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Post by joshjones1 on Dec 27, 2010 8:53:06 GMT -8
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Post by joshjones1 on Dec 27, 2010 8:57:18 GMT -8
www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/dec/26/chargers-baffling-season-lurches-bitter-end/#“… These guys have underachieved all year. They’ve had uncharacteristic problems.”
If that sounds like an indictment of Turner, it is a charge that is unlikely to lead to a change. Chargers General Manager A.J. Smith is repeatedly and recently on record as describing his hire as a “brilliant” coach — Turner’s regular season record with the Chargers fairly sparkles at 40-23 — and their collegial rapport is in stark contrast to Smith’s dysfunctional relationship with Turner’s predecessor, Marty Schottenheimer.
Still, after four straight sluggish Septembers, the Chargers have to wonder whether there’s a correctable flaw in Turner’s formula. One former NFL executive has theorized that holding training camp at the team’s regular season facility instead of in a remote and more controlled environment may detract from the team’s preseason preparations. That’s a hard hypothesis to prove, but it certainly seems worth pondering
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Post by k5james on Dec 27, 2010 9:06:20 GMT -8
www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/dec/26/chargers-baffling-season-lurches-bitter-end/#“… These guys have underachieved all year. They’ve had uncharacteristic problems.”
If that sounds like an indictment of Turner, it is a charge that is unlikely to lead to a change. Chargers General Manager A.J. Smith is repeatedly and recently on record as describing his hire as a “brilliant” coach — Turner’s regular season record with the Chargers fairly sparkles at 40-23 — and their collegial rapport is in stark contrast to Smith’s dysfunctional relationship with Turner’s predecessor, Marty Schottenheimer.
Still, after four straight sluggish Septembers, the Chargers have to wonder whether there’s a correctable flaw in Turner’s formula. One former NFL executive has theorized that holding training camp at the team’s regular season facility instead of in a remote and more controlled environment may detract from the team’s preseason preparations. That’s a hard hypothesis to prove, but it certainly seems worth pondering I don't know, they tried doing it in Corona and look where that got them. The obvious answer is the staff needs to go. Seeing as that probably won't happen, a change at DC would probably be the best option. How about Singletary as DC?
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Post by k5james on Dec 27, 2010 9:07:21 GMT -8
Bleacher Report? Really? I give your comments on the situation more credibility than that waste of bytes...
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Post by joshjones1 on Dec 27, 2010 9:08:29 GMT -8
www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/dec/26/chargers-baffling-season-lurches-bitter-end/#“… These guys have underachieved all year. They’ve had uncharacteristic problems.”
If that sounds like an indictment of Turner, it is a charge that is unlikely to lead to a change. Chargers General Manager A.J. Smith is repeatedly and recently on record as describing his hire as a “brilliant” coach — Turner’s regular season record with the Chargers fairly sparkles at 40-23 — and their collegial rapport is in stark contrast to Smith’s dysfunctional relationship with Turner’s predecessor, Marty Schottenheimer.
Still, after four straight sluggish Septembers, the Chargers have to wonder whether there’s a correctable flaw in Turner’s formula. One former NFL executive has theorized that holding training camp at the team’s regular season facility instead of in a remote and more controlled environment may detract from the team’s preseason preparations. That’s a hard hypothesis to prove, but it certainly seems worth pondering I don't know, they tried doing it in Corona and look where that got them. The obvious answer is the staff needs to go. Seeing as that probably won't happen, a change at DC would probably be the best option. How about Singletary as DC? Corona? You mean, Carson?
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Post by joshjones1 on Dec 27, 2010 9:10:36 GMT -8
www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/dec/26/chargers-baffling-season-lurches-bitter-end/#“… These guys have underachieved all year. They’ve had uncharacteristic problems.”
If that sounds like an indictment of Turner, it is a charge that is unlikely to lead to a change. Chargers General Manager A.J. Smith is repeatedly and recently on record as describing his hire as a “brilliant” coach — Turner’s regular season record with the Chargers fairly sparkles at 40-23 — and their collegial rapport is in stark contrast to Smith’s dysfunctional relationship with Turner’s predecessor, Marty Schottenheimer.
Still, after four straight sluggish Septembers, the Chargers have to wonder whether there’s a correctable flaw in Turner’s formula. One former NFL executive has theorized that holding training camp at the team’s regular season facility instead of in a remote and more controlled environment may detract from the team’s preseason preparations. That’s a hard hypothesis to prove, but it certainly seems worth pondering I don't know, they tried doing it in Corona and look where that got them. The obvious answer is the staff needs to go. Seeing as that probably won't happen, a change at DC would probably be the best option. How about Singletary as DC? Hard to axe Rivera after the D finished #1 statistically. They don't need a screamer or a yeller as some often overexaggerate....just a good leader who knows how to prepare a team to win. Norv is not that guy. He's a good OC, and that is it. He is not respected enough.
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Post by k5james on Dec 27, 2010 9:10:39 GMT -8
Corona? You mean, Carson? Yeah, I was thinking that I need another beer after yesterday...
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Post by k5james on Dec 27, 2010 9:15:42 GMT -8
Hard to axe Rivera after the D finished #1 statistically. They don't need a screamer or a yeller as some often overexaggerate....just a good leader who knows how to prepare a team to win. Norv is not that guy. He's a good OC, and that is it. He is not respected enough. That #1 statistic is a mirage. That defense has looked just as inept as the rest of the team at times, that last TD yesterday as an example. How do you not get the defensive call out on time, in a situation like that? Agreed on your second point, but I think we can all agree that's not likely to happen.
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Post by joshjones1 on Dec 27, 2010 9:19:21 GMT -8
Hard to axe Rivera after the D finished #1 statistically. They don't need a screamer or a yeller as some often overexaggerate....just a good leader who knows how to prepare a team to win. Norv is not that guy. He's a good OC, and that is it. He is not respected enough. That #1 statistic is a mirage. That defense has looked just as inept as the rest of the team at times, that last TD yesterday as an example. How do you not get the defensive call out on time, in a situation like that? Agreed on your second point, but I think we can all agree that's not likely to happen. I agree, and I am not a huge Rivera fan. I prefer a more aggressive, attacking 3-4 like Phillips ran when he was here, then seemed to lose grasp of his last year or two in Dallas. Maybe we don't have the personnel to run it that way right now, I don't know on that. It just seems to me like we let our opponents dictate the pace and flow.
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Post by davdesid on Dec 27, 2010 14:17:44 GMT -8
Marty is two times the coach Norv is. He won the games his teams were expected to win in the regular season, they always played hard, they never quit. He put his players IN POSITION to win, thats his job. You can't blame him for Eric Parker muffing a punt that may have sealed the New England playoff game, and you can't blame him for McCree fumbling his interception (just go down to the ground, bro). He didn't miss Kaeding chip shots in the Jets game (Part I-2004). Norv Turner is a loser of a head coach, and unless AJ's ego has reached the heights of the Empire State Building, he should be history. Problem is, we have an excellent chance of AJ Smith (who I know will be retained) hiring another "Yes Man" to be his head coach. If Norv is fired, expect AJ to stay away from the previous succesful types that may want to be a larger voice in personnel matters. Marty was fired from his job after a 14-2 season because Spanos's dumb ass thought AJ was the man behind all the success. He was proven wrong. Marty wasn't perfect, but he knew how to get his players motivated and have them playing hard. What you said. This team will never get to a SB with Turner, and maybe they wouldn't have with Marty either. The problem is the Spanoses, and by firing Marty and hiring Turner they guaranteed a regression. Still, Turner might be able to keep this team hovering around the .500 mark, and to fire him would probably result in a decade of Hennings, Gilbrides, and Rileys... making the team a laughingstock as it was under those disasters. Smith would screw up the high draft picks, and if he didn't, the talent available would not want to play here. I don't know when Rivers' contract is up, but I wouldn't blame him if he would want out. He can't help but notice what happened with Brees, and realize that he'll never get a ring here.
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Post by traholder on Dec 27, 2010 18:31:21 GMT -8
I do think we lack talent at many place like OT (sorry guys but Mcniel now is just a mediocre talent for whatever reason), LG, DE, MLB, and Safety spots
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Post by azson on Dec 28, 2010 9:56:48 GMT -8
From today's TMQ: Sour Coach's Play of the Week No. 1: Cincinnati leading San Diego 20-13 -- the Bolts needing a victory to stave off elimination despite fabulous stats, Carson Palmer having his best game of the season with the T.Ocho sideshow out of the lineup -- the Bengals faced third-and-7 on their 41 with six minutes remaining. Palmer threw a 59-yard touchdown pass to backup receiver Jerome Simpson, and TMQ wrote the words "season over" for San Diego in his notebook. San Diego corner Antoine Cason was out of position at the snap and burned badly. Sportstalk has analyzed this play all wrong, placing the blame on Cason. Many touts have accused him of a busted coverage; on "Mike & Mike in the Morning," former NFL receiver Cris Carter said Cason must have been "tired" or lost focus. The Chargers' coaching staff was to blame! As Cincinnati approached the line of scrimmage, Bolts defensive coordinator Ron Rivera hadn't called the defense. And the home team was not in a hurry-up -- far from it, with a fourth-quarter lead, Palmer was milking the clock. Rivera did not radio in the defensive call to San Diego green-dot linebacker Kevin Burnett until the Bengals were starting their cadence. At the snap, Cason was looking back at Burnett, trying to get the defensive call. Blame this touchdown on the coaches! And blame the San Diego coaches twice because they weren't paying attention -- with their defense way out of position as Cincinnati was about to snap, coaches should have called timeout (San Diego had all three). From my own modest experience as a middle-school head coach, I can relate that you get 10 seconds, max, to decide on your call, because you must allow time for the call to go in and then be relayed to the players. Rivera hadn't made his call quickly enough. Plus he apparently didn't teach his defense a default call. Quarterbacks typically are coached: If you don't get the call or are confused, run a slant or a draw, staple plays that work from any formation. Middle linebackers typically are coached: If you don't get the call or are confused, then the call is Cover 2, every team's staple defense. The San Diego defense did not seem to have a default call to compensate for their coach's error. sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/101228_tuesday_morning_quarterback&sportCat=nfl
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Post by azson on Dec 28, 2010 10:46:47 GMT -8
Marty is two times the coach Norv is. He won the games his teams were expected to win in the regular season, they always played hard, they never quit. He put his players IN POSITION to win, thats his job. You can't blame him for Eric Parker muffing a punt that may have sealed the New England playoff game, and you can't blame him for McCree fumbling his interception (just go down to the ground, bro). He didn't miss Kaeding chip shots in the Jets game (Part I-2004). Norv Turner is a loser of a head coach, and unless AJ's ego has reached the heights of the Empire State Building, he should be history. Problem is, we have an excellent chance of AJ Smith (who I know will be retained) hiring another "Yes Man" to be his head coach. If Norv is fired, expect AJ to stay away from the previous succesful types that may want to be a larger voice in personnel matters. Marty was fired from his job after a 14-2 season because Spanos's dumb ass thought AJ was the man behind all the success. He was proven wrong. Marty wasn't perfect, but he knew how to get his players motivated and have them playing hard. JJ, I'll agree Marty is two times the coach Norv is. But re 04 v Jets, he ran 3 predictable runs up the middle prior to that Kaeding miss, on a wet, unpredictable field/turf. A Super Bowl coach goes for it there and doesn't rely on that "guaranteed" FG. It was that kind of playoff conservativism that kept Marty from ever reaching The Big Dance. I for one am glad he's gone, but Norv of course is not the answer.
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Post by joshjones1 on Dec 28, 2010 11:01:32 GMT -8
Marty is two times the coach Norv is. He won the games his teams were expected to win in the regular season, they always played hard, they never quit. He put his players IN POSITION to win, thats his job. You can't blame him for Eric Parker muffing a punt that may have sealed the New England playoff game, and you can't blame him for McCree fumbling his interception (just go down to the ground, bro). He didn't miss Kaeding chip shots in the Jets game (Part I-2004). Norv Turner is a loser of a head coach, and unless AJ's ego has reached the heights of the Empire State Building, he should be history. Problem is, we have an excellent chance of AJ Smith (who I know will be retained) hiring another "Yes Man" to be his head coach. If Norv is fired, expect AJ to stay away from the previous succesful types that may want to be a larger voice in personnel matters. Marty was fired from his job after a 14-2 season because Spanos's dumb ass thought AJ was the man behind all the success. He was proven wrong. Marty wasn't perfect, but he knew how to get his players motivated and have them playing hard. JJ, I'll agree Marty is two times the coach Norv is. But re 04 v Jets, he ran 3 predictable runs up the middle prior to that Kaeding miss, on a wet, unpredictable field/turf. A Super Bowl coach goes for it there and doesn't rely on that "guaranteed" FG. It was that kind of playoff conservativism that kept Marty from ever reaching The Big Dance. I for one am glad he's gone, but Norv of course is not the answer. And if we throw an INT there, then the fans say "We had a chip shot field goal!".......google Brian Sipe and Red Right 88 some time. It works both ways.
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Post by azson on Dec 28, 2010 11:18:17 GMT -8
JJ, I'll agree Marty is two times the coach Norv is. But re 04 v Jets, he ran 3 predictable runs up the middle prior to that Kaeding miss, on a wet, unpredictable field/turf. A Super Bowl coach goes for it there and doesn't rely on that "guaranteed" FG. It was that kind of playoff conservativism that kept Marty from ever reaching The Big Dance. I for one am glad he's gone, but Norv of course is not the answer. And if we throw an INT there, then the fans say "We had a chip shot field goal!".......google Brian Sipe and Red Right 88 some time. It works both ways. I hear ya - but the same run 3 plays in a row? At least give the D something different think about, run off-tackle or something. There was this decent guy named LT carrying the ball as I remember. And hey, if they did pull a "Sipe" at least you could say, "Hey, Marty went for it in the playoffs, something he'd never done before". After the 3rd exact same run I had a feeling that Marty was gonna cost us - and it did.
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Post by joshjones1 on Dec 28, 2010 13:10:16 GMT -8
True enough.
I am convinced AJ's drive and determination in the bull$#!+ contract extensions, bringing him back after more regression.......is so IF the Bolts get to the Bowl, or win it......he will be able to throw a big "F U...I told you so, I am King AJ!" to the fans and media.
You may think I am crazy, but Mr. Pink laundered shirt in the box is one egomanic son of a bitch. In his heart of hearts, he knows change is in order as the head coaching spot. Continuity just for the sake of continuity is bull$#!+. It's not like dumbass Bears fans that wanted Lovie Smith gone last season after not making the playoffs. Lovis has proven he can take a team (with no QB), to the Super Bowl. His players also follow him. THAT is solid continuity.
Smith will never be half the executive John Butler was.
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Post by traholder on Dec 28, 2010 15:39:19 GMT -8
I honestly feel we have less talent than the average fan thinks. Our MLBs are soft and inconsistent (Siler is ok down hill), our pass rush is inconsistent at best (yes I know we are up there in sacks but it seems lots of the sacks have come in blowouts), the De's are non existent, the guards and Mcniel have underachieved, and the safeties are below par, Oliver and Gregorry just suck and Weddle is average.
I think we should try to get Von Miller with the first pick, then we will have 2 seconds (cause of Cromartie trade) and need to have a RT taken there
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