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Post by keepfootball on Jan 27, 2011 9:27:15 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2011 9:44:50 GMT -8
i like the word "extort"
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Post by sleepy on Jan 27, 2011 9:51:09 GMT -8
I keep thinking of the tag-line from "The Truman Show":
How Will It End?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2011 10:04:14 GMT -8
Even if we were to pick up some of those schools, and the MWC were to get "stronger" the power conferences would be even STRONGER with those realignment and the disparity between the two would at best stay the same.
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Post by hoobs on Jan 27, 2011 10:23:21 GMT -8
Texas wanting/needing to keep the Big Longhorn Conference together after A&M and OU possibly move to the SEC could be a very, VERY fortuitous sequence of events.
And I *do* think Texas needs to keep the Big-"12" cobbled together. They need a conference affiliation for all sports outside football... and being the Big Dog football program in their own conference also helps -- esp. if there is ever an actual "true" playoff system for college football. With no Nebraska, no Oklahoma... they (at least in their own minds) would have no real solid opposition to winning their conference every year. And as along as they still get to keep the extra ESPN $$$, why NOT stay in the conference.
COME ON SEC... do the right thing and invite OU and A&M, now!
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Post by hoobs on Jan 27, 2011 10:28:45 GMT -8
Even if we were to pick up some of those schools, and the MWC were to get "stronger" the power conferences would be even STRONGER with those realignment and the disparity between the two would at best stay the same. But if the Big-12 actually ceased to exist, there would be ENORMOUS pressure for the BCS to grant immediate AQ status to the new conference home of its refugees. You think Orrin Hatch was causing a stink? Think about the Senators from Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, and Texas ALL making speeches about how ISU, KU, KSU, MU, TTU -- now in the MWC -- need to remain part of the BCS family SDSU joining the Big Longhorn Conference is the other option (in theory). |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2011 11:08:09 GMT -8
Even if we were to pick up some of those schools, and the MWC were to get "stronger" the power conferences would be even STRONGER with those realignment and the disparity between the two would at best stay the same. But if the Big-12 actually ceased to exist, there would be ENORMOUS pressure for the BCS to grant immediate AQ status to the new conference home of its refugees. You think Orrin Hatch was causing a stink? Think about the Senators from Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, and Texas ALL making speeches about how ISU, KU, KSU, MU, TTU -- now in the MWC -- need to remain part of the BCS family I'm not nearly as optimistic about that as you are. Senators from Kansas, Missouri and Iowa were scrambling around when the Pac-16 looked like it would happen trying to scuttle the deal. However, nobody paid any attention to them. Those states simply don't have anybody in the senate with the clout of Hatch. As an example, off the top of my head I can't name even one of the six senators from those two states. Sam Brownback maybe? (Not sure about that, just know he was at least once about as right wing as anybody there so the Tea Partiers loved him and almost nobody else.) As to TT and Baylor, If aTm goes to the SEC and UT goes indy, it will mean that the Texas legislature has given up its decades old obsession with keeping those schools together. So if that happens, the writing will be on the wall that politicians no longer have the interest they once did. (Granted, Texas' senators still could.) So I would make it at best 50-50 whether what you predict would occur. In fact, I would guess the BCS would then grant the MWC provisional AQ status of some sort. But how beneficial would that be? The MWC already has one member with a limited ceiling for football success, Wyoming. It has another member which doesn't seem any more interested in football than the average WAC school, UNM. And UNLV remains a big question mark. Adding Iowa State (never good in football for more than a few years at a time), Kansas (see ISU except when Mangino was there), KSU (Snyder can't go on much longer) and Baylor (Briles will be hired away soon) and half the conference figures to be a football turd. Then there's TV ratings. None of those Big 12 schools is located in a big market. I continue to think that if the Big 12 falls apart so SDSU never gets an invitation to join that the best thing would be for those eastern schools to simply join the Front Range schools of the MWC and form a new conference. The writing is also on the wall that the Big East is going to 10 and only 10 in order to keep slots open for Kansas and Mizzou. Ergo: New SWC (or whatever they'd call it)K-State Iowa St. Baylor AFA CSU Wyoming Houston SMU New WAC (or whatever they'd call it)SDSU Fresno UNLV UNR Boise St. Montana SJSU Hawaii The question would become which conference Texas Tech, UNM and UTEP would go to. Since UTEP appears adamant about staying in the same conference with Houston and SMU, you have to think they'd want to be in the new SWC if they were wanted. Tech? I have to think they would want to be in the best possible football conference and that would be the new WAC. UNM? I honestly don't have a clue about those guys these days since they seem oblivious to how important football is. |
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Post by ellbee on Jan 27, 2011 11:38:51 GMT -8
"Make no mistake about it, we've entered a new era of college athletics, where once conferences were king now individual schools, in some cases, don't give a damn about anyone but themselves."
Does that make you think of any school offhand? I don't know about you, but one school immediately came to mind when I read that - and it wasn't Texas.
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Post by hoobs on Jan 27, 2011 11:43:42 GMT -8
But why would Texas want to let THEIR conference dissolve? They have their cake & get to eat it too right now. I see no reason for them to go Indy, as long as they retain the level of control and autonomy with the 'Longhorn Network'/ESPN that they currently enjoy. So if OU and A&M accept a theoretical invite to the SEC, wouldn't Texas want to keep their fiefdom intact, retaining maximum leverage and flexibility?
Just thinking out loud.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2011 11:57:21 GMT -8
"Make no mistake about it, we've entered a new era of college athletics, where once conferences were king now individual schools, in some cases, don't give a damn about anyone but themselves." Does that make you think of any school offhand? I don't know about you, but one school immediately came to mind when I read that - and it wasn't Texas. Consider this. Which state has the highest birthrate? I'll give you a hint. The Wasatch Mountains run through it. And which university is affiliated with the predominant religion in that state? Bottom line is the Borg's fan base figures to keep growing by leaps and bounds. Anyway, hoobs is correct that there is no reason for Texas to similarly go indy as long as the rest of that conference will continue to allow UT to earn 3-4 times as much in TV revenue. The reason is there's nowhere for most of them to go that would pay nearly as much as they're now earning. (IIRC, that's about double what Big East members earn.) So after having once thought the Big 12 would fold, I actually think it could continue on, albeit as a continuing shadow of its former self. |
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Post by Borg on Jan 27, 2011 12:06:42 GMT -8
It ticks me off, and I've posted already about this...but a new age may be dawning and again, it creates more bitterness inside me than even the BCS has done. The greed/corruption evolution: To join the club, you have too: 1) play in a prestigious bowl (Holiday Bowl, not good enough) 2) have HUGE stadiums/gate receipts (attendance figures) 3) Be affiliated with other "power" schools (BCS/Bowl Alliance) 4) Have your own conference TV network (MTN started this...) 5) Have your own universities network/broadcasting capabilities (BYU started this one...Texas has followed) Wonder if it will no longer be conferences by geography, tradition, and history...but rather the first major universities to develop their own TV broadcasting networks, and each school makes their own contracts, and because the money is so huge, they don't have to worry about the travel costs. Loosely tied conference - 1) Texas (own network) 2) BYU (own network) 3) Ohio St (so much $$ could develop one quickly) 4) USC (same as #3) 5) ..... ...etc. You get it. First big time colleges to put together, make a contract with their own broadcasting abilities form the first "super conference". Greed. Killing sports.  |
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Post by Fred Noonan on Jan 27, 2011 13:06:43 GMT -8
It ticks me off, and I've posted already about this...but a new age may be dawning and again, it creates more bitterness inside me than even the BCS has done. The greed/corruption evolution: To join the club, you have too: 1) play in a prestigious bowl (Holiday Bowl, not good enough) 2) have HUGE stadiums/gate receipts (attendance figures) 3) Be affiliated with other "power" schools (BCS/Bowl Alliance) 4) Have your own conference TV network (MTN started this...) 5) Have your own universities network/broadcasting capabilities (BYU started this one...Texas has followed) Wonder if it will no longer be conferences by geography, tradition, and history...but rather the first major universities to develop their own TV broadcasting networks, and each school makes their own contracts, and because the money is so huge, they don't have to worry about the travel costs. Loosely tied conference - 1) Texas (own network) 2) BYU (own network) 3) Ohio St (so much $$ could develop one quickly) 4) USC (same as #3) 5) ..... ...etc. You get it. First big time colleges to put together, make a contract with their own broadcasting abilities form the first "super conference". Greed. Killing sports. I think you are onto something here, the Super Conference concept. Don't know if your BYU fits, but that's another question. Think 12 schools with network affiliations dividing up the market place in a loose alliance--playing 6-8 games within the alliance each year and mopping up inferior competition the rest of the time. The money rolls in, no need to share and they can proclaim they are the champions at the end. Maybe not tomorrow, but in Max Headroom's future... The Fred Noonan School of Navigation.  |
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Post by hoobs on Jan 27, 2011 13:08:56 GMT -8
So after having once thought the Big 12 would fold, I actually think it could continue on, albeit as a continuing shadow of its former self. Fine by me, as long we we're part of it! No matter how much more Texas would be making, joining even a watered down Big-12 would increase our TV contract revenue by... how much? Five-fold or more?? |
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Post by aztecfred on Jan 27, 2011 13:14:37 GMT -8
Speaking of Universities with their own TV, hasn't there been a TV station on campus for like 50 years how come we can't build something on that?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2011 13:18:27 GMT -8
No matter how much more Texas would be making, joining even a watered down Big-12 would increase our TV contract revenue by... how much? Five-fold or more?? I'll leave breaking down the numbers to nickels and dimes to monty since he seems to enjoy that stuff. However, SDSU is going to continue to receive ~$1.4M per year in TV revenue under the current MWC deal with Comcast. That's through June 2012 if I'm not mistaken. In contrast, if what Beebe the Big 12 commish said last June is accurate, the ISUs and KSUs of that conference are going to start earning $7M per next year. Even assuming that's high as some pundits have said, those dregs of the Big 12 will still earn at least four times what we will get. |
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Post by SD Johnny on Jan 27, 2011 13:27:02 GMT -8
Even if there's only 4 teams left so long as the Big 12 name still exists they will be the ones doing the inviting. The waiver that the WAC recently received to continue as a conference has set the precedence for it. SDSU has only had one good year in football in the last decade but anyone that can't see the potential of this school (especially in a BCS conference) is kidding themselves. TV markets and potential will be the name of the game IMO for future conference realignment and joining the Big 12 would be an easy way to get rid of the dead weight of the MWC (Wyo, CSU, etc.).
The schools I see with the best chance of making the cut are as follows:
SDSU
Houston
UCF
SMU
BYU
UNLV
Memphis
As has been seen in the recent shifts in conference alignment, geography is out the window.
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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Jan 27, 2011 13:54:48 GMT -8
Sadly, once the champion of the little guy, ESPN has become a plague on college football.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2011 14:03:44 GMT -8
Sadly, once the champion of the little guy, ESPN has become a plague on college football. Yeah but it isn't just ESPN which is to blame. For example, Tim Brando has said on his radio show more than once that conferences like the MWC which have any programming on CBS-C shouldn't expect much in the way of advertising on the main CBS network since CBS Sports' primary income comes from the SEC and the SEC is adamant that CBS not advertise any other programming during SEC games except other SEC games. So just watch. Some MWC folks are already getting excited about Comcast buying NBC and speculating that in addition to ND, there will be at least one MWC game televised every Saturday on NBC. Because ND is as important to NBC as the SEC is to CBS, I'm not counting on that in the slightest. |
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Post by aztech on Jan 27, 2011 15:12:18 GMT -8
But why would Texas want to let THEIR conference dissolve? They have their cake & get to eat it too right now. I see no reason for them to go Indy, as long as they retain the level of control and autonomy with the 'Longhorn Network'/ESPN that they currently enjoy. So if OU and A&M accept a theoretical invite to the SEC, wouldn't Texas want to keep their fiefdom intact, retaining maximum leverage and flexibility? Just thinking out loud. If Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and aTm go to the SEC, I strongly feel the Big XII will go after the 2 Arizona schools as payback to the Pac. The Big XII gets more media money so that's a good enticement. The 3rd replacement member would be the real question mark. Could be New Mexico, or us. I still say BYU is looked upon as a pariah by BCS conferences. The rest of the Big XII dwarfs have nowhere to go so they won't be raising a stink. I think the rumor of the BE taking them is ridiculous. |
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Jan 27, 2011 15:21:38 GMT -8
Sadly, once the champion of the little guy, ESPN has become a plague on college football. Yeah but it isn't just ESPN which is to blame. For example, Tim Brando has said on his radio show more than once that conferences like the MWC which have any programming on CBS-C shouldn't expect much in the way of advertising on the main CBS network since CBS Sports' primary income comes from the SEC and the SEC is adamant that CBS not advertise any other programming during SEC games except other SEC games. So just watch. Some MWC folks are already getting excited about Comcast buying NBC and speculating that in addition to ND, there will be at least one MWC game televised every Saturday on NBC. Because ND is as important to NBC as the SEC is to CBS, I'm not counting on that in the slightest. Difference is CBS gets a SEC game every week, not true about NBC and ND. I don't see why it'd be an issue to air a game when ND won't be on NBC. Especially if Comcast/NBC has any interest in challenging ESPN. |
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