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Post by sleepy on May 30, 2010 9:54:39 GMT -8
Ick. Still not sure how a drill-rig operator can be permitted without having contingencies for such disasters. But in the meantime, the calculus of Oil + Dispersent = This... www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/opinion/30shaw.html?ref=opinionJaque Cousteau's son (Michael?) also dove in last week and reported similar findings in an interview. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 30, 2010 10:20:09 GMT -8
Ick. Still not sure how a drill-rig operator can be permitted without having contingencies for such disasters. But in the meantime, the calculus of Oil + Dispersent = This... www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/opinion/30shaw.html?ref=opinionJaque Cousteau's son (Michael?) also dove in last week and reported similar findings in an interview. That's what many people are asking. The problem is that when there is a lot of money at stake, there will always be a way to entice government regulators to look the other way. Don't misunderstand; I am not so strong a libertarian that I want to do away with the FAA, FDA, etc. However, we need to be realistic. There will never be a perfect system. In this case, it appears that there were some colossal screw-ups. Didn't the feds give this rig a gold star shortly before the crude hit the fan? One head has rolled already, and there may be more. AzWm |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on May 30, 2010 18:07:47 GMT -8
Back when I was working in archaeology, I ran into someone who did underwater stuff as well as diving in various harbors to determine pollution levels. I talked to him a few days after he'd spent a weekend diving in Long Beach harbor and he was still suffering the effects of those dives.
Drill, Baby, Drill.
=Bob
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 30, 2010 18:37:07 GMT -8
Back when I was working in archaeology, I ran into someone who did underwater stuff as well as diving in various harbors to determine pollution levels. I talked to him a few days after he'd spent a weekend diving in Long Beach harbor and he was still suffering the effects of those dives. Drill, Baby, Drill. =Bob But we don't want to have to change our motto to "Walk, Baby, Walk."  I notice with approval that President Obama has confirmed that we cannot simply shut down all off-shore drilling. The country would suffer a huge blow just at the time when we are trying, without a lot of success, to stage an economic comeback. Like it or not, we need oil, and lots of it for many years to come. No one likes to see the kind of disaster that is unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico. I don't think we have any choice except to continue exploration here at home so we can keep a few of those billions of dollars that now go to some of the most unsavory regimes on Earth. Greater safeguards should be enacted. However, the environmentalists' wish that we shut down most drilling is simply impossible from several points of view. No doubt Obama will lose points with the Left, but he has no choice. AzWm |
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Post by Spud on May 31, 2010 14:42:28 GMT -8
Back when I was working in archaeology, I ran into someone who did underwater stuff as well as diving in various harbors to determine pollution levels. I talked to him a few days after he'd spent a weekend diving in Long Beach harbor and he was still suffering the effects of those dives. Drill, Baby, Drill. =Bob But we don't want to have to change our motto to "Walk, Baby, Walk." I notice with approval that President Obama has confirmed that we cannot simply shut down all off-shore drilling. The country would suffer a huge blow just at the time when we are trying, without a lot of success, to stage an economic comeback. Like it or not, we need oil, and lots of it for many years to come. No one likes to see the kind of disaster that is unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico. I don't think we have any choice except to continue exploration here at home so we can keep a few of those billions of dollars that now go to some of the most unsavory regimes on Earth. Greater safeguards should be enacted. However, the environmentalists' wish that we shut down most drilling is simply impossible from several points of view. No doubt Obama will lose points with the Left, but he has no choice. AzWm Most of the wacko environmentalists wouldn't know what to do if the oil got shut off. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on May 31, 2010 14:51:32 GMT -8
But we don't want to have to change our motto to "Walk, Baby, Walk." I notice with approval that President Obama has confirmed that we cannot simply shut down all off-shore drilling. The country would suffer a huge blow just at the time when we are trying, without a lot of success, to stage an economic comeback. Like it or not, we need oil, and lots of it for many years to come. No one likes to see the kind of disaster that is unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico. I don't think we have any choice except to continue exploration here at home so we can keep a few of those billions of dollars that now go to some of the most unsavory regimes on Earth. Greater safeguards should be enacted. However, the environmentalists' wish that we shut down most drilling is simply impossible from several points of view. No doubt Obama will lose points with the Left, but he has no choice. AzWm Most of the wacko environmentalists wouldn't know what to do if the oil got shut off. You'd be surprised what "wacko environmentalists" know. That is, if you'd ever bothered to get to know any of them. =Bob |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on May 31, 2010 16:53:49 GMT -8
Back when I was working in archaeology, I ran into someone who did underwater stuff as well as diving in various harbors to determine pollution levels. I talked to him a few days after he'd spent a weekend diving in Long Beach harbor and he was still suffering the effects of those dives. Drill, Baby, Drill. =Bob But we don't want to have to change our motto to "Walk, Baby, Walk." I notice with approval that President Obama has confirmed that we cannot simply shut down all off-shore drilling. The country would suffer a huge blow just at the time when we are trying, without a lot of success, to stage an economic comeback. Like it or not, we need oil, and lots of it for many years to come. No one likes to see the kind of disaster that is unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico. I don't think we have any choice except to continue exploration here at home so we can keep a few of those billions of dollars that now go to some of the most unsavory regimes on Earth. Greater safeguards should be enacted. However, the environmentalists' wish that we shut down most drilling is simply impossible from several points of view. No doubt Obama will lose points with the Left, but he has no choice. AzWm "Walk baby walk" assumes there is only two ways to approach the problem and I really don't think that's the case. If we assume only a duality of solutions, oil wins out, but it shouldn't. Having written that, it won't just be Obama deciding to shut things down. This is occurring in the south, which is hardly a bastion of liberalism but is a bastion of tourism and I can't see anyone on the left or the right being particularly happy that their summer tourism may be affected by this oil spill. Clearly changes have to be made, starting with the bureaucracy ending the cozy relationship they've had with those they are supposed to be regulating. In great part, William, what that means is the right-wing has to become a modifying agent rather than just claiming that everything those of us on my side are fellow travelers of some sort of Commie/One World plot. I was taught in a couple of my poli sci seminars that by the 3rd generation of any bureaucracy (say, around 30 years), the regulators identify more with those they are regulating than they do with the public good. We see it in every policy decision made in this country, from the Pentagon and defense industry influencing Congressional votes to regulatory agencies who are snorting coke and sleeping with lobbyists. Until that changes, nothing will change. =Bob |
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on May 31, 2010 18:35:31 GMT -8
Back when I was working in archaeology, I ran into someone who did underwater stuff as well as diving in various harbors to determine pollution levels. I talked to him a few days after he'd spent a weekend diving in Long Beach harbor and he was still suffering the effects of those dives. Drill, Baby, Drill. =Bob But we don't want to have to change our motto to "Walk, Baby, Walk." I notice with approval that President Obama has confirmed that we cannot simply shut down all off-shore drilling. The country would suffer a huge blow just at the time when we are trying, without a lot of success, to stage an economic comeback. Like it or not, we need oil, and lots of it for many years to come. No one likes to see the kind of disaster that is unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico. I don't think we have any choice except to continue exploration here at home so we can keep a few of those billions of dollars that now go to some of the most unsavory regimes on Earth. Greater safeguards should be enacted. However, the environmentalists' wish that we shut down most drilling is simply impossible from several points of view. No doubt Obama will lose points with the Left, but he has no choice. AzWm Better safeguards and regulations are needed, oil is here whether some people like it or not. Although I really wish we didn't rely on oil so much (but things won't change any time soon), would also be nice to be energy independent. |
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I notice with approval that President Obama has confirmed that we cannot simply shut down all off-shore drilling. The country would suffer a huge blow just at the time when we are trying, without a lot of success, to stage an economic comeback.
