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Post by survalli on Jun 17, 2010 11:48:07 GMT -8
not worth keeping the program alive. time to save money and redirect it to basketball.
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Post by frustratedfan on Jun 17, 2010 12:00:58 GMT -8
not worth keeping the program alive. time to save money and redirect it to basketball. Ask Long Beach State how that went for them when they did it. A couple of years after Long Beach State dropped football the Orange County Register did an article where the president of Long Beach State came out and said it was a huge mistake to drop football and he wished they never did it. They lost so many donors not just in their athletic programs but also in their academic programs because they dropped football. These donors made it clear to the president and CSLB administration that they were no longer going to support the school specifically because they dropped football. The same thing will happen at SDSU if we dropped football. Not a good move. As others have said if we take care of business on the field we will be fine. My biggest concern is when we start being successful the BCS schools will start to look at Hoke and will want to lure him to their school. Does Weber and Sterk have plans in place when this happens to try to secure Hoke to a new contract like Utah and TCU did for their coaches?....No, probably not...and that has me very concerned.  |
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Post by steveaztec on Jun 17, 2010 12:05:12 GMT -8
Survalli.....Stop it.  We all thought the hire after Ted Tollner was the biggest in our history... We all thought the hire after Tom Craft was the biggest in our history... We all thought the hire after Chuck Long was the biggest in our history... But the hire after Brady Hoke WILL be our biggest in history. I don't think we will be able to keep Brady Hoke here after the next two years. If he can win 7 this year and 8 next year, he will prove his worth to everybody in the nation and the offers will come flowing in. Don't get me wrong, if Hoke has two straight bowl seasons I sure hope we can keep him, but I just don't see that happening. |
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Post by survalli on Jun 17, 2010 12:06:27 GMT -8
not worth keeping the program alive. time to save money and redirect it to basketball. Ask Long Beach State how that went for them when they did it. A couple of years after Long Beach State dropped football the Orange County Register did an article where the president of Long Beach State came out and said it was a huge mistake to drop football and he wished they never did it. They lost so many donors not just in their athletic programs but also in their academic programs because they dropped football. These donors made it clear to the president and CSLB administration that they were no longer going to support the school specifically because they dropped football. The same thing will happen at SDSU if we dropped football. Not a good move. As others have said if we take care of business on the field we will be fine. My biggest concern is when we start being successful the BCS schools will start to look at Hoke and will want to lure him to their school. Does Weber and Sterk have plans in place when this happens to try to secure Hoke to a new contract like Utah and TCU did for their coaches?....No, probably not...and that has me very concerned. its clear the game has changed.. if no one will step up and legally challenge the system then i think its time to be fiscally responsible. I wont support 2nd tier athletics, and i dont think the tax payers in California should either. |
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Post by 83aztec on Jun 17, 2010 12:12:11 GMT -8
Dumb idea. Really dumb idea.
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Post by survalli on Jun 17, 2010 12:18:06 GMT -8
Dumb idea. Really dumb idea. whats dumb about being fiscally responsible? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2010 12:18:30 GMT -8
No Aztec FB, not another cent to the athletic program from me. Probably lots of people with the same feeling.
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Post by survalli on Jun 17, 2010 12:25:09 GMT -8
No Aztec FB, not another cent to the athletic program from me. Probably lots of people with the same feeling. believe me i want a football team, but i mean common on...fight for it! or drop it...and im not talking about the fans, im talking about the Admins on up to the President of the School. talk lawsuit, or get off the freaking pot. |
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Post by frustratedfan on Jun 17, 2010 12:31:34 GMT -8
Survalli.....Stop it. We all thought the hire after Ted Tollner was the biggest in our history... We all thought the hire after Tom Craft was the biggest in our history... We all thought the hire after Chuck Long was the biggest in our history... But the hire after Brady Hoke WILL be our biggest in history. I don't think we will be able to keep Brady Hoke here after the next two years. If he can win 7 this year and 8 next year, he will prove his worth to everybody in the nation and the offers will come flowing in. Don't get me wrong, if Hoke has two straight bowl seasons I sure hope we can keep him, but I just don't see that happening. Steve, the problem is that Sterk has a terrible track record hiring football coaches. It was that which was about to get him run out of Pullman before Weber threw him a life vest. The last thing we need is for Hoke to develop a strong program, leave, and Sterk to hire a slab who will destroy everyting that Hoke is building. Yes, I am very concerned about the future of our program if Hoke leaves. Utah and TCU immediately signed their coaches to new contracts when they went to a BCS game. Why is it we can't? |
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Post by RiffelBooks on Jun 17, 2010 12:31:46 GMT -8
Your conclusions aren't based on reality. The switch of Boise and Utah actually improves the MWC in two of three BCS AQ categories according to the newspaper.
If Houston can improve things even more, let's add the Cougars. Besides, if the Big 12 commissioner can't deliver on his big promises, all those schools are going to be looking for a new home in a couple of years.
The future actually looks rather bright.
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Post by frustratedfan on Jun 17, 2010 12:33:40 GMT -8
No Aztec FB, not another cent to the athletic program from me. Probably lots of people with the same feeling. Unfortunately, I would have to consider to start supporting my other alma mater Arizona State. I don't want to, but if there is no football then..... |
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Post by steveaztec on Jun 17, 2010 12:47:11 GMT -8
Survalli.....Stop it. We all thought the hire after Ted Tollner was the biggest in our history... We all thought the hire after Tom Craft was the biggest in our history... We all thought the hire after Chuck Long was the biggest in our history... But the hire after Brady Hoke WILL be our biggest in history. I don't think we will be able to keep Brady Hoke here after the next two years. If he can win 7 this year and 8 next year, he will prove his worth to everybody in the nation and the offers will come flowing in. Don't get me wrong, if Hoke has two straight bowl seasons I sure hope we can keep him, but I just don't see that happening. Steve, the problem is that Sterk has a terrible track record hiring football coaches. It was that which was about to get him run out of Pullman before Weber threw him a life vest. The last thing we need is for Hoke to develop a strong program, leave, and Sterk to hire a slab who will destroy everyting that Hoke is building. Yes, I am very concerned about the future of our program if Hoke leaves. Utah and TCU immediately signed their coaches to new contracts when they went to a BCS game. Why is it we can't? I didn't know Sterk has a terrible track record hiring football coaches.......but that is real bad news. I don't think we can't come up with the money to keep Hoke or hire a coach that can get us to the next level. I am not sure we are still willing to come up with that money. And yes, the worst thing to happen would be for Hoke to get it done over the next 2-3 years and then leave. I see nothing that says we are willing to step up. Look at basketball as an example. We have got very lucky. We hired Steve Fisher at a reduced price for top head coaches, won't pay assistants enough to keep them, even though the program is on the way up. In football we just came thru 3 HUGE hires and chose Tom Craft, Chuck Long, and Brady Hoke. If Hoke gets it done, we need to reward him and keep him.......But again, we should have already rewarded Steve Fisher and his top assistants, but we haven't. (I'm not sure what Steve Fisher is getting in bonus', so maybe he is being rewarded, but we know the assistants aren't. They keep leaving for other assistant jobs) |
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Post by choop on Jun 17, 2010 12:57:33 GMT -8
Thats a typical bean counter mentality. Its the easiest thing in the world to cut operating budgets. The hard part is to accurately estimate the fall-out in all areas of revenue due to the cuts. The possibility of losing both athletic and academic donors is valid and should be considered. Add in tuition from 500 to a thousand students who think college life without football isn't quite what they wanted, even if it is only for social purposes. Lots to consider here before cutting a football program.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2010 13:06:33 GMT -8
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Post by aztecron on Jun 17, 2010 13:38:18 GMT -8
Survalli.....Stop it. We all thought the hire after Ted Tollner was the biggest in our history... We all thought the hire after Tom Craft was the biggest in our history... We all thought the hire after Chuck Long was the biggest in our history... But the hire after Brady Hoke WILL be our biggest in history. I don't think we will be able to keep Brady Hoke here after the next two years. If he can win 7 this year and 8 next year, he will prove his worth to everybody in the nation and the offers will come flowing in. Don't get me wrong, if Hoke has two straight bowl seasons I sure hope we can keep him, but I just don't see that happening. Steve, the problem is that Sterk has a terrible track record hiring football coaches. It was that which was about to get him run out of Pullman before Weber threw him a life vest. The last thing we need is for Hoke to develop a strong program, leave, and Sterk to hire a slab who will destroy everyting that Hoke is building. Yes, I am very concerned about the future of our program if Hoke leaves. Utah and TCU immediately signed their coaches to new contracts when they went to a BCS game. Why is it we can't? Not quite sure where you got your information from regarding Sterk's tenure up here, you've got it backwards. Here's an excerpt from CougCenter.com: www.cougcenter.com/2010/2/13/1309186/on-sterk-leaving-wsu-for-san-diego"What else might have caused Sterk to leave? There have been rumors that he and university President Elson Floyd weren't necessarily each others' biggest fans. Vince Grippi insisted this morning that Sterk wasn't forced out and even offered an extension on his current deal (after the SDSU job came open), but rumors don't come from nowhere. If, indeed, there was tension, Sterk might have been ready for a change in order to work for a president he felt was fully behind him. Beyond that, it's well documented what a constant uphill battle it is managing the minuscule (by BCS standards) athletics budget at WSU. There was a lot of optimism regarding Phase III, but the inability to get the commitments up to 80 percent in order to get construction going had to be a source of enormous frustration for Sterk. One has to wonder if he hadn't just finally had it up to his eyeballs with tightwad donors." There are other article's in the Seattle PI and the Seattle Times stating the same. |
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Post by sancarlosaztec on Jun 17, 2010 13:56:41 GMT -8
Survalli take a step back and reread your posts like they were written by someone else. Can you see it? Lets hope our coaches and players never have your attitude. I'm with gburch. No football then no money to the school. I would not give a single penny. Sound crazy? Maybe, but IMO football is part of the School. Dropping it would be like cutting off a leg. I would cease to care about the school. Seems to me the state's higher education system is holding back the university from being all it can be. The school didn't always belong to the CSU system. Is there precedent for going independent? Hmmmm... No Aztec FB, not another cent to the athletic program from me. Probably lots of people with the same feeling. believe me i want a football team, but i mean common on...fight for it! or drop it...and im not talking about the fans, im talking about the Admins on up to the President of the School. talk lawsuit, or get off the freaking pot. |
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Post by steveaztec on Jun 17, 2010 14:01:04 GMT -8
D1 football at San Diego State must and will survive.
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Post by sdsuphilip on Jun 17, 2010 14:09:07 GMT -8
Survalli.....Stop it. We all thought the hire after Ted Tollner was the biggest in our history... We all thought the hire after Tom Craft was the biggest in our history... We all thought the hire after Chuck Long was the biggest in our history... But the hire after Brady Hoke WILL be our biggest in history. I don't think we will be able to keep Brady Hoke here after the next two years. If he can win 7 this year and 8 next year, he will prove his worth to everybody in the nation and the offers will come flowing in. Don't get me wrong, if Hoke has two straight bowl seasons I sure hope we can keep him, but I just don't see that happening. We did? |
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Post by aztecx on Jun 17, 2010 16:48:26 GMT -8
Dumb idea. Really dumb idea. whats dumb about being fiscally responsible? dropping football would lead to less revenues. Unless you are ok with just dropping 85 scholies in other womens sports, dropping football is a bad idea. Think fundraising is tough now, try doing it without football |
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Post by SD Johnny on Jun 17, 2010 16:51:55 GMT -8
Yes we did, Philip. Survalli.....Stop it. We all thought the hire after Ted Tollner was the biggest in our history... We all thought the hire after Tom Craft was the biggest in our history... We all thought the hire after Chuck Long was the biggest in our history... But the hire after Brady Hoke WILL be our biggest in history. I don't think we will be able to keep Brady Hoke here after the next two years. If he can win 7 this year and 8 next year, he will prove his worth to everybody in the nation and the offers will come flowing in. Don't get me wrong, if Hoke has two straight bowl seasons I sure hope we can keep him, but I just don't see that happening. We did? |
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