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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 20, 2009 9:10:49 GMT -8
Some readers may already know something about Nat Hentoff. I first became aware of him in, I would guess, the very late 1950s. By that time I had already been keenly interested in jazz, big bands, etc., for several years. As far as I knew, Hentoff was one of the really outstanding commentators on the world of jazz. Only later did I learn that he was a tireless advocate for human rights. (Such a concern is easy to understand given the terrible treatment black musicians received in the first six or more decades of the last century.) By the way, Hentoff is probably a bit left of center generally. The guy is both tireless and fearless when it comes to speaking out in defense of liberty and civil rights. For that reason I believe everyone who wants to understand the issues at stake in the health care (oops, sorry, I mean health care insurance) debate should consider Hentoff's position. . . www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/20/i_am_finally_scared_of_a_white_house_administration_97969.htmlAzWm |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Aug 20, 2009 16:56:36 GMT -8
Some readers may already know something about Nat Hentoff. I first became aware of him in, I would guess, the very late 1950s. By that time I had already been keenly interested in jazz, big bands, etc., for several years. As far as I knew, Hentoff was one of the really outstanding commentators on the world of jazz. Only later did I learn that he was a tireless advocate for human rights. (Such a concern is easy to understand given the terrible treatment black musicians received in the first six or more decades of the last century.) By the way, Hentoff is probably a bit left of center generally. AzWm Um, no he's not. He moved way to the right back in the late '70s or early '80s. Jeez, you claim he's "probably a bit left of center"? What makes you assume that? Or more to the point, why don't you know where he has stood politically for the last 30 years? =Bob |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Aug 24, 2009 8:26:40 GMT -8
Some readers may already know something about Nat Hentoff. I first became aware of him in, I would guess, the very late 1950s. By that time I had already been keenly interested in jazz, big bands, etc., for several years. As far as I knew, Hentoff was one of the really outstanding commentators on the world of jazz. Only later did I learn that he was a tireless advocate for human rights. (Such a concern is easy to understand given the terrible treatment black musicians received in the first six or more decades of the last century.) By the way, Hentoff is probably a bit left of center generally. AzWm Um, no he's not. He moved way to the right back in the late '70s or early '80s. Jeez, you claim he's "probably a bit left of center"? What makes you assume that? Or more to the point, why don't you know where he has stood politically for the last 30 years? =Bob Actually, it lets us know where AzWm thinks the center is. In his opinion, Rush is a centrist. ;D |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 24, 2009 10:09:21 GMT -8
Some readers may already know something about Nat Hentoff. I first became aware of him in, I would guess, the very late 1950s. By that time I had already been keenly interested in jazz, big bands, etc., for several years. As far as I knew, Hentoff was one of the really outstanding commentators on the world of jazz. Only later did I learn that he was a tireless advocate for human rights. (Such a concern is easy to understand given the terrible treatment black musicians received in the first six or more decades of the last century.) By the way, Hentoff is probably a bit left of center generally. AzWm Um, no he's not. He moved way to the right back in the late '70s or early '80s. Jeez, you claim he's "probably a bit left of center"? What makes you assume that? Or more to the point, why don't you know where he has stood politically for the last 30 years? =Bob Geez, Bob, I did say "probably!" Wasn't it enough that I was well acquainted with his jazz writings?  My statement that Hentoff ". . .is probably a bit left of center generally" may not be accurate. However, that view has some support, as this quote from Wikipedia demonstrates. . . (he has) . . generally considered liberal views on domestic policy and civil liberties . . The important thing here, however, is not whether Hentoff is right or left. The important thing is what he says about Obamacare. Perhaps you would like to comment on what Hentoff writes rather than getting side-tracked on placing him on the political spectrum. By commenting, I mean something that addresses the man's arguments point by point. AzWm |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 24, 2009 10:11:38 GMT -8
Um, no he's not. He moved way to the right back in the late '70s or early '80s. Jeez, you claim he's "probably a bit left of center"? What makes you assume that? Or more to the point, why don't you know where he has stood politically for the last 30 years? =Bob Actually, it lets us know where AzWm thinks the center is. In his opinion, Rush is a centrist. ;D Nope! But, as I said to Bob, the important thing is to evaluate the points commentators make. Are they valid? To they address the key elements of an issue? Are they logical? Do they provide positive answers or do they merely attack those with differing opinions? All that is work compared with calling names! AzWm AzWm |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Aug 24, 2009 10:27:13 GMT -8
Um, no he's not. He moved way to the right back in the late '70s or early '80s. Jeez, you claim he's "probably a bit left of center"? What makes you assume that? Or more to the point, why don't you know where he has stood politically for the last 30 years? =Bob Geez, Bob, I did say "probably!" Wasn't it enough that I was well acquainted with his jazz writings? My statement that Hentoff ". . .is probably a bit left of center generally" may not be accurate. However, that view has some support, as this quote from Wikipedia demonstrates. . . (he has) . . generally considered liberal views on domestic policy and civil liberties . . The important thing here, however, is not whether Hentoff is right or left. The important thing is what he says about Obamacare. Perhaps you would like to comment on what Hentoff writes rather than getting side-tracked on placing him on the political spectrum. By commenting, I mean something that addresses the man's arguments point by point. AzWm My point is that you presented him as a liberal who is worried about the health care bills. Hentoff has been anti-choice for a very long time, so it's not surprising that he'd take the same view as the others who are freaking out over than one simple subsection that allows Medicare to pay for consultations between a doctor and his patients. But regarding what he writes, so much of it is total speculation that it's just not worth much. As and example, Significantly, Lane adds that, "The doctor 'shall' (that's an order) explain that Medicare pays for hospice care (hint, hint)." Why in the Hell is he trashing hospice care? It is wonderful care for a lot of terminally ill people and a doctor letting a family know that hospice care is covered by Medicare seems to be a rather good idea. What does he think the "hint" is? That they should go into hospice care instead of going into a hospital? That somehow hospice care is inferior to the care the terminally ill get in a hospital? And besides, he points out that it's been stripped from the Senate Finance Committee bill (to their undying shame) and that's the White House bill. But of course, he's got to toss in the speculation that it will somehow magically reappear in the final version; something for which he offers no proof at all. =Bob |
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My statement that Hentoff ". . .is probably a bit left of center generally" may not be accurate. However, that view has some support, as this quote from Wikipedia demonstrates. . .