Defense And Pitching. I like where these Padres are heading in the next few years. Where they are heading? As I see it: The Padres farm system is really starting to benefit from recent good drafts. Starting with the 2007 draft, the Padres drafts have got better and better (finally). Starting in 2007 they also started being a serious player in the foreign market. A strong minor leagues is the key to winning at the big league level for a modest salary level. The Padres salary level will increase as revenue increases. That will come from two areas. First TV revenue will increase significantly after this year. This is the last year of the 10 year Cox Cable deal. The new deal will be for much more money. Second, attendance. As they start to win and almost more importantly, as salary improves and fans stop being so cynical because of perceived mismanagement, attendance will increase back to the 2.7 range instead of the 1.9-2.1 range. The system that wins for modest salary type teams is based upon feeding back into the minor leagues. That is done four ways. First, signing one year contracts and getting draft choices as compensation when they leave. Second, trading top players before they become free agents for minor leaguers. Third, signing foreign players. Forth, being aggressive in drafts by selecting players who are better than the position drafted but are not likely to sign, and then convincing them to sign for first round money. Last year we signed 6th round players for 1.2 million. No one expected him to sign with anyone. If they had, he would have been a first round pick. When these four aspects are in place, we can feed the major league club with major leaguers and instead of signing four $5 million free agents we can sign one $20 million dollar free agent at a key spot that is not adequately filled by our minor leagues. That is the winning formula. We have the GM in place who buys into that method. The Padres will be consistent winners. |
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