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Post by AztecWilliam on Mar 20, 2011 17:55:31 GMT -8
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 21, 2011 7:07:47 GMT -8
It is interesting how public opinion can be shaped with loud and shrill demonstrations. Lots of folks in the public just go with the herd. The man in the street now does not agree with Gov Walker about limiting the right to collective bargaining and yet opposes some of the provisions that were also part of the issue such as forcing insurance to be bought from a union owned company. I would bet that most thinking people would agree with Governor Walker if the issues were examined in depth.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Mar 29, 2011 17:21:45 GMT -8
It is interesting how public opinion can be shaped with loud and shrill demonstrations. Lots of folks in the public just go with the herd. The man in the street now does not agree with Gov Walker about limiting the right to collective bargaining and yet opposes some of the provisions that were also part of the issue such as forcing insurance to be bought from a union owned company. I would bet that most thinking people would agree with Governor Walker if the issues were examined in depth. Well damn; bummer that you think anyone who disagrees with you isn't a thinking person. One of the reasons I never joined a union was because of nonsense like controlling health care. One of the things I disliked about carrying mail was, at the time, I couldn't get dental unless I joined the union. A quick search showed me a couple examples, but those are state specific and it does seem to me that the union hold on them could easily be broken without doing away with collective bargaining. From a political standpoint, Walker made two mistakes. First, he pushed too hard by going after collective bargaining even after the unions had agreed to their members paying more for their benefits. And second, he screwed the pooch big time when he fell for the bogus phone call he thought was from one of the Koch brothers. That made him look like nothing more than another politician kissing campaign contributor ass instead of a reformer and unfortunately for your side, the middle class doesn't much care for politicians who appear to be whores to special interests, no matter who they might be. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 29, 2011 18:00:12 GMT -8
It is interesting how public opinion can be shaped with loud and shrill demonstrations. Lots of folks in the public just go with the herd. The man in the street now does not agree with Gov Walker about limiting the right to collective bargaining and yet opposes some of the provisions that were also part of the issue such as forcing insurance to be bought from a union owned company. I would bet that most thinking people would agree with Governor Walker if the issues were examined in depth. Well damn; bummer that you think anyone who disagrees with you isn't a thinking person. One of the reasons I never joined a union was because of nonsense like controlling health care. One of the things I disliked about carrying mail was, at the time, I couldn't get dental unless I joined the union. A quick search showed me a couple examples, but those are state specific and it does seem to me that the union hold on them could easily be broken without doing away with collective bargaining. From a political standpoint, Walker made two mistakes. First, he pushed too hard by going after collective bargaining even after the unions had agreed to their members paying more for their benefits. And second, he screwed the pooch big time when he fell for the bogus phone call he thought was from one of the Koch brothers. That made him look like nothing more than another politician kissing campaign contributor ass instead of a reformer and unfortunately for your side, the middle class doesn't much care for politicians who appear to be whores to special interests, no matter who they might be. =Bob I would kind of agree to a point. Now tell me more about the Dental Care and union membership point. I do not think that is the case now nor was it when you were part of it. Show me the link. The only way that would hold water was if it was a union bennie and not part of your total compensation package. In that case your point is not valid. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Mar 29, 2011 18:34:19 GMT -8
Well damn; bummer that you think anyone who disagrees with you isn't a thinking person. One of the reasons I never joined a union was because of nonsense like controlling health care. One of the things I disliked about carrying mail was, at the time, I couldn't get dental unless I joined the union. A quick search showed me a couple examples, but those are state specific and it does seem to me that the union hold on them could easily be broken without doing away with collective bargaining. From a political standpoint, Walker made two mistakes. First, he pushed too hard by going after collective bargaining even after the unions had agreed to their members paying more for their benefits. And second, he screwed the pooch big time when he fell for the bogus phone call he thought was from one of the Koch brothers. That made him look like nothing more than another politician kissing campaign contributor ass instead of a reformer and unfortunately for your side, the middle class doesn't much care for politicians who appear to be whores to special interests, no matter who they might be. =Bob I would kind of agree to a point. Now tell me more about the Dental Care and union membership point. I do not think that is the case now nor was it when you were part of it. Show me the link. The only way that would hold water was if it was a union bennie and not part of your total compensation package. In that case your point is not valid. Show you the link? I bailed on USPS in '89 so I don't know what benefits they offer these days and I'm not about to look them up. But when I was carrying mail I could not get dental unless I joined the union - you can accept that our not - I don't really care.Asked you daughter or Poway Aztec about it and then get back to me. And while you're at it, check out the fact that once USPS employees hit 62 their pension gets cut by the amount they collect from SS - basically that means their pension gets cut at least in half and their pension sucks in the first place. It's not up to me to offer proof - I'm quite confident of the facts that I offer. If you believe what I write is bogus please offer countervailing arguments instead of your usual bull$#!+ trolls. I suspect you won't because you can't so we'll just see more bull$#!+ from you. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 30, 2011 12:15:40 GMT -8
www.opm.gov/insure/dental/faq/faq.aspThis is the handbook from 1989. As you can see, what you said is total fabrication. You might have been a "temp" or a "casual" and not a real USPS employee and that would be different. So are you full of baloney or what? www.apwu.org/dept/ind-rel/sh/shirk/Hyperlinks/EL-314%20%20You%20and%20the%20USPS.pdfCOLLECTIVE BARGAINING Most nonsupervisory employees are covered by a collective-bargaining agreement (union contract). Generally, each craft or bargaining unit is represented by a particular union which has been designated as the exclusive bargaining agent for all employees in that particular craft. Employee membership in a union is optional; however, employees are subject to the provisions of the appropriate collectivebargaining agreement.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Apr 1, 2011 16:38:53 GMT -8
www.opm.gov/insure/dental/faq/faq.aspThis is the handbook from 1989. As you can see, what you said is total fabrication. You might have been a "temp" or a "casual" and not a real USPS employee and that would be different. So are you full of baloney or what? USPS was not part of the federal union system. I worked there, you did not. Ask your daughter, daughter-in-law or whoever she is if you don't believe me. And quite frankly, federal workers in general thought that USPS employees got better benefits than they did. But I'd also note this: Answer: President George W. Bush signed The Federal Employee Dental and Vision Benefits Enhancement Act of 2004 into law on December 23, 2004. The Act authorizes OPM to establish arrangements under which supplemental dental and vision benefits are made available to Federal and U.S. Postal Service employees, retirees, and their eligible family members, and the law gives OPM broad contracting authority to leverage the purchasing power of Federal enrollees to provide comprehensive benefits with competitive premiums.Note the date - it references Dubbya and 2004. Damn, how is it a "handbook" written in '89 references a plan passed in '04? Sorry Pooh, but by '04 I'd been working at the County for 5 years and during the time I worked for USPS there was no dental insurance. Again, if you'd like to offer me something other than bullshiit that you scanned instead of fully reading it, feel free to do so. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Apr 2, 2011 6:56:33 GMT -8
www.opm.gov/insure/dental/faq/faq.aspThis is the handbook from 1989. As you can see, what you said is total fabrication. You might have been a "temp" or a "casual" and not a real USPS employee and that would be different. So are you full of baloney or what? USPS was not part of the federal union system. I worked there, you did not. Ask your daughter, daughter-in-law or whoever she is if you don't believe me. And quite frankly, federal workers in general thought that USPS employees got better benefits than they did. But I'd also note this: Answer: President George W. Bush signed The Federal Employee Dental and Vision Benefits Enhancement Act of 2004 into law on December 23, 2004. The Act authorizes OPM to establish arrangements under which supplemental dental and vision benefits are made available to Federal and U.S. Postal Service employees, retirees, and their eligible family members, and the law gives OPM broad contracting authority to leverage the purchasing power of Federal enrollees to provide comprehensive benefits with competitive premiums.Note the date - it references Dubbya and 2004. Damn, how is it a "handbook" written in '89 references a plan passed in '04? Sorry Pooh, but by '04 I'd been working at the County for 5 years and during the time I worked for USPS there was no dental insurance. Again, if you'd like to offer me something other than bullshiit that you scanned instead of fully reading it, feel free to do so. =Bob This is just further evidence that you were caught in a lie and are now trying to tap dance out of it. Your refusal to join the union had nothing to do with the benefits that you could have taken advantage of. This is not about what benefits were available when you were in the system, but about you feeling you had to lie about it. Now if you were a "Casual" or a "Temp" it would be different in that you could not be part of a lot of the "bennie" package, but it still does not explain your lie. Now which way do you want to squirm now? |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Apr 2, 2011 20:18:16 GMT -8
USPS was not part of the federal union system. I worked there, you did not. Ask your daughter, daughter-in-law or whoever she is if you don't believe me. And quite frankly, federal workers in general thought that USPS employees got better benefits than they did. But I'd also note this: Answer: President George W. Bush signed The Federal Employee Dental and Vision Benefits Enhancement Act of 2004 into law on December 23, 2004. The Act authorizes OPM to establish arrangements under which supplemental dental and vision benefits are made available to Federal and U.S. Postal Service employees, retirees, and their eligible family members, and the law gives OPM broad contracting authority to leverage the purchasing power of Federal enrollees to provide comprehensive benefits with competitive premiums.Note the date - it references Dubbya and 2004. Damn, how is it a "handbook" written in '89 references a plan passed in '04? Sorry Pooh, but by '04 I'd been working at the County for 5 years and during the time I worked for USPS there was no dental insurance. Again, if you'd like to offer me something other than bullshiit that you scanned instead of fully reading it, feel free to do so. =Bob This is just further evidence that you were caught in a lie and are now trying to tap dance out of it. Your refusal to join the union had nothing to do with the benefits that you could have taken advantage of. This is not about what benefits were available when you were in the system, but about you feeling you had to lie about it. Now if you were a "Casual" or a "Temp" it would be different in that you could not be part of a lot of the "bennie" package, but it still does not explain your lie. Now which way do you want to squirm now? YAWN. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Apr 3, 2011 6:44:26 GMT -8
This is just further evidence that you were caught in a lie and are now trying to tap dance out of it. Your refusal to join the union had nothing to do with the benefits that you could have taken advantage of. This is not about what benefits were available when you were in the system, but about you feeling you had to lie about it. Now if you were a "Casual" or a "Temp" it would be different in that you could not be part of a lot of the "bennie" package, but it still does not explain your lie. Now which way do you want to squirm now? YAWN. =Bob Come on now, defend your lie and lack of knowledge about a system that you claim to have worked in. I bet you were only a Xmas "temp". |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Apr 16, 2011 7:18:31 GMT -8
Come on now, defend your lie and lack of knowledge about a system that you claim to have worked in. I bet you were only a Xmas "temp". Bad troll. However, the handbook only says this about benefits: Various plans are available under the Federal Employees
Health Benefit Program (FEHBP) for protecting you and your
family against the expenses of illness and accident.Note there is nothing stating anything about dental. During the time I worked for USPS they did not offer dental or vision plans. The union offered dental to members (maybe vision as well but I don't remember since I didn't need it back then). Offering a link to something current does not make your case, but since you love to troll by doing that sort of thing all the time, it's not surprising. However, I will retract my statement that we were not part of FEHBP since apparently we were. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Apr 16, 2011 10:05:05 GMT -8
Come on now, defend your lie and lack of knowledge about a system that you claim to have worked in. I bet you were only a Xmas "temp". Bad troll. However, the handbook only says this about benefits: Various plans are available under the Federal Employees
Health Benefit Program (FEHBP) for protecting you and your
family against the expenses of illness and accident.Note there is nothing stating anything about dental. During the time I worked for USPS they did not offer dental or vision plans. The union offered dental to members (maybe vision as well but I don't remember since I didn't need it back then). Offering a link to something current does not make your case, but since you love to troll by doing that sort of thing all the time, it's not surprising. However, I will retract my statement that we were not part of FEHBP since apparently we were. =Bob OK, that is better. You could have also joined Delta Dental and not been a part of the union at that time. Dang, I just never get over being amazed and amused at how Little people know about their own situation. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Apr 16, 2011 10:56:03 GMT -8
Bad troll. However, the handbook only says this about benefits: Various plans are available under the Federal Employees
Health Benefit Program (FEHBP) for protecting you and your
family against the expenses of illness and accident.Note there is nothing stating anything about dental. During the time I worked for USPS they did not offer dental or vision plans. The union offered dental to members (maybe vision as well but I don't remember since I didn't need it back then). Offering a link to something current does not make your case, but since you love to troll by doing that sort of thing all the time, it's not surprising. However, I will retract my statement that we were not part of FEHBP since apparently we were. =Bob OK, that is better. You could have also joined Delta Dental and not been a part of the union at that time. Dang, I just never get over being amazed and amused at how Little people know about their own situation. I left 22 years ago so my memory isn't that great. On the other hand you just love to lie about people by calling them liars. And BTW, the date on that handbook was Nov. '89 - I left two months before it came out so you never really have offered any proof that I was mistaken or lying. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Apr 16, 2011 11:58:19 GMT -8
OK, that is better. You could have also joined Delta Dental and not been a part of the union at that time. Dang, I just never get over being amazed and amused at how Little people know about their own situation. I left 22 years ago so my memory isn't that great. On the other hand you just love to lie about people by calling them liars. And BTW, the date on that handbook was Nov. '89 - I left two months before it came out so you never really have offered any proof that I was mistaken or lying. =Bob Go ahead and offer your own proof now that you know the truth. I showed you where to go look. Can't you do anything yourself even to try to defend a lie? |
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