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Post by Azthetic on Jul 1, 2010 20:04:23 GMT -8
I just hope that we are someday at a point when we are not worried about what is good enough to get by.
It's like having the minimum number of pieces of flair in Office Space.
While we should not be myopic about our chances, we need to step out and start to expect greatness or we will only get what we ask for.
Fisher's teams have been overcoming many of our past obstacles and the quality of recruits that we are getting interested in us means that we are getting to be something more than just a safe bet.
Stand up and be proud. We're going places this season and well into the future.
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Post by monty on Jul 1, 2010 20:20:31 GMT -8
I just hope that we are someday at a point when we are not worried about what is good enough to get by. It's like having the minimum number of pieces of flair in Office Space. While we should not be myopic about our chances, we need to step out and start to expect greatness or we will only get what we ask for. Fisher's teams have been overcoming many of our past obstacles and the quality of recruits that we are getting interested in us means that we are getting to be something more than just a safe bet. Stand up and be proud. We're going places this season and well into the future. This is true, there was certainty a bit of happy to be here from the team and some bright lights during the first half; they have been there and when they get back this year they'll be the first crew to get a second chance |
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Post by pokinsky on Jul 1, 2010 20:31:47 GMT -8
more importantly ... the other players like LBF, Jamaal, Thames, Tapley, etc will get a taste of winning at that level and it will soon be expected.
If Leonard comes back for his junior year and Crowder brings it every night ... all we need is one more big and we should get back to the dance again in 2011.
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 1, 2010 21:28:20 GMT -8
With this board a Final Four apperance. Well, either that or a) reaching the TOP 25 for one week or b) winning one NCAA TOURNAMENT game. I'm still not aware of any other coach who has been at the same place for ELEVEN years and failed to accomplish either of the above. NO ONE on this board is expecting us to be DUKE or anything close to it, but I find this streak of Fish's to be absolutely ASTOUNDING, kinda like the Padres having neither a NO HITTER or a CYCLE---you'd think that by BLIND CHANCE either would have happened by now. As long as we're playing the kind of OOC schedule we've been playing, the number of wins is almost immaterial in itself. Who cares if we win 20, 25, or 28 games if it doesn't get us into the POLLS or culminate in a tournament win? I honestly think that this STREAK is the most amazing thing Fish has accomplished (and all kidding aside, he has indeed accomplished a lot). I don't know that any other coach has ever done it. 1)The stars are aligned for a Sweet 16 tourney run! 2)Also a top 25 recruiting class to confirm the reloading and not rebuilding. See above. Tom Green, 26 years, no wins. Dennis Wolff, 15 years, no wins. |
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Post by AzTeCViC on Jul 2, 2010 7:14:39 GMT -8
A Win in the tourney. That is all  . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2010 8:47:42 GMT -8
My only point was that the greatest coach EVER in the history of college basketball only won "1" NCAA tourney game over a 17 year period. Now that his body is cold, I'll go ahead and say it... Why is this guy considered the greatest college basketball coach ever? As we all know, he didn't get a lot done until they started buying his players for him. I think it's generally accepted that Sam Gilbert had absolutely no involvement with UCLA basketball until after Wooden won his second NC in 1967. Not just that, but did Gilbert do anything more in terms of slipping money to players than some Indiana alumni did when Bobby Knight was there? Also, I can't remember the coach's name anymore (Norm somebody?) but the NC State guy with the funky plaid sport coats who ended Wooden's run with the likes of David Thompson was found to have benefited a bit from slimy alumni as well. I don't care about UCLA nor do I particularly care about John Wooden but to be fair, although I agree with you that for most of his great run his program wasn't exactly squeeky clean, that doesn't mean he still wasn't the greatest coach ever. Those are among the reasons I will never excoriate Fish for what occurred at Michigan. You yourself have said a time or two that given the slap on the wrist the NCAA imposes for violations of its rules that it's virtually impossible to win a NC without cheating a little. |
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Jul 2, 2010 9:52:03 GMT -8
Attendance has nothing to do with Fisher, it has to do with you, the fans. After the product that Fisher has put on the floor, those of you that do not have season tickets are the problem. But then, maybe you do not live in San Diego. I know that ActecCannon has season tickets and does not live here.
Talk about Fisher all you want, but he is not the problem at SDSU. San Diego has never been a basketball town.
There is so much that can happen during a season. So if all the players stay eligible and healthy, going to the NCAA tourney is success. A win depends on the seed, and that depends on the MWC power rating (which was good last year). Fisher has little control of these issues.
Here is something to think about. If we do get a good run, I bet Fisher retires.
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Post by monty on Jul 2, 2010 9:53:27 GMT -8
The seed has a lot to do with winning non-conf. games; our problem has often been we have some really bad loss(es) and no marquee wins.
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Post by longtimebooster on Jul 2, 2010 11:54:03 GMT -8
With this board a Final Four apperance. Well, either that or a) reaching the TOP 25 for one week or b) winning one NCAA TOURNAMENT game. I'm still not aware of any other coach who has been at the same place for ELEVEN years and failed to accomplish either of the above. NO ONE on this board is expecting us to be DUKE or anything close to it, but I find this streak of Fish's to be absolutely ASTOUNDING, kinda like the Padres having neither a NO HITTER or a CYCLE---you'd think that by BLIND CHANCE either would have happened by now. As long as we're playing the kind of OOC schedule we've been playing, the number of wins is almost immaterial in itself. Who cares if we win 20, 25, or 28 games if it doesn't get us into the POLLS or culminate in a tournament win? I honestly think that this STREAK is the most amazing thing Fish has accomplished (and all kidding aside, he has indeed accomplished a lot). I don't know that any other coach has ever done it. 1)The stars are aligned for a Sweet 16 tourney run! 2)Also a top 25 recruiting class to confirm the reloading and not rebuilding. See above. C'mon, JYP, there are a gazillion coaches out there who have coached cr*ppy teams for a decade or longer without so much as a sniff at the Top 25 or even the NCAA Tourney. In fact, I have a doozy for you. While at SDSU, I did an exchange program with the University of New Hampshire. They certainly love their hockey at UNH. Basketball, not so much. The hockey team spent much of the semester I was there ranked No. 1 in the country. They ended up losing to Wisconsin in the NCAA Championship game. As for hoops, Wikipedia had this to say: The men's basketball program has a long-standing reputation for futility even though the team has improved significantly in recent years. UNH was one of the first schools to take up the sport, but since 1903, no Wildcats team has made it to the NCAA or NIT tournaments and no ex-Wildcat player has made it to the NBA. The Wildcats' rivalry with the Maine Black Bears is the longest continuous basketball rivalry between any two non-Ivy League schools: the men's teams have played each other 105 seasons in a row, from 1904-1905 to the present season (2008-2009.) While at UNH, one of the hoops players lived on the same floor I did in the dorms. I played several pick up games with the guy, and trust me, I had no clue how he had landed an NCAA scholarship. At any rate, their coach at the time was a guy named Gerry Friel. He was hired around 1972 and coached until 1992, or thereabouts. They finally canned the guy after he turned in three straight 4-win seasons. It was national news because UNH had kept him for so long. Many found it inspirational that the school was more concerned about academics and good sportsmanship than wins and losses. (Yeah, go tell that to the hockey team, coaches, fans, boosters.) Friel coached for 20 years, piling up a 185-335 record. He had only two winning seasons, with an average record of 9-17 and a cumulative winning percentage of 0.356. You said you couldn't think of anyone, so I just thought I'd help you out. I'm sure there are many others. I just happened to know about this guy off the top of my head. Considering where Fish came from (we were, sadly, as bad at hoops as UNH), I am not surprised at all that it's taken him a decade to put this team on the threshold of having a true breakout season. |
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