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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2010 8:48:20 GMT -8
I'm sorry if I piss you off. My love of of the Aztecs takes a back seat to nobody in this forum. I'm looking at what's going on and I HATE it but reality must be faced. Before all of this started, most posters on here were optimistically predicting 6 wins this season. That's with a cupcake schedule Most people on here would also tell you that Brady needs at least 5 years to rebuild this program. Given what we've seen in the last week or so, do you think these goals and the time line they imply will be sufficient to build the program to a point whereby we'll be in the mix when the crap really begins to hit the fan? I don't. And it sucks. The fact is we have no leverage. We can be nothing but victims right now. Hopefully we turn it around. Hopefully, the LOCAL community will rediscover the Aztecs. Hopefully, in a season or two, we'll be ranked. Hopefully, we'll ACTUALLY WIN A BIG GAME AGAINST A BIG TIME PROGRAM! JUST ONE! Hopefully all of these things will occur and we'll get into the mix. Sorry to be a downer but that's the way I feel right now. You know what, =bob, we've had our differences but I've always had at least a certain amount of grudging respect for you. not any more... Its the defeatist attitude that must be eradicated for our program to turn the corner. High school recruits do not want to play for a team where the fan base does not believe in them. afan, I respect your opinion but do not agree at all. I would like to invite you to hang out pre-game at the Aztec Football Legacy tailgate with 75 ex-players so you can get a feel for just how serious we take Brady Hoke and his coaching staff's commitment to bringing a winner to the Mesa. If, after that experience, you are not free of your doom and gloom...then I will gladly accept the resignation of your fandom. Brady Hoke will deliver a winner, despite the afan's of the world. I have spent one on one time with him and he is a very special person...I just hope we can all recognize it. Thanks for the invite Bill and I might just take you up on it. I think you misread me though. I have faith in the Aztecs. While far from a football expert, I've watched and participated enough in my life to see the NIGHT AND DAY difference Brady and co. made in the quality of play on the field last year. I have no doubt that given enough time, they will indeed turn things around. My lack of faith is in the NCAA and their utter lack of control due to their ceding it to the BCS. My fear is that SDSU will be, as they say in my industry, OBE (Overcome By Events). These events are beyond our control not only at the fan level but the University level as well. Let's all hope I'm wrong. Let's hope that things will settle down for another 4-5 years or however long the yet to be negotiated B12 TV contract runs and that we can make great strides in the program in terms of fan support and national recognition in the interim. Any more upheaval in the near-term will,I fear, leave us without a seat in the game of musical chairs the PAC and the B-10 conferences seem intent upon playing. As to my love of the Aztecs, when I was a kid, Dennis Shaw was a god to me and I wanted to be Haven Moses. I haven't changed. What true Aztec fan isn't proud of that tradition? Shaw, Penrose, Sipe, Freitas, Craft. These guys were slinging the ball around when the rest of college football was running the wishbone. SDSU was one of the founders of the game we all watch today. I'll never forget that and I'll continue to be a fan till the last dog dies but it doesn't prevent me from worrying about our future as it relates to events beyond our control. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2010 8:58:25 GMT -8
While Arkansas would love to play OU and Texas every year, I can't see them leaving the SEC. Love the Hawgs......Grandaddy was a "Honorary Scout" for the Razorbacks thru the 50's, 60's, and 70's. ***Honorary Scout means you give a very large amount of money to the program. I'm with you Steve. My mom is a Razorback as well as a number of my cousins. My niece, the little blond Cali girl is going into her sophomore year. Her dorm is across the parking lot from the stadium. My great uncle (RIP) and his family have had the same seats for at least 60 years. I hear nobody in my family pining for the old SWC days. They're in the SEC and proud of it. The LSU and Fla. games are BFD's to them. Most of them by the way, have never even heard of the MWC and think the B10, B12 and PAC are minor conferences all playing to see who gets their ass kicked by the SEC in the championship. Jerry Jones no doubt has big money and influence but the Walton's have bigger money and even more influence. The Walton's like the SEC just fine. |
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Post by steveaztec on Jun 17, 2010 9:04:42 GMT -8
While Arkansas would love to play OU and Texas every year, I can't see them leaving the SEC. Love the Hawgs......Grandaddy was a "Honorary Scout" for the Razorbacks thru the 50's, 60's, and 70's. ***Honorary Scout means you give a very large amount of money to the program. I'm with you Steve. My mom is a Razorback as well as a number of my cousins. My niece, the little blond Cali girl is going into her sophomore year. Her dorm is across the parking lot from the stadium. My great uncle (RIP) and his family have had the same seats for at least 60 years. I hear nobody in my family pining for the old SWC days. They're in the SEC and proud of it. The LSU and Fla. games are BFD's to them. Most of them by the way, have never even heard of the MWC and think the B10, B12 and PAC are minor conferences all playing to see who gets their ass kicked by the SEC in the championship. Jerry Jones no doubt has big money and influence but the Walton's have bigger money and even more influence. The Walton's like the SEC just fine. Ahhh, a fellow Razorback. My mom is still a HUGE Hog fan. She watches every game on TV. I have a handful of cousins who make the trip up to most every game in Fayettville. What a college sports town that is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2010 9:05:50 GMT -8
You think TCU cares to hand over all political power for their future by rejoining UT? And have you bothered to read anything about what U Texass wants in terms of a conference? Exactly. When it looked both like Missouri wasn't going to the Big Ten and the Pac-16 deal was going to go down without Utah leaving the MWC, some TCU fans were almost ecstatic at the prospect of their dream conference. That being the five Big 12 leftovers, plus the MWC's Big 3, plus some combination of Houston, AFA, SMU or Tulsa. THAT'S what TCU wants rather than the Mountain West. NOT any conference containing Texas (which BTW, has shown absolutely no sign of wanting to worry about recruiting against TCU if the Horned Frogs were added to the Big 12-2). |
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Post by scorpio on Jun 17, 2010 9:45:27 GMT -8
BYU will be next (B12) followed in short order by TCU (B12). These schools now see no reason to hold the conference together. Their responsibility is to themselves, not other conference members. The MWC will be dead in 2-3 years. SDSU football will go the way of LB State shortly thereafter. We all need to get used to the idea. I can only see your point based on BYU's and TCU's win/ loss records in football. But if these decisions are made on recruiting and numbers of TVs, SDSU would be the smart chose. The Big12/10 already owns the Dallas/FW market and the Utah market will now be split between Utah (Pac 12) and BYU (MWC). Therefore SDSU going to the Big 12 could bring more TVs than TCU and BYU put together, not to mention the significant California recruiting that SDSU and the Big 12 could rip away from the Pac 12. If we start winning before any more expansion, it could happen. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jun 17, 2010 11:14:59 GMT -8
You know...I had not registered for this new board yet because I usually just read it over lunch for updates and entertainment...but I had to register so I could condemn and dismiss afan's comments about getting used to the idea of no SDSU football.With all do respect afan, what's wrong with you? Have some pride and spirit about Aztec Football...Coach Hoke is busting his butt to remind us all that there is legitimate tradition at this school and we should be proud. What we do not need is people already resigned to football on the mesa as being a dead program walking. I am sorry if this offends you...scratch that...I hope it does, at least a little, so you will realize that we all need to do everything in our power to promote Aztec football. We have enough naysayers in this town...we don't need the negative vibes emanating from chat rooms of the die hard fans. You will never find me desecrating the name of this program...where you will find me is at every home Aztec game hosting a darn good tailgate and flying the red and black proudly for all to see. I'm sorry if I piss you off. My love of of the Aztecs takes a back seat to nobody in this forum. I'm looking at what's going on and I HATE it but reality must be faced. Before all of this started, most posters on here were optimistically predicting 6 wins this season. That's with a cupcake schedule Most people on here would also tell you that Brady needs at least 5 years to rebuild this program. Given what we've seen in the last week or so, do you think these goals and the time line they imply will be sufficient to build the program to a point whereby we'll be in the mix when the crap really begins to hit the fan? I don't. And it sucks. The fact is we have no leverage. We can be nothing but victims right now. Hopefully we turn it around. Hopefully, the LOCAL community will rediscover the Aztecs. Hopefully, in a season or two, we'll be ranked. Hopefully, we'll ACTUALLY WIN A BIG GAME AGAINST A BIG TIME PROGRAM! JUST ONE! Hopefully all of these things will occur and we'll get into the mix. Sorry to be a downer but that's the way I feel right now. You know what, =bob, we've had our differences but I've always had at least a certain amount of grudging respect for you. not any more... Gee, bummer. But you really should take a look at how much TCU hates UT before you make your (continued) prediction that they'll jump. They want nothing to do with Texas (and, for that matter, Texas wants nothing to do with them). =Bob |
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Post by 83aztec on Jun 17, 2010 12:10:05 GMT -8
TCU will never be a part of the Big 12. Texas already has the Dallas Fort Worth Market. TCU only has a 35K seat stadium that they don't fill. TCU is in the MWC to stay. Plus the big twelve is not going to expand for a few years.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2010 13:37:18 GMT -8
I'm sorry if I piss you off. My love of of the Aztecs takes a back seat to nobody in this forum. I'm looking at what's going on and I HATE it but reality must be faced. Before all of this started, most posters on here were optimistically predicting 6 wins this season. That's with a cupcake schedule Most people on here would also tell you that Brady needs at least 5 years to rebuild this program. Given what we've seen in the last week or so, do you think these goals and the time line they imply will be sufficient to build the program to a point whereby we'll be in the mix when the crap really begins to hit the fan? I don't. And it sucks. The fact is we have no leverage. We can be nothing but victims right now. Hopefully we turn it around. Hopefully, the LOCAL community will rediscover the Aztecs. Hopefully, in a season or two, we'll be ranked. Hopefully, we'll ACTUALLY WIN A BIG GAME AGAINST A BIG TIME PROGRAM! JUST ONE! Hopefully all of these things will occur and we'll get into the mix. Sorry to be a downer but that's the way I feel right now. You know what, =bob, we've had our differences but I've always had at least a certain amount of grudging respect for you. not any more... Gee, bummer. But you really should take a look at how much TCU hates UT before you make your (continued) prediction that they'll jump. They want nothing to do with Texas (and, for that matter, Texas wants nothing to do with them). =Bob Institutions are emotionless bob, TCU doesn't "hate" Texas and Texas doen't "hate" TCU. If there's an opportunity to strengthen the profile and standing of the B12, if for instance Mizz bolts or is enticed away as the inexorable pull towards 16 team super-conferences continues the B12 will be looking for a way to strengthen theirposition and TCU will be looking to improve their lot. Anybody that thinks TCU wouldn't jump to an AQ with more money to be gained just isn't paying attention to what all of this about. The reasons for each program for making a move such as this may be totally different as is the case in many contractual arrangements. It seems obvious to me that this is really just a slow-motion version of the NCAA basketball tournament. All D1 schools are looking to fill one of 64 available slots. Some, probably 50 or more programs are shoo-ins, leaving the rest to position themselves for the remaining 14 or so invitations to the party. There is no margin for error. SDSU cannot wait. It must win now unless you believe that in today's economy, with all of the budgetary pressures the system and the state are facing, that the community and the institution will continue to fund and support an also-ran program in a minor conference with less TV revenue than we're getting now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2010 14:46:27 GMT -8
Found this today from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch: www.freep.com/article/20100625/SPORTS08/100625054/1356/sports/What-will-future-bring-in-conference-expansionMuch of it isn't at all newsworthy but I think a couple things are significant. One is that that the Big 12-2's new deal with ABC/ESPN is pretty much at the same dollars as the old one. The difference, of course, is that rather than splitting the money in twelfths, the conference will be splitting it in tenths. An approximate 20% increase in what was already a sizable amount of money ain't peanuts. But along with the fact that apparently the only thing Texas agreed with Nebraska on was the uselessness of a conference championship football game, that's confirmation that the Big 12-2 isn't just blowing smoke in saying it won't be adding two new members any time soon. Another interesting comment is in the middle of the article regarding "leverage" or "contingency thinking" and/or "strategy." Interesting in the sense that the writer asserts that value of a university to conferences isn't just in TV potential as measured by number of sets in and around its location, but also by buzz about the school. And as another article I read yesterday put it, the prospect of aTm moving to the SEC created a ton of very welcome buzz for a football program that has had very little of it since RC Slocum was fired. It therefore seems to me that nothing would enhance the chances of SDSU being offered by the Pac like prior speculation that SDSU might be offered by the Big 12-2. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 25, 2010 15:11:30 GMT -8
I'm sorry if I piss you off. My love of of the Aztecs takes a back seat to nobody in this forum. I'm looking at what's going on and I HATE it but reality must be faced. Before all of this started, most posters on here were optimistically predicting 6 wins this season. That's with a cupcake schedule Most people on here would also tell you that Brady needs at least 5 years to rebuild this program. Given what we've seen in the last week or so, do you think these goals and the time line they imply will be sufficient to build the program to a point whereby we'll be in the mix when the crap really begins to hit the fan? I don't. And it sucks. The fact is we have no leverage. We can be nothing but victims right now. Hopefully we turn it around. Hopefully, the LOCAL community will rediscover the Aztecs. Hopefully, in a season or two, we'll be ranked. Hopefully, we'll ACTUALLY WIN A BIG GAME AGAINST A BIG TIME PROGRAM! JUST ONE! Hopefully all of these things will occur and we'll get into the mix. Sorry to be a downer but that's the way I feel right now. You know what, =bob, we've had our differences but I've always had at least a certain amount of grudging respect for you. not any more... Its the defeatist attitude that must be eradicated for our program to turn the corner. High school recruits do not want to play for a team where the fan base does not believe in them. afan, I respect your opinion but do not agree at all. I would like to invite you to hang out pre-game at the Aztec Football Legacy tailgate with 75 ex-players so you can get a feel for just how serious we take Brady Hoke and his coaching staff's commitment to bringing a winner to the Mesa. If, after that experience, you are not free of your doom and gloom...then I will gladly accept the resignation of your fandom. Brady Hoke will deliver a winner, despite the afan's of the world. I have spent one on one time with him and he is a very special person...I just hope we can all recognize it. I happen to agree with this idea, but find it sad that we must produce a winner before we can get some butts in the seats and excite the San Diego community. I think Hoke gets it done and we get some big crowds again. I also think that he is laying a better foundation than Lugie did when we had that brief blip with those flashy teams. |
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Post by hoobs on Jun 25, 2010 15:17:12 GMT -8
It therefore seems to me that nothing would enhance the chances of SDSU being offered by the Pac like prior speculation that SDSU might be offered by the Big 12-2. Cannot. Agree. More. If the Pac12 believes for a second that the Big12-2 is serious about adding SDSU, we'll be part of the Pac within days. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jun 25, 2010 15:18:23 GMT -8
Gee, bummer. But you really should take a look at how much TCU hates UT before you make your (continued) prediction that they'll jump. They want nothing to do with Texas (and, for that matter, Texas wants nothing to do with them). =Bob Institutions are emotionless bob, TCU doesn't "hate" Texas and Texas doen't "hate" TCU. If there's an opportunity to strengthen the profile and standing of the B12, if for instance Mizz bolts or is enticed away as the inexorable pull towards 16 team super-conferences continues the B12 will be looking for a way to strengthen theirposition and TCU will be looking to improve their lot. Anybody that thinks TCU wouldn't jump to an AQ with more money to be gained just isn't paying attention to what all of this about. The reasons for each program for making a move such as this may be totally different as is the case in many contractual arrangements. Um, no. Institutions are run by people so by definition they are emotional. Take my word (or more accurately my opinion) about this - TCU spent a lot of time in the Southwest Conference and they know damn good and well that only UT matters when it comes to Texas politics (well, with TAMU and Texas Tech not all that far behind). So why would they want to go back to a lousy situation? It's a small, private school that never got any love at all from the Texas legislature, unlike Baylor got from Richards. They are way better off in the MWC, assuming the MWC can attain BCS status. If the conference can't, all bets are off, but the last thing in the world TCU wants is to go back to a conference that holds them in total contempt. You have to look at it in the same manner as we look at SDSU and the Smack-10. Even if we had the same number of seasons TCU has enjoyed, Texass would still not want them because they are totally arrogant and assume DFW is part of their market. Jeez, read what the TCU fans say on the MWC forum - they want no part of UT except UT's ass. =Bob |
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Post by justafan on Jun 25, 2010 17:50:34 GMT -8
Yeah sure....right up to the time they are offered a cut of the TV contract for $20 million, or whatever.
Just listen for the "Pop". That will be the sound of the air rushing in to fill the vacuum created by their instantaneous departure.
It will be a straight up business decision.
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Post by tonatiuh on Jun 25, 2010 18:38:08 GMT -8
Don't know why you think that Arkansas would want to join the Big 12. They seem to be pretty happy in the SEC. It is the Big Conference. We should try to get the MWC as an AQ for the BCS, and then we all would be set with no need to switch conferences. |
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Post by ervaztec on Jun 26, 2010 7:46:10 GMT -8
Right now in college football everyone is playing the cards they have to try to get a bigger slice of the pie. There will be winners and losers and some programs will likely fold. We have few cards to play and will end up where ever we end up without us having a significant influence over it. THAT IS NEVER GOOD!
Not acknowledging this possibility lowers ones "credibility." And saying that some one who acknowledges this, is like a "homeless person" and deserves NO respect makes you look like a 5 year old.
I predict that our days as an anemic "mid major" are about to end. We will either be given an equal playing field and will become a FB power. Or we will be denied access and our program will be over.
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Post by aztecbo on Jun 26, 2010 8:02:28 GMT -8
We need more Hammetts.
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