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Post by aztectone on Jul 1, 2010 12:49:48 GMT -8
1)The stars are aligned for a Sweet 16 tourney run!
2)Also a top 25 recruiting class to confirm the reloading and not rebuilding.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2010 13:43:56 GMT -8
Agreed. And to get it, we can't repeat the following mistakes we made each of the last two years: 1. Losing at Laramie. (Our vast talent superiority should overcome their altitude advantage nine times out of ten.) 2. Losing at Viejas Arena to YBU. (Gotta beat on Fredette. Hard.) 3. Failing to pick up even one quality OOC road win. (UNLV gets at least one every year. Why not us?) I'm convinced if we don't repeat those mistakes that we will be so highly ranked that even if we don't win the conference tournament again, we will be a lock for an NCAA bid. Not only that but the committee won't send us from San Diego to the farthest northeast tournament site. UNLV's best road OOC win last year was #96. SDSU's best road OOC win last year was #94. I stand corrected. Should have said UNLV gets one big OOC win every year. Last year it was at the T&M over then #16 Louisville: www.uoflsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112809aaa.htmlAnd UNLV also beat Louisville the year before that and Minnesota the year before that and Texas Tech the year before that. (Of course, since you generally disagree with everything I say, I'm sure you'll have some rejoinder to that too.) |
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Post by pokinsky on Jul 1, 2010 13:53:26 GMT -8
The only way next year is a failure ... is if people fail to recognize we still have more games to play, before the season is over. Because we will almost certainly lose a game or 2 next year OOC and people will start posting "what's the excuse now!" .. "NIT again!" .. "fire Fisher" .. "see, I told you so, we will always suck" .. etc.
If at the end (or midway) of the 2010 season, you feel it was a complete failure, then fine ... but just don't tell me/us that I/we have to agree with you only 8 or 18 games in, that all hope is lost.
And even if we don't win a single ncaa game ... but because we are in the top 25 for 15 straight weeks, which then leads to our best recruiting class ever, and 3 straight sweet 16's ... would it still be a failure?
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Post by monty on Jul 1, 2010 14:00:10 GMT -8
On paper the team should win a bunch of games, win one or both conf. titles and make a run in the NCAAs. Of meeting the numerical expectations I could care less, it is the blowing leads and the end game, or coming out flat like they were happy to be there in the NCAAs that have worried me; it has been the soft schedules and as the result bad seeds.
What is good enough?: a solid schedule, not losing to Pacific or Directional Michigan/Colorado, not losing at WYO and positioning themselves to the point where it is an upset if they lose in the NCAAs.
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 1, 2010 14:54:24 GMT -8
With this board a Final Four apperance. Well, either that or a) reaching the TOP 25 for one week or b) winning one NCAA TOURNAMENT game. I'm still not aware of any other coach who has been at the same place for ELEVEN years and failed to accomplish either of the above. NO ONE on this board is expecting us to be DUKE or anything close to it, but I find this streak of Fish's to be absolutely ASTOUNDING, kinda like the Padres having neither a NO HITTER or a CYCLE---you'd think that by BLIND CHANCE either would have happened by now. As long as we're playing the kind of OOC schedule we've been playing, the number of wins is almost immaterial in itself. Who cares if we win 20, 25, or 28 games if it doesn't get us into the POLLS or culminate in a tournament win? I honestly think that this STREAK is the most amazing thing Fish has accomplished (and all kidding aside, he has indeed accomplished a lot). I don't know that any other coach has ever done it. 1)The stars are aligned for a Sweet 16 tourney run! 2)Also a top 25 recruiting class to confirm the reloading and not rebuilding. See above. That would be a tough one to look up John, but I am sure there have been many coaches that haven't won a NCAA game in 11 years. I could be wrong, but I think that John Wooden first 16 years went something like this... -No NCAA tourney wins in his first 7 years. -A win in his 8th year. -No NCAA tourney wins in his next 8 years. So John Wooden (If I'm correct) had "1" NCAA win in his first 16 years. |
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Post by Old School on Jul 1, 2010 15:13:20 GMT -8
Sweet Sixteen, no less.
Don't hate because I have high expectations of such a great SDSU bball program.
Oldie Out
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 1, 2010 15:18:42 GMT -8
-No NCAA tourney wins in his first 7 years.-A win in his 8th year -No NCAA tourney wins in his next 8 years. 7<11 8<11 And his one win was a 3rd place game. In other words, he lost the first game of the tournement that year too, but in those days they had 3rd place games in the regionals. I say we review this after year 16 JYP.  |
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Post by pokinsky on Jul 1, 2010 15:20:25 GMT -8
-No NCAA tourney wins in his first 7 years.-A win in his 8th year -No NCAA tourney wins in his next 8 years. 7<11 8<11 5>1 After 16 years the comparison will be legit. I say that if Fisher is the coach here for 16 years, he will end up with 5+ tourney wins. |
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 1, 2010 15:25:28 GMT -8
Maybe Miners22 is right. Are we thinking to low (as a fan base)...
-Five returning starters.
-7 of the top 9 scorers returning.
-2 (and maybe 3) guys getting a NBA look.
-WCC first team all frosh eligible from Santa Clara.
I think many of us (me being one) that is in that old Aztec mode....Just feeling something will happen along the way.
CURSE.....BE DAMNED!!!!
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Post by monty on Jul 1, 2010 15:31:14 GMT -8
And how big was the tourney when wooden coached? How many teams from a conference could attend?
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 1, 2010 15:37:35 GMT -8
And how big was the tourney when wooden coached? How many teams from a conference could attend? I'm not sure. I think it was 32 in the 60's. I'm sure it was much smaller in the 50's. |
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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Jul 1, 2010 16:04:12 GMT -8
I like the average attendance of 8,000 fans per game expectation. I would also like to see Viejas sell out for games other than BYU, Arizona and when the league championship is on the line.
How about 6-8 sell outs? Anything less would be a disappointment. It's on the fans to elevate the program too!
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Post by pokinsky on Jul 1, 2010 16:30:58 GMT -8
That would be a tough one to look up John, but I am sure there have been many coaches that haven't won a NCAA game in 11 years. At the SAME school? For eleven CONSECUTIVE years? I've tried and tried but I can't find another. You're a better DETECTIVE than I, however, so see if you can FIND OUT. I think we have a historical FIRST here. I might be in the minority but I blame Heath for us not having a ncaa win more than I do Fisher. That game was won until he dribbled the ball off his foot. And 2 years ago he suspended Wade, and we barely lost at home to #15 ranked ASU and end up being the last team left out of the dance ... if Wade plays we probably win, we make the dance with a senior laden team and who knows. 3 years ago he kicks the returning C off of the team in Habel off, and they still won 20 games. You could argue he recruited these players ... but I also respect the fact that he punished them and didn't turn his back like most coaches do, just to get wins. He inherited one of the worst college teams in D-1 (yes we don't have a ncaa win yet) ... but it's a clean program, that's on the rise and we will likely start next year ranked top 25. Stop bitching about what hasn't happened, and get excited for what is going to happen. |
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Post by monty on Jul 1, 2010 16:54:30 GMT -8
And how big was the tourney when wooden coached? How many teams from a conference could attend? I'm not sure. I think it was 32 in the 60's. I'm sure it was much smaller in the 50's. But, the biggest thing is I forget the year, but I think it was well within his run, only one team from a conference could go, so it is apples and oranges not just his coaching acumen, but his circumstances. If it took him a few years to win a game it is a big difference than 11 years and not winning a game when the tourney invites 30 some at-large teams and as many as you can field from a conference. |
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 1, 2010 17:01:38 GMT -8
I'm not sure. I think it was 32 in the 60's. I'm sure it was much smaller in the 50's. But, the biggest thing is I forget the year, but I think it was well within his run, only one team from a conference could go, so it is apples and oranges not just his coaching acumen, but his circumstances. If it took him a few years to win a game it is a big difference than 11 years and not winning a game when the tourney invites 30 some at-large teams and as many as you can field from a conference. My only point was that the greatest coach EVER in the history of college basketball only won "1" NCAA tourney game over a 17 year period. Although I want a NCAA tourney win as much as anybody here, I think that there are probably others too. If the greatest coach ever went 17 years with only one win, there has to be others. Back to the thread....Yes, I think we should win a NCAA game this year and will be disappointed if we don't. |
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Post by monty on Jul 1, 2010 17:18:45 GMT -8
But, the biggest thing is I forget the year, but I think it was well within his run, only one team from a conference could go, so it is apples and oranges not just his coaching acumen, but his circumstances. If it took him a few years to win a game it is a big difference than 11 years and not winning a game when the tourney invites 30 some at-large teams and as many as you can field from a conference. My only point was that the greatest coach EVER in the history of college basketball only won "1" NCAA tourney game over a 17 year period. Although I want a NCAA tourney win as much as anybody here, I think that there are probably others too. If the greatest coach ever went 17 years with only one win, there has to be others. Back to the thread....Yes, I think we should win a NCAA game this year and will be disappointed if we don't. And it's like saying Joe McCarthy or some old time manager only won a couple of playoff games. And I looked it up, the first year he went with ucla in 1950, there were 8 teams in the tournament and my grandfather's tiny alma mater of Bradley beat UCLA. (BYU beat UCLA to take 3rd place in the west by the way). You can't explain away fisher not winning by comparing him with Wooden. Hopefully this will be the year. |
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 1, 2010 17:22:41 GMT -8
My only point was that the greatest coach EVER in the history of college basketball only won "1" NCAA tourney game over a 17 year period. Although I want a NCAA tourney win as much as anybody here, I think that there are probably others too. If the greatest coach ever went 17 years with only one win, there has to be others. Back to the thread....Yes, I think we should win a NCAA game this year and will be disappointed if we don't. And it's like saying Joe McCarthy or some old time manager only won a couple of playoff games. And I looked it up, the first year he went with ucla in 1950, there were 8 teams in the tournament and my grandfather's tiny alma mater of Bradley beat UCLA. (BYU beat UCLA to take 3rd place in the west by the way). You can't explain away fisher not winning by comparing him with Wooden. Hopefully this will be the year. Monty, what is your problem?  I made a simple statement. The great John Wooden won "1" NCAA tourney game over an 16/17 year period. (And by the way, maybe you missed the winks on my post to JohnYourPal. He is a friend of mine and I am giving him a hard time) The statement is nothing more or nothing less. It is what it is. As I said....Back to the topic. Go Steve Fisher!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2010 17:41:02 GMT -8
I remember vividly that in 1972-1973, only the first place team from the Pac-8 could even go to the NCAAs. That year Paul Westphal, Mo Layton and USC lost only two games all year, both to undefeated UCLA, one by a single point if I recall correctly, yet the Trojans ended up in the NIT.
Speaking of the NIT, how many games had SDSU won in THAT tournament before Steve Fisher?
Bottom Line: If we take care of bidness in the regular season like we should, the streak ends this coming March.
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 1, 2010 18:58:45 GMT -8
Just one NCAA win does it for me..... Me too. I am afraid that if we got to the sweet sixteen I would have a heart attack. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 1, 2010 19:13:51 GMT -8
With this board a Final Four apperance. Well, either that or a) reaching the TOP 25 for one week or b) winning one NCAA TOURNAMENT game. I'm still not aware of any other coach who has been at the same place for ELEVEN years and failed to accomplish either of the above. NO ONE on this board is expecting us to be DUKE or anything close to it, but I find this streak of Fish's to be absolutely ASTOUNDING, kinda like the Padres having neither a NO HITTER or a CYCLE---you'd think that by BLIND CHANCE either would have happened by now. As long as we're playing the kind of OOC schedule we've been playing, the number of wins is almost immaterial in itself. Who cares if we win 20, 25, or 28 games if it doesn't get us into the POLLS or culminate in a tournament win? I honestly think that this STREAK is the most amazing thing Fish has accomplished (and all kidding aside, he has indeed accomplished a lot). I don't know that any other coach has ever done it. 1)The stars are aligned for a Sweet 16 tourney run! 2)Also a top 25 recruiting class to confirm the reloading and not rebuilding. See above. Check Bill Carmody of Northwestern. Been there for 10 years and no NCAA bids. Fish got us to the dance. |
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