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Post by ellbee on Jun 9, 2010 17:34:17 GMT -8
My guess is that all rules and bets are off from the old BCS standards once the 4 mega-conferences are formed. It's built in for a national playoff with only 4 mega-conferences--not 5 --not 6 or 7. Once again the MWC is outside looking in. I hope I'm wrong!! Yep - Mega-Conference championship games act as quasi-playoffs, then throw in a Plus One game - voila! But let's remind the student-athletes that this isn't about money...
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Post by aronoff on Jun 9, 2010 17:39:20 GMT -8
as a participant in the first major shift back in 1977, we are in for an interesting ride that is already underway.
Our Football survival is at stake and the key will be if the MWC core with us included can merge with the remaining Big 12 schools to be a part of the super conference group.
It is not a question of who will visit San Diego as an opponent but the payout as a conference member for BCS Football and basketball NCAA/TV revenue.
If the 5 Big 12 members run the show and poach TCU, BYU and Utah with a few Big East types, we could be stuck with an expanded WAC in another PCAA/Big West type run just under a different name. That could kill football for good.
We know it's not just the quality of the school's academic and athletic programs but location, TV market, facilities, travel.
The conference will live in the Pac 16 shadow much like the ACC does with the SEC.
We'll see how valuable "San Diego" is as a market for a non Pac 16 league.
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Post by laaztec on Jun 9, 2010 17:40:30 GMT -8
My guess is that all rules and bets are off from the old BCS standards once the 4 mega-conferences are formed. It's built in for a national playoff with only 4 mega-conferences--not 5 --not 6 or 7. Once again the MWC is outside looking in. I hope I'm wrong!! That is exactly what is going to happen. If they MWC is still together they will be in the same position they are now. The Expansion is nothing but bad news for the MWC and SDSU.
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Post by laaztec on Jun 9, 2010 17:43:03 GMT -8
If the 5 Big 12 members run the show and poach TCU, BYU and Utah with a few Big East types, we could be stuck with an expanded WAC in another PCAA/Big West type run just under a different name. That could kill football for good. That could very well happen. If it does drop football and go to the Big West.
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Post by boblowe on Jun 9, 2010 18:08:32 GMT -8
You may be rivals if the Cyclones end up in the MWC. (We beat them and Dwayne Crutchfield, back in the day, BTW.) My office mate is an Iowa State alum. He's bummed. The way things are shaping up, the Cyclones are essentially the red-headed stepchild about to leave for school on "Kick-A-Ginger" day.
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Post by boblowe on Jun 9, 2010 18:14:40 GMT -8
Orangeblood.com reports Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, OSU and Colorado to Pac (16).
This is about as good as it gets for the Pac 10. They don't have to take Baylor and get the Denver TV market with the Buffs. They still get Texas (the state and the U. in Austin) and the other two big schools in the state.
Oklahoma has had a little success, too. With OSU you get a sugar daddy (T-boon Pickens) to rival Oregon's Phil Knight.
This will a boon for Texas schools to tap into California recruiting, and vice versa.
My guess is ASU and U of A foes with newbies to form East Division. Old Pac fans will like this as the original 8 are in the West division. For the far left Pac-ers, good news in football will be to face east champ ONLY in a championship game.
Venues for a championship game: Jerry Jones Palace, U. of Phoenix Stadium or new 49er park (check out the drawings!).
Or, perhaps, this could kick start a new L.A. stadium to house NFL team(s), Super Bowl(s), bowl game (hopefully this news means we're heading to a playoff), etc.
While SDSU doesn't get in the PAC, the MWC seems to be in a good position. There's rumors of BYU and TCU to the Big 12. For some reason, that doesn't seem likely.
If B12 is gone, obviously Kansas--with their basketball program--is the jewel. Methinks their britches might be too big for the MWC...
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Post by Fred Noonan on Jun 9, 2010 18:18:55 GMT -8
1. This is not the first "done deal" announcement we have seen. It's one more good rumor to chew on 2. I have never been confident that this will end well for the Aztecs. It's all about a monopoly dividing the pie and if they wouldn't let us sit at the table before I don't see them getting more genorous today. Time will tell. My fingers are crossed. The Fred Noonan School of Navigation.
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Post by boblowe on Jun 9, 2010 18:36:15 GMT -8
There's always a risk, but the MWC could be in the best position to add teams to 16--which would seem to be a ticket to a playoff (when we get one). Where else are Iowa State, Kansas State, Baylor (good match with TCU) going to go? 1. This is not the first "done deal" announcement we have seen. It's one more good rumor to chew on 2. I have never been confident that this will end well for the Aztecs. It's all about a monopoly dividing the pie and if they wouldn't let us sit at the table before I don't see them getting more genorous today. Time will tell. My fingers are crossed. The Fred Noonan School of Navigation.
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Post by survalli on Jun 9, 2010 19:42:32 GMT -8
said it before will say it again, we will be one of the last let in the Big12, which is never, which means there is a good possibility that BYU, TCU, and Utah will be gone. Our civic leaders need to step up here.,
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Post by choop on Jun 9, 2010 20:04:51 GMT -8
Need as many schools as possible to leave the Big-12, basically damage it beyond repair. If 8 schools leave, the remaining four have average football programs and poor TV markets. The Big 12 needs to compete with these new conferences and would have to draw 8 teams to replace the 8 they lost. Boise and 3 MWC teams won't do it. All these teams have just average or below average TV markets. Their TV deal would be worse than the present MWC deal.
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Post by survalli on Jun 9, 2010 20:08:34 GMT -8
Need as many schools as possible to leave the Big-12, basically damage it beyond repair. If 8 schools leave, the remaining four have average football programs and poor TV markets. The Big 12 needs to compete with these new conferences and would have to draw 8 teams to replace the 8 they lost. Boise and 3 MWC teams won't do it. All these teams have just average or below average TV markets. Their TV deal would be worse than the present MWC deal. it wont be just 3-4 MWC, it could be more, and then also it could be Memphis, or Houston... bottomline on that is SDSU has no place at the table in the Big12, we can only hope we lose 1 team from the MWC. take away 2-3 and its over.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2010 11:20:53 GMT -8
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Post by Frantic on Jun 11, 2010 12:39:16 GMT -8
My office mate who is an Iowa State alum just got this. It confirms that Nebraska is gone. The last sentence of the third paragraph is 100% true (which I underlined and put in italics).
Dear Cyclone alumni, fans and friends of the University, In the past two days, the University of Colorado and the University of Nebraska have announced that they are leaving the Big 12 Conference for other affiliations. We are deeply disappointed in their decisions, and we are concerned about how those decisions impact Iowa State University.
Over the next several days, the presidents and directors of athletics of the Big 12 member institutions will be discussing options and potential initiatives that we may take in order to move forward in light of the Colorado and Nebraska decisions. Be assured, we will continue to do everything in our power to represent the best interests of Iowa State University in these discussions; it is also important to understand that actions taken by other member institutions are beyond our control. We should never forget that Iowa State University is an outstanding academic and research institution with a proud history of student-athletes succeeding in the classroom and in competition. Keep in mind during the past year our student-athletes were first in the Big 12 Conference in graduation rates, and Iowa State has enjoyed our highest ranking ever in the Learfield Director’s Cup standings, which measures competitive success. But as all of the discussions about conference realignment illustrate, the future of college athletics appears to be less about academics and competitive success and more about money, as measured by television viewership and the associated revenues.
We appreciate your longstanding loyalty to Iowa State and certainly understand and share your concern for the future of the Big 12 Conference and the potential impact on our institution. Thank you for your understanding and, we will keep you informed as developments occur. Go Cyclones!
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Post by wonderful66 on Jun 11, 2010 15:42:06 GMT -8
I guess I am old fashioned, but I like having 8 to 10 teams in a conference. Anything over that creates problems. Large conferences don't play all other teams in the league each year in football and basketball and thus some schedules are weaker than others. Some years you have a great home schedule and in others it is so-so. But who can get in the way of progress? Money rules.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jun 11, 2010 15:49:43 GMT -8
My guess is that all rules and bets are off from the old BCS standards once the 4 mega-conferences are formed. It's built in for a national playoff with only 4 mega-conferences--not 5 --not 6 or 7. Once again the MWC is outside looking in. I hope I'm wrong!! Yikes...this has an eery, scary sound of truth to it..... I can remember discussing this quite a few years ago on the MWC forum when "The Alliance" was formed and the consensus then was that there would be 4 conferences, composed of 64 teams, that would move toward a mythical national championship while blocking out anyone who was not a member of the cartel. If and when it comes to that, it will be incumbent upon those left out, including the arrogant former BCS schools to suck it up, call a spade a spade and admit that college football is a business and the new cartel (whatever they happen to name it) is engaging in restraint of trade and then litigate like there is no tomorrow. =Bob
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jun 11, 2010 15:58:10 GMT -8
said it before will say it again, we will be one of the last let in the Big12, which is never, which means there is a good possibility that BYU, TCU, and Utah will be gone. Our civic leaders need to step up here., At the risk of being accused of yet again following you around, California ain't Texass. Our college systems work nothing like they do in Texass and there are no "civic leaders" who can step up because our legislature does not have the control over the UC system that Texass has over their state schools and has never shown any desire to have that sort of control. In short, you simply do not understand how academic politics work in this state. =Bob
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jun 11, 2010 16:01:10 GMT -8
Need as many schools as possible to leave the Big-12, basically damage it beyond repair. If 8 schools leave, the remaining four have average football programs and poor TV markets. The Big 12 needs to compete with these new conferences and would have to draw 8 teams to replace the 8 they lost. Boise and 3 MWC teams won't do it. All these teams have just average or below average TV markets. Their TV deal would be worse than the present MWC deal. it wont be just 3-4 MWC, it could be more, and then also it could be Memphis, or Houston... bottomline on that is SDSU has no place at the table in the Big12, we can only hope we lose 1 team from the MWC. take away 2-3 and its over. Do us all favor - take a prozac and stop being such a Nancy Boy. I'm sorry that I have to write that, but you really are a Gloomy Gus and you have no reason yet to be one. I'm sure it's difficult for you, but try to look at the positives this anarchy may bring instead of constantly writing as a manic-depressive would. =Bob
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Post by Frantic on Jun 11, 2010 18:15:53 GMT -8
So my Iowa State buddy filled me with the mid-western point of view...
Nebraska is very concerned that its glory days are behind it. Its biggest fear is becoming just another mid-western football program - after all, what is there to distinguish a state like Nebraska from Missouri, Kansas, Colorado, etc. Nebraska has a storied football history, but the lack of population means Nebraska must go outside its borders and convince kids - top kids - to come to Lincoln. Nebraska also made a terrible mistake hiring Bill Callahan, which seriously set the program back.
However, Nebraska alumni are nothing if not proud. They want to return to the mid-1990s and the earlier Osborne days. Nebraska was never happy with the formation of the Big 12. In fact, they want to return to the glory days of the Big 8 when Nebraska and Oklahoma were bitter rivals but dominated things. Modernly it just kills them to be left out of the BCS party.
And while Nebraska has endured a relatively down decade, they absolutely hate that Texas has dominated the Big 12. They also believe the Big 12 has become Texas-centric, e.g., the Big 12 championship recently committing to hold the championship in Texas Stadium through 2013.
That's the backdrop to last December's Big 12 championship game between Nebraska and Texas. Nebraska went into the game with its first 10 win season since 2003. It looked like Bo Pelini had things on track. Nebraska had the opportunity to beat the hated Longhorns in Dallas and knock them out of the BCS championship game. A loss by Texas would have thrown the BCS into a complete tailspin (and frankly, handed the championship spot to Cinncinatti or TCU).
Texas was losing to Nebraska by a score of 10 to 12 with 9 seconds left. Colt McCoy took a snap and threw an incomplete pass out of bounds as time ran out. The game was over. However, Mack Brown demanded that one second be placed back on the clock. The officials took a 'replay review' and placed one second back on the clock. Texas kicked a field goal, won the game, and went to the BCS championship game. I won't get into the rules, but it appears the rules did not permit a review in order to put time back on the clock. Nebraska came to the Holiday Bowl and kicked the snot out of Arizona, but Osborne and the Red Nation was beside itself.
Although the Big 10 has been talking about expansion for some time, and there is certainly money involved, that loss sealed the deal for Nebraska in terms of leaving the Big 12.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2010 20:41:16 GMT -8
Little Red is going to the Big-10 because it can't win consistently in the Big-12. Wonder why the Big-10 has decided to invite Nebraska with its vanilla Big-10 offense, but not MO with its spread, wide-open scheme? Hmm.
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Post by oc74aztec on Jun 11, 2010 21:33:13 GMT -8
An interesting option expressed by the Atlanta Constitution. If the remaining 10 teams stay in the Big12, here's how they could add two more teams that help the league the most: At first blush, the West looks tempting. Utah and Brigham Young of the Mountain West are among the next best things not in a BCS automatic qualifier conference (yet).
Forget TCU from that conference. Terrific school, probably should have been in the Big 12 in the first place, but the league doesn't want another Texas-based school to siphon off recruits.
But let's stay out of the Mountain West altogether and look east, specifically Louisville and Cincinnati. Those Big East schools are already members of a BCS conference and are in larger population areas. It would put the Big 12 in SEC and Big Ten country. www.ajc.com/sports/arkansas-in-the-big-543036.html
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