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Post by mightymightyaztecs on Jun 17, 2010 16:48:38 GMT -8
Little something different from all the doom and gloom and Utah talk on here lately. Here is the Rivals rankings for all the FBS teams in 2010. First off, we're somehow ranked nine spots above Boise St. even though we're probably going to have inverse seasons. Says something about their coaching for sure. Now look at the #1, #3 and #8 teams. Notice any similarities? The recruiters for those schools barely had to leave the state, and in USC's case, probably not even the county. Even premiere programs like Florida & Alabama had to pull from all around. Shows how talent rich Texas, and California are. In fact, I think the the San Diego and LA counties alone make for the hottest recruiting grounds in the entire state as evidenced by UCLA's ranking even though they're down right now and have to take USC's leftovers. All that said, do you think even if San Diego State were to become good they could pull away enough talent from those other schools to be the premiere program in the area? Seems to me only one program at a time can be "great" in any given area. When Auburn was winning earlier last decade (and arguably winning a NC in 2004) Alabama was down. When Florida State was winning NC's Florida was down. When Miami was ruling in the 80's Florida and FSU were down. Presently, Texas is the big dog and A&M, Baylor, Tech, are all down. Florida is winning, Miami and FSU are down. Alabama is back to winning and Auburn is down. USC is great and UCLA is down. Basically, the best recruits flock to the current best school regardless of history. So if SDSU wants to reach "great" status (10-12 wins a season) does that mean it would have to be a down period for USC & UCLA? Could that opportunity be now? USC will be recovering from the loss of Carroll and these new sanctions for a while. I don't know what's going on with UCLA but with Neuheisel at the helm it's only a matter of time until the NCAA comes calling there too. SDSU has arguably its best coaching staff in recent memory, a president committed to winning, and an AD with the midas touch. Is that enough to have the areas five star recruits choosing the Red&Black over the condoms? |
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Post by texasaztec on Jun 17, 2010 21:33:21 GMT -8
All I know is that I love it that Hoke and staff are not giving up on recruits BEFORE they even offer them. THe past coaching staffs have made a decision that "we can't get that kid, he is too good, so we won't even offer him anything". Hoke don't play dat. He is going after top talent, and of course we won't get every kid we offer - no one does. BUT, we will get some of them and it only takes one Marshall Faulk to turn this program around and put us back on the map.
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Post by sdsuphilip on Jun 17, 2010 22:40:44 GMT -8
USC Had 19 LOI signed. 6 were from outside of CA, so they did leave the state
UCLA had 23 signed, 7 were out of state
While Cali is a great recruiting state, probably not level of Texas and maybe Florida, too limit yourself just to this area is dumb
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Post by mightymightyaztecs on Jun 17, 2010 23:25:31 GMT -8
USC Had 19 LOI signed. 6 were from outside of CA, so they did leave the state UCLA had 23 signed, 7 were out of state While Cali is a great recruiting state, probably not level of Texas and maybe Florida, too limit yourself just to this area is dumb IMO California is better than Texas or Florida in talent. Largest population plus lots of great high school programs results in tons of great athletes being churned out. How many Heisman winners has San Diego alone produced? We're practically the land of running backs. All I know is that I love it that Hoke and staff are not giving up on recruits BEFORE they even offer them. THe past coaching staffs have made a decision that "we can't get that kid, he is too good, so we won't even offer him anything". Hoke don't play dat. He is going after top talent, and of course we won't get every kid we offer - no one does. BUT, we will get some of them and it only takes one Marshall Faulk to turn this program around and put us back on the map. That's why I think this might be our moment. Look how long it's been taking Miami to recover from the sanctions imposed on them a decade ago. In that time Florida has undergone a resurgance to become the premiere program in the state. I love what Hoke & his staff are doing, not only in coaching, but in recruiting and getting the community involved (moving back the Red&Black game to campus, the ladies football camp). If they can put up some wins, even eight in a season, I know this town will get excited about Aztec football again. That might get more recruits to stay home. If we were close to getting the Seale's and Baxter's of the world when we just went 4-8 what might happen if we're actually winning and packing the Q? |
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Post by rickdoerr on Jun 18, 2010 7:42:44 GMT -8
Speaking of recruiting, anyone been out to the passing camps June 11-12? The next round is today and tomorrow.
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 18, 2010 8:00:49 GMT -8
The best thing for SDSU as far as recruiting with regard to USC and UCLA is to have one way down and the other in BCS games. That means we can compete better with the former and the latter will go more out of state. That case has been the status quo for a few years but we were not in position to reap the benefits of our recruiting rivals having the right mix of results.
Currently we must just beat the other interlopers into the Southern Cal recruiting pool. There is plenty of talent if hold our own with the rest of the top of the PAC-10 and beat the rest of the MWC and WAC in getting those SoCal players.
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Post by fowl on Jun 18, 2010 9:22:49 GMT -8
That's why I think this might be our moment. Look how long it's been taking Miami to recover from the sanctions imposed on them a decade ago. In that time Florida has undergone a resurgance to become the premiere program in the state. Miami lost 31 scholarships for the years 1996-1998. It won the national championship in the 2001-2002 season, should have played in the championship game the 2000-2001 season (instead of Florida St.) against Oklahoma, and absent a bad call should have beaten Ohio St in the 2002-2003 national championship game. It didn't take them long to recover... |
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Post by zurac315 on Jun 18, 2010 18:51:15 GMT -8
SDSU achieve "great" status? How about we achieve one minor bowl a decade first.
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Post by Village Aztec on Jun 18, 2010 19:45:46 GMT -8
Hoke said he took the job for the Calif. recruiting. He has to make in roads each year.
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Jun 18, 2010 19:58:51 GMT -8
Nashville.....thanks for the input. I really don't know what to say....but I do feel like an idiot!!!!
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Post by mightymightyaztecs on Jun 18, 2010 22:41:47 GMT -8
SDSU achieve "great" status? How about we achieve one minor bowl a decade first. I'm not satisfied with "one minor bowl a decade". I want my school to be a perennial contender for a NC. Coach Hoke doesn't sell himself short, so why should we? Catch the Hoke-a-mania! |
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Post by ourtime on Jun 19, 2010 6:56:43 GMT -8
Realistically were not going to steal 5 star recruits from SC or UCLA, but we have to start beating out the Boise St's and mid to low level PAC10 teams (Oregon St., Arizona, Washington St., etc.) for the solid 3 star and occasional 4 star kids. Get these kids coached up and SDSU can be succesful.
The incoming class, has the right type of makeup one 4 star and the bulk of the class 3 star kids. If SDSU can start getting to the minor bowls, we will probably see improvement at the top end our recruiting classes ( a few more 4 stars), while keeping the body of each class solid (majority 3 stars).
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Post by dshawfan on Jun 19, 2010 7:28:21 GMT -8
Realistically were not going to steal 5 star recruits from SC or UCLA, but we have to start beating out the Boise St's and mid to low level PAC10 teams (Oregon St., Arizona, Washington St., etc.) for the solid 3 star and occasional 4 star kids. Get these kids coached up and SDSU can be succesful. The incoming class, has the right type of makeup one 4 star and the bulk of the class 3 star kids. If SDSU can start getting to the minor bowls, we will probably see improvement at the top end our recruiting classes ( a few more 4 stars), while keeping the body of each class solid (majority 3 stars). +1 |
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Post by Old School on Jun 19, 2010 7:37:28 GMT -8
Pre-Summer San Diego Top 15 www.fvsports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136326Overall not a great year in SD, especially coming off last year but IMO there is a lot of fringe BCS or lower tier D1 talent in SD for MWC, WAC and others to pick up on. Despite that there are a few studs in SD that will hold the banner for the county, especially up front.
1. DT Christian Heyward 6'2 270- Pt Loma HS- Dominant Get off, great
quickness, extremly active and disruptive interior DL.
2 DT Mustafa Jalil 6'4 300- Cathedral HS (Verbal to Cal)-Kid is a house, huge frame, solid athleticism, and Nasty player.
3. DB Stefan McClure 6'0 180- Vista HS-Great athlete (48 foot triple jumper), good ball skills, better player at same age as Leon Hall (also Vista Alum). Knee Injury a concern
4. QB Evan Crower 6'3 185- St Augustine HS (Verbal to Stanford)- Big frame, Nice touch, smart QB.
5. WR Demario Coleman 5'11 180- Oceanside HS (grades iffy)- Very quick, good hands and agility. Grades a major concern.
6. OL/DL Stehley Reden 6'4 240- Valley Center HS- Great athlete for his size can play O or DL. A lot of growth potential, Good feet. LDS who will likley take mission has scared some off but top notch kid here.
7. DE Ian Seau 6'3 255- La Costa Canyon HS- Fiery Competitor, Good Motor, and strength. Needs to reshape body some.
8. OL Brian Farley 6'7 290- Patrick Henry HS- Huge Frame, Good Feet, Needs to be a bit more physical.
9. LB Micah Seau 6'3 225- Bishop's- Versitile athlete, very fluid, needs to assert himself a bit more for team.
10. RB Johnny Martin 5'11 195- Cathedral HS- Physical and instinctual runner. Good patience but just ok speed.
11. OLB Aaron Wallace 6'4 215-Rancho Bernardo HS- Physical specimen, has all the workout #'s anybody could want. On Field production hasn't matched hype yet.
12. LB Jermiah Kose 6'1 220-Vista HS- Tough hard nose ILB, Bigtime hitter, lacks great mobility.
13. LB Tyrone Sauls 6'2 225-Christian HS- Athletic tackling machine. Opposing Coaches love him.
14. TE/LB Chris Locker 6'2 220-Orange Glen HS- Active, physical player with soft hands.
15. DB Jason Floyd 6'1 185-Carlsbad HS- Great size/speed combo, versitile enough to play CB or S.
others:
QB's John Cabot 6'4 205 Torrey Pines, Miles Godfrey 6'2 175 Orange Glen HS, and QB Hunter Moore
WR's Chance Early 6'0 180 Cathedral, Travis Benard 5'8 175 Valley Center
TE's Robert Craighead 6'5 225 El Capitan (SDSU verbal), Evan Critchlow 6'4 210 St Augustine, Brett Courtney 6'4 210 Carlsbad
OL Taylor Reich 6'6 290 Westview, Alex Kelly 6'2 280 Vista
DL Sam Merideth 6'4 260 Helix
LB David Atoe 6'0 210 Rancho Bernardo, Cory Searson 6'2 225 Carlsbad,
DB Nick and Anthony Payne 6'0 180 Mira Mesa, Roland Jackson 5'10 175 Francis Parker, Tyler Gomgoda 5'11 185 Rancho Bernardo, Chris Fletcher 5'11 175 Eastlake
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Post by zurac315 on Jun 19, 2010 19:28:16 GMT -8
SDSU achieve "great" status? How about we achieve one minor bowl a decade first. I'm not satisfied with "one minor bowl a decade". I want my school to be a perennial contender for a NC. Coach Hoke doesn't sell himself short, so why should we? Catch the Hoke-a-mania! Perennial contender for a NC??? Maybe if Coryell could come back and stay for 30 years. |
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 19, 2010 22:56:37 GMT -8
Pre-Summer San Diego Top 15 www.fvsports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136326Overall not a great year in SD, especially coming off last year but IMO there is a lot of fringe BCS or lower tier D1 talent in SD for MWC, WAC and others to pick up on. Despite that there are a few studs in SD that will hold the banner for the county, especially up front.
1. DT Christian Heyward 6'2 270- Pt Loma HS- Dominant Get off, great
quickness, extremly active and disruptive interior DL.
2 DT Mustafa Jalil 6'4 300- Cathedral HS (Verbal to Cal)-Kid is a house, huge frame, solid athleticism, and Nasty player.
3. DB Stefan McClure 6'0 180- Vista HS-Great athlete (48 foot triple jumper), good ball skills, better player at same age as Leon Hall (also Vista Alum). Knee Injury a concern
4. QB Evan Crower 6'3 185- St Augustine HS (Verbal to Stanford)- Big frame, Nice touch, smart QB.
5. WR Demario Coleman 5'11 180- Oceanside HS (grades iffy)- Very quick, good hands and agility. Grades a major concern.
6. OL/DL Stehley Reden 6'4 240- Valley Center HS- Great athlete for his size can play O or DL. A lot of growth potential, Good feet. LDS who will likley take mission has scared some off but top notch kid here.
7. DE Ian Seau 6'3 255- La Costa Canyon HS- Fiery Competitor, Good Motor, and strength. Needs to reshape body some.
8. OL Brian Farley 6'7 290- Patrick Henry HS- Huge Frame, Good Feet, Needs to be a bit more physical.
9. LB Micah Seau 6'3 225- Bishop's- Versitile athlete, very fluid, needs to assert himself a bit more for team.
10. RB Johnny Martin 5'11 195- Cathedral HS- Physical and instinctual runner. Good patience but just ok speed.
11. OLB Aaron Wallace 6'4 215-Rancho Bernardo HS- Physical specimen, has all the workout #'s anybody could want. On Field production hasn't matched hype yet.
12. LB Jermiah Kose 6'1 220-Vista HS- Tough hard nose ILB, Bigtime hitter, lacks great mobility.
13. LB Tyrone Sauls 6'2 225-Christian HS- Athletic tackling machine. Opposing Coaches love him.
14. TE/LB Chris Locker 6'2 220-Orange Glen HS- Active, physical player with soft hands.
15. DB Jason Floyd 6'1 185-Carlsbad HS- Great size/speed combo, versitile enough to play CB or S.
others:
QB's John Cabot 6'4 205 Torrey Pines, Miles Godfrey 6'2 175 Orange Glen HS, and QB Hunter Moore
WR's Chance Early 6'0 180 Cathedral, Travis Benard 5'8 175 Valley Center
TE's Robert Craighead 6'5 225 El Capitan (SDSU verbal), Evan Critchlow 6'4 210 St Augustine, Brett Courtney 6'4 210 Carlsbad
OL Taylor Reich 6'6 290 Westview, Alex Kelly 6'2 280 Vista
DL Sam Merideth 6'4 260 Helix
LB David Atoe 6'0 210 Rancho Bernardo, Cory Searson 6'2 225 Carlsbad,
DB Nick and Anthony Payne 6'0 180 Mira Mesa, Roland Jackson 5'10 175 Francis Parker, Tyler Gomgoda 5'11 185 Rancho Bernardo, Chris Fletcher 5'11 175 Eastlake
Oldie Out Nice to see two players on the list from my old stomping grounds Orange Glen. |
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Post by mightymightyaztecs on Jun 19, 2010 23:16:34 GMT -8
I'm not satisfied with "one minor bowl a decade". I want my school to be a perennial contender for a NC. Coach Hoke doesn't sell himself short, so why should we? Catch the Hoke-a-mania! Perennial contender for a NC??? Maybe if Coryell could come back and stay for 30 years. "Don't set any limitations, we won't." |
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Post by monty on Jun 20, 2010 6:00:10 GMT -8
To address your thesis on one school in an area/region/state being good at a time and it being able to get the best recruits - I think that is more the result than the cause. People get comfy and/or burnout and so the program falls apart, the ones that are able to maintain for an extended period of time are the exception - there is a certain entropy where schools like USC/UCLA are going to build up and then fall apart. It is once they return to prominence they start to get the best LA recruits and then the national recruits - and once someone like USC or UCLA in the 90s start getting more and more national recruits, the hometown ones start to go over to the other side, USC stockpiles 6 parade all american running backs, half transfer within 2 years, a couple get hurt, some don't pan out, some ride in range rovers and suddenly they have nothing left.
So, those type of swings are going to happen. The more important thing to look at is how Boise and TCU have maintained and seem to still be building, namely, they are still targeting the same type of recruit, the same type of player and, at least from the outside, show a stability in their operations - they don't have snoop dogg or the dude from Too Live Crew hanging out at practice, they aren't parking in handicapped spots on campus, etc. They have a defined and validated system and they plug-in players into it at a high success rate. You can build a team with Jordan, Kobe, Baylor, Duncan and Wilt, but I'm betting if I replace two of those guys with high quality players that fill their role, that set the screen, that initiate the offense, that play good help defense, etc my team will be at least competitive and likely win the series.
There is enough talent in Orange, Riverside, and San Diego County to compete on a national level with second and third picks as long as the system is well defined and proficient and you correctly choose the players/character at a high percentage.
Pro-set, 2 back offense clearly is that - it just plain will work if you get the right players and call the right plays. It is dynamic, it allows balance, it can attack the entire field at any time.
The 3-3-5 under Long worked and it works in a slightly different form at TCU. Long knows the type of athlete he needs, and I think we see that with the commit he got last or the week before.
San Diego has enough talent if you get all of your targets and all the best players, but not enough of the second tier - that is the fundamental fallacy of the 'fence.' Now, you extend that recruiting area to OC, inland empire, etc. and make that your bread in butter while also going heavy into getting the best handfull of players from the San Gabriel Valley, the many good players in City Section and the San Fernando Valley, and hitting Sac and the Bay (look at how many SDSU students are from that area and it shows that it is a marketable destination) you are going to build a monster program.
With Craft and the other guy there was a hope that they could turn it around, With the troika of Hoke, Borges, and Long it, to me, is a knowledge they will - they know how to recruit and more importantly they know who to recruit.
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 20, 2010 6:13:11 GMT -8
Pre-Summer San Diego Top 15 www.fvsports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136326Overall not a great year in SD, especially coming off last year but IMO there is a lot of fringe BCS or lower tier D1 talent in SD for MWC, WAC and others to pick up on. Despite that there are a few studs in SD that will hold the banner for the county, especially up front.
1. DT Christian Heyward 6'2 270- Pt Loma HS- Dominant Get off, great
quickness, extremly active and disruptive interior DL.
2 DT Mustafa Jalil 6'4 300- Cathedral HS (Verbal to Cal)-Kid is a house, huge frame, solid athleticism, and Nasty player.
3. DB Stefan McClure 6'0 180- Vista HS-Great athlete (48 foot triple jumper), good ball skills, better player at same age as Leon Hall (also Vista Alum). Knee Injury a concern
4. QB Evan Crower 6'3 185- St Augustine HS (Verbal to Stanford)- Big frame, Nice touch, smart QB.
5. WR Demario Coleman 5'11 180- Oceanside HS (grades iffy)- Very quick, good hands and agility. Grades a major concern.
6. OL/DL Stehley Reden 6'4 240- Valley Center HS- Great athlete for his size can play O or DL. A lot of growth potential, Good feet. LDS who will likley take mission has scared some off but top notch kid here.
7. DE Ian Seau 6'3 255- La Costa Canyon HS- Fiery Competitor, Good Motor, and strength. Needs to reshape body some.
8. OL Brian Farley 6'7 290- Patrick Henry HS- Huge Frame, Good Feet, Needs to be a bit more physical.
9. LB Micah Seau 6'3 225- Bishop's- Versitile athlete, very fluid, needs to assert himself a bit more for team.
10. RB Johnny Martin 5'11 195- Cathedral HS- Physical and instinctual runner. Good patience but just ok speed.
11. OLB Aaron Wallace 6'4 215-Rancho Bernardo HS- Physical specimen, has all the workout #'s anybody could want. On Field production hasn't matched hype yet.
12. LB Jermiah Kose 6'1 220-Vista HS- Tough hard nose ILB, Bigtime hitter, lacks great mobility.
13. LB Tyrone Sauls 6'2 225-Christian HS- Athletic tackling machine. Opposing Coaches love him.
14. TE/LB Chris Locker 6'2 220-Orange Glen HS- Active, physical player with soft hands.
15. DB Jason Floyd 6'1 185-Carlsbad HS- Great size/speed combo, versitile enough to play CB or S.
others:
QB's John Cabot 6'4 205 Torrey Pines, Miles Godfrey 6'2 175 Orange Glen HS, and QB Hunter Moore
WR's Chance Early 6'0 180 Cathedral, Travis Benard 5'8 175 Valley Center
TE's Robert Craighead 6'5 225 El Capitan (SDSU verbal), Evan Critchlow 6'4 210 St Augustine, Brett Courtney 6'4 210 Carlsbad
OL Taylor Reich 6'6 290 Westview, Alex Kelly 6'2 280 Vista
DL Sam Merideth 6'4 260 Helix
LB David Atoe 6'0 210 Rancho Bernardo, Cory Searson 6'2 225 Carlsbad,
DB Nick and Anthony Payne 6'0 180 Mira Mesa, Roland Jackson 5'10 175 Francis Parker, Tyler Gomgoda 5'11 185 Rancho Bernardo, Chris Fletcher 5'11 175 Eastlake
Oldie Out Nice to see two players on the list from my old stomping grounds Orange Glen. Yes, and it is nice to see two from my recently adopted High School on the list as well. |
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Post by aztecgold on Jun 20, 2010 6:58:16 GMT -8
Well, it would have been nice to get Dillon Baxter and a few of those other highly ranked recruits from San Diego last year. I hope Baxter has fun up there at SC, hopefully watching SDSU in a bowl all four years while SC is on the sidelines.
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