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Post by uwphoto on Feb 13, 2024 11:24:27 GMT -8
It's not. Kennedy has no chance, he's just splitting the vote for the candidate who doesn't win. Let's not lose our minds. There are a lot of people in this country who do not want to vote for a Democrat or a Republican. Look at the war in Gaza, and the number of congressmen on both sides of the aisle that support funding genocide in Gaza. Only a handful of Democrats will vote against the newest Israel funding proposal. A vote for Biden is a vote for genocide. Then there are the Democrats and Republicans who don't feel like their candidate is a legitimate choice (Trump's legal issues/January's 6th Insurrection/Ukraine, Biden's age and cognitive issues). Then you look at the percentages of independent voters (about 49% of registered voters), and it's very clear that now more then ever, an independent or third-party candidate has a chance to win. "A vote for Biden is a vote for genocide". Pretty simplistic worldview I would say. So, vote for trump? So, is Biden pushing genocide in Ukraine? Seems like the Russians are guilty of genocide there. Of course RFK jr. blames the West and would like to cut a deal with Putin. Know what the Russians would do (and always have done) if they go in there with free reign? My Dad taught Russian to the officers at the Army Language School in Monterey back in the early 60's.... he knew all about the Russians. See Berlin after ww2. ps. RFK jr's family thinks he's a nutball and don't want him to run. See Paul Gosar's family for similar.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Feb 13, 2024 11:32:01 GMT -8
Do you think it's about the economy...world affairs...or conservative policies vs liberal ones?...when you wonder why so many are backing a fraudster, criminal, insurrectionist who could give a darn about democracy...a person who does not have a clue...nor cares about the running of government...what do you think that is about?...it ain't about the fittest or best qualified to run the nation...if it was...Mitt Romney would win the nomination...Trump is telling whites what they want to hear...he is living up to their expectations...and they are rewarding him for doing so...despite his transgressions..... It will be interesting to see what the percentages will be for Biden/Trump/Kennedy come election time Currently Trump at 41%, Biden 33%, Kennedy 18% in the latest Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll. That's with minimal press time for Kennedy, and no debates thus far. It really is a three horse race. To me it looks like Trump wins by default...it's not because most Americans prefer him...it's because Dem Party/Biden have blown an uncontested fast-break slam dunk...bounced it straight off the back of the rim...into the stands...now he's trying to call a time out...too darn late...support for Israel's genocide has turned off young votes...Black voter...Hispanic voters...Asian voters...Muslim voters...and moral voters...voters who believe in civil rights, justice. life, liberty and self-determination...those Black, Hispanic, Asian and Muslims know first-hand about injustice, oppression, discrimination and prejudice...not likely to look the other way when it occurs...most see Israel as the oppressive/racist cop with its knee on Palestinian's neck...innocent children crying out for help...can't breathe with all the two-thousand pound bombs raining down...and Biden/Dem congressmen/senators as the cops standing behind it...assisting...keeping the crowd back...America deserves what it gets with Trump...if Biden pulls it off...I'll give him his props.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Feb 13, 2024 11:33:21 GMT -8
There are a lot of people in this country who do not want to vote for a Democrat or a Republican. Look at the war in Gaza, and the number of congressmen on both sides of the aisle that support funding genocide in Gaza. Only a handful of Democrats will vote against the newest Israel funding proposal. A vote for Biden is a vote for genocide. Then there are the Democrats and Republicans who don't feel like their candidate is a legitimate choice (Trump's legal issues/January's 6th Insurrection/Ukraine, Biden's age and cognitive issues). Then you look at the percentages of independent voters (about 49% of registered voters), and it's very clear that now more then ever, an independent or third-party candidate has a chance to win. "A vote for Biden is a vote for genocide". Pretty simplistic worldview I would say. So, vote for trump? So, is Biden pushing genocide in Ukraine? Seems like the Russians are guilty of genocide there. Of course RFK jr. blames the West and would like to cut a deal with Putin. Know what the Russians would do (and always have done) if they go in there with free reign? My Dad taught Russian to the officers at the Army Language School in Monterey back in the early 60's.... he knew all about the Russians. See Berlin after ww2. ps. RFK jr's family thinks he's a nutball and don't want him to run. See Paul Gosar's family for similar. A vote Trump is a vote for white supremacists to dismantle democracy.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 13, 2024 11:33:23 GMT -8
It will be interesting to see what the percentages will be for Biden/Trump/Kennedy come election time Currently Trump at 41%, Biden 33%, Kennedy 18% in the latest Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll. That's with minimal press time for Kennedy, and no debates thus far. It really is a three horse race. To me it looks like Trump wins by default...it's not because most Americans prefer him...it's because Dem Party/Biden have blown an uncontested fast-break slam dunk...bounced it straight off the back of the rim...into the stands...now he's trying to call a time out...too darn late...support for Israel's genocide has turned off young votes...Black voter...Hispanic voters...Asian voters...Muslim voters...and moral voters...voters who believe in civil rights, justice. life, liberty and self-determination...those Black, Hispanic, Asian and Muslims know first-hand about injustice, oppression, discrimination and prejudice...not likely to look the other way when it occurs...most see Israel as the oppressive/racist cop with its knee on Palestinian's neck...innocent children crying out for help...can't breathe with all the two-thousand pound bombs raining down...and Biden/Dem congressmen/senators as the cops standing behind it...assisting...keeping the crowd back...America deserves what it gets with Trump...if Biden pulls it off...I'll give him his props. No.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Feb 13, 2024 11:52:59 GMT -8
To me it looks like Trump wins by default...it's not because most Americans prefer him...it's because Dem Party/Biden have blown an uncontested fast-break slam dunk...bounced it straight off the back of the rim...into the stands...now he's trying to call a time out...too darn late...support for Israel's genocide has turned off young votes...Black voter...Hispanic voters...Asian voters...Muslim voters...and moral voters...voters who believe in civil rights, justice. life, liberty and self-determination...those Black, Hispanic, Asian and Muslims know first-hand about injustice, oppression, discrimination and prejudice...not likely to look the other way when it occurs...most see Israel as the oppressive/racist cop with its knee on Palestinian's neck...innocent children crying out for help...can't breathe with all the two-thousand pound bombs raining down...and Biden/Dem congressmen/senators as the cops standing behind it...assisting...keeping the crowd back...America deserves what it gets with Trump...if Biden pulls it off...I'll give him his props. No. “ Atrocities committed against Black folks in the U.S. and Palestinians in Gaza have always belonged to the same system of violence.” "Even Black faith leaders critical of Mr. Biden’s handling of Gaza worry that the issue might drain their community’s support for him. If Black Democrats stay home, that could help Donald Trump, the likely Republican nominee, to win the presidency." "Mr. Sellers said he thought the war in Gaza could affect Mr. Biden’s chances in some states, like Michigan." "During an Oct. 14 sermon, he drew parallels between Palestinians caught in a humanitarian crisis and Black people in America.: "Mr. Simmons said when he speaks to African Americans weighing their response to the conflict, he poses the same question he did during the unrest in Ferguson: “ Are you on the side of the oppressed or not?" www.nytimes.com/2024/02/06/us/african-americans-palestinian.html
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Feb 13, 2024 11:57:21 GMT -8
“ Atrocities committed against Black folks in the U.S. and Palestinians in Gaza have always belonged to the same system of violence.” "Even Black faith leaders critical of Mr. Biden’s handling of Gaza worry that the issue might drain their community’s support for him. If Black Democrats stay home, that could help Donald Trump, the likely Republican nominee, to win the presidency." "Mr. Sellers said he thought the war in Gaza could affect Mr. Biden’s chances in some states, like Michigan." "During an Oct. 14 sermon, he drew parallels between Palestinians caught in a humanitarian crisis and Black people in America.: "Mr. Simmons said when he speaks to African Americans weighing their response to the conflict, he poses the same question he did during the unrest in Ferguson: “ Are you on the side of the oppressed or not?" www.nytimes.com/2024/02/06/us/african-americans-palestinian.htmlConvince the most loyal and 25 percent of those who staunchly support Dems...the ones who pick the nominee...and the ones who won the last three elections for the party that Biden is not complicit with oppression...or not.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 13, 2024 12:04:29 GMT -8
“ Atrocities committed against Black folks in the U.S. and Palestinians in Gaza have always belonged to the same system of violence.” "Even Black faith leaders critical of Mr. Biden’s handling of Gaza worry that the issue might drain their community’s support for him. If Black Democrats stay home, that could help Donald Trump, the likely Republican nominee, to win the presidency." "Mr. Sellers said he thought the war in Gaza could affect Mr. Biden’s chances in some states, like Michigan." "During an Oct. 14 sermon, he drew parallels between Palestinians caught in a humanitarian crisis and Black people in America.: "Mr. Simmons said when he speaks to African Americans weighing their response to the conflict, he poses the same question he did during the unrest in Ferguson: “ Are you on the side of the oppressed or not?" www.nytimes.com/2024/02/06/us/african-americans-palestinian.htmlVotes are cast in November.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Feb 13, 2024 12:14:49 GMT -8
“ Atrocities committed against Black folks in the U.S. and Palestinians in Gaza have always belonged to the same system of violence.” "Even Black faith leaders critical of Mr. Biden’s handling of Gaza worry that the issue might drain their community’s support for him. If Black Democrats stay home, that could help Donald Trump, the likely Republican nominee, to win the presidency." "Mr. Sellers said he thought the war in Gaza could affect Mr. Biden’s chances in some states, like Michigan." "During an Oct. 14 sermon, he drew parallels between Palestinians caught in a humanitarian crisis and Black people in America.: "Mr. Simmons said when he speaks to African Americans weighing their response to the conflict, he poses the same question he did during the unrest in Ferguson: “ Are you on the side of the oppressed or not?" www.nytimes.com/2024/02/06/us/african-americans-palestinian.htmlVotes are cast in November. So, I infer you think that somewhere between now and then folks are going to be persuaded by rappers, advertisements, "Black" leaders, fear of losing a democracy...that doesn't serve them well...to save America from Trump?...all I can say is ask uwphoto's Black friend about that....
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 13, 2024 12:23:52 GMT -8
Votes are cast in November. So, I infer you think that somewhere between now and then folks are going to be persuaded by rappers, advertisements, "Black" leaders, fear of losing a democracy...that doesn't serve them well...to save America from Trump?...all I can say is ask uwphoto's Black friend about that.... No, I think assuming voters are going to be tuned out based on a conflict in the Middle East nine months from now is presumptuous, especially when the other candidate is likely going to be on trial.
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Post by sdsuball on Feb 13, 2024 12:43:12 GMT -8
So, I infer you think that somewhere between now and then folks are going to be persuaded by rappers, advertisements, "Black" leaders, fear of losing a democracy...that doesn't serve them well...to save America from Trump?...all I can say is ask uwphoto's Black friend about that.... No, I think assuming voters are going to be tuned out based on a conflict in the Middle East nine months from now is presumptuous, especially when the other candidate is likely going to be on trial. One of the other candidates. Dismissing a third party candidate who has 18% of the vote, and is leading in voters under 40, is naive. See this is why the Democratic party doesn't work. They thought, oh all we have to do is just run out Biden again. Trump is such a horrible candidate that everyone will vote for Biden because he's the safer candidate. Very similar to what the Democratic party did in 2016 with Clinton - and that's why Trump won. You know, there are twice as many independent voters as their are Democrats. Oh and not only that, but Trump is actually ahead right now of Biden. Ahead in a the head to head polls, as well as the three way polls that include Kennedy.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 13, 2024 12:55:47 GMT -8
No, I think assuming voters are going to be tuned out based on a conflict in the Middle East nine months from now is presumptuous, especially when the other candidate is likely going to be on trial. One of the other candidates. Dismissing a third party candidate who has 18% of the vote, and is leading in voters under 40, is naive. See this is why the Democratic party doesn't work. They thought, oh all we have to do is just run out Biden again. Trump is such a horrible candidate that everyone will vote for Biden because he's the safer candidate. Very similar to what the Democratic party did in 2016 with Clinton - and that's why Trump won. You know, there are twice as many independent voters as their are Democrats. Oh and not only that, but Trump is actually ahead right now of Biden. Ahead in a the head to head polls, as well as the three way polls that include Kennedy. Polls in February don't mean anything. Think I've said this a dozen times. Whatever weird fascination you have with anti-Semite RFK....good luck with that. Keep in mind who he's polling against. He has zero chance to win the election, unless someone dies first.
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Post by sdsuball on Feb 13, 2024 12:56:46 GMT -8
There are a lot of people in this country who do not want to vote for a Democrat or a Republican. Look at the war in Gaza, and the number of congressmen on both sides of the aisle that support funding genocide in Gaza. Only a handful of Democrats will vote against the newest Israel funding proposal. A vote for Biden is a vote for genocide. Then there are the Democrats and Republicans who don't feel like their candidate is a legitimate choice (Trump's legal issues/January's 6th Insurrection/Ukraine, Biden's age and cognitive issues). Then you look at the percentages of independent voters (about 49% of registered voters), and it's very clear that now more then ever, an independent or third-party candidate has a chance to win. Not in our lifetime. If you polled people a couple decades ago on the chances of a celebrity winning the presidency, who had never held public office before, what would be the odds?
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 13, 2024 13:03:09 GMT -8
If you polled people a couple decades ago on the chances of a celebrity winning the presidency, who had never held public office before, what would be the odds? A worthless exercise in hypotheticals.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Feb 13, 2024 13:13:49 GMT -8
So, I infer you think that somewhere between now and then folks are going to be persuaded by rappers, advertisements, "Black" leaders, fear of losing a democracy...that doesn't serve them well...to save America from Trump?...all I can say is ask uwphoto's Black friend about that.... No, I think assuming voters are going to be tuned out based on a conflict in the Middle East nine months from now is presumptuous, especially when the other candidate is likely going to be on trial. Dukakis Said to Ignore Black Vote"Black politicians in New Jersey said the impression that those tactics left was that the black vote would always be there for Democratic candidates who could always energize it with a song. Mr. James complained that the Dukakis campaign has taken the black vote for granted while chasing the so-called Reagan [Israeli] Democrats, who apparently have not been persuaded to come home, if the polls are accurate." "He said the Dukakis campaign was afraid an appearance by the candidate with Mr. Jackson would give the Republicans another opportunity ''to brand him as a liberal." "If the Presidential campaign had shown some confidence and h ad worked harder to organize the urban vote, we could have pulled it off." www.nytimes.com/1988/10/30/nyregion/dukakis-said-to-ignore-black-vote.htmlRemember this election...Dukakis won the nomination...then disregarded/disrespected Black folks wishes/requests...took them for granted...I mean "where else they gonna go?"...and lost his backside to Bush...because Blacks did not vote...how far was that from the November election?
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Post by uwphoto on Feb 13, 2024 14:01:28 GMT -8
No, I think assuming voters are going to be tuned out based on a conflict in the Middle East nine months from now is presumptuous, especially when the other candidate is likely going to be on trial. Dukakis Said to Ignore Black Vote"Black politicians in New Jersey said the impression that those tactics left was that the black vote would always be there for Democratic candidates who could always energize it with a song. Mr. James complained that the Dukakis campaign has taken the black vote for granted while chasing the so-called Reagan [Israeli] Democrats, who apparently have not been persuaded to come home, if the polls are accurate." "He said the Dukakis campaign was afraid an appearance by the candidate with Mr. Jackson would give the Republicans another opportunity ''to brand him as a liberal." "If the Presidential campaign had shown some confidence and h ad worked harder to organize the urban vote, we could have pulled it off." www.nytimes.com/1988/10/30/nyregion/dukakis-said-to-ignore-black-vote.htmlRemember this election...Dukakis won the nomination...then disregarded/disrespected Black folks wishes/requests...took them for granted...I mean "where else they gonna go?"...and lost his backside to Bush...because Blacks did not vote...how far was that from the November election? Well, maybe black people can teach America a lesson and vote for trump. Then he can yell out "where's my black"..like he did at a rally a few years ago.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Feb 13, 2024 14:27:48 GMT -8
Dukakis Said to Ignore Black Vote"Black politicians in New Jersey said the impression that those tactics left was that the black vote would always be there for Democratic candidates who could always energize it with a song. Mr. James complained that the Dukakis campaign has taken the black vote for granted while chasing the so-called Reagan [Israeli] Democrats, who apparently have not been persuaded to come home, if the polls are accurate." "He said the Dukakis campaign was afraid an appearance by the candidate with Mr. Jackson would give the Republicans another opportunity ''to brand him as a liberal." "If the Presidential campaign had shown some confidence and h ad worked harder to organize the urban vote, we could have pulled it off." www.nytimes.com/1988/10/30/nyregion/dukakis-said-to-ignore-black-vote.htmlRemember this election...Dukakis won the nomination...then disregarded/disrespected Black folks wishes/requests...took them for granted...I mean "where else they gonna go?"...and lost his backside to Bush...because Blacks did not vote...how far was that from the November election? Well, maybe black people can teach America a lesson and vote for trump. Then he can yell out "where's my black"..like he did at a rally a few years ago. I doubt they vote for a racist...a racist party...who support apartheid/genocide...they just ain't gonna vote...they ain't saving America from itself again...they were promised last election if they did...that Joe would have their backs...what happened?...NO George Floyd Bill...NO student loan bill...NO voting rights...NO realization of campaign promises...so...NO Black enthusiasm...they ain't getting anything out of their time, money and effort...there's the reality of that...so this go round...it's a white people's election...who white people want to lead this nation...who white people decide America's image/reputation to be...won't be able to say it's Black people/minority's fault....
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Post by sdsuball on Feb 13, 2024 15:03:55 GMT -8
Well, maybe black people can teach America a lesson and vote for trump. Then he can yell out "where's my black"..like he did at a rally a few years ago. I doubt they vote for a racist...a racist party...who support apartheid/genocide...they just ain't gonna vote...they ain't saving America from itself again...they were promised last election if they did...that Joe would have their backs...what happened?...NO George Floyd Bill...NO student loan bill...NO voting rights...NO realization of campaign promises...so...NO Black enthusiasm...they ain't getting anything out of their time, money and effort...there's the reality of that...so this go round...it's a white people's election...who white people want to lead this nation...who white people decide America's image/reputation to be...won't be able to say it's Black people/minority's fault.... Biden did try to forgive up to $20,000 in student loans by executive order. It was deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. Biden did make Juneteenth a federal holiday. The Inflation Reduction Act provided a $738B investment into climate change, and lowers pharmaceutical drug prices. What would a George Floyd bill looked like? What would a voting rights bill looked like? Look, I'm not on the Biden train because of Gaza, and because he should only be a one-term president (like he promised). But he still has done some good things while in office, like those things that I've highlighted.
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Post by uwphoto on Feb 13, 2024 16:18:37 GMT -8
Well, let's just say the temperature is off the charts these days.... and it's gonna get worse. Biden is between a rock and a hard place regarding Israel for sure and Ukraine maybe just slightly less. Hamas knew what the Israel response to October 7 would be, just like any person who is educated and knows global politics and world history is not surprised. Biden causing genocide is just a ridiculous statement. If we pulled yesterday, Israel would still do what they are doing. But its everything, people hating on other people, social media etc. Iv'e never seen it this bad. For just a snippet of what things were like in the early 1980's for example, I have a link for you. Again, I virtually never post links here, and I have been on the Poli Board for 20 years at least. But here it is. The song is ridiculous and the band is a bit absurd, but there is a vibe here that is forever gone I'm afraid. This is before hate radio started in about 1986, and much of politics was considered almost a joke and not taken that seriously. Can you imagine this today? www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTza-H-T5nY
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Post by sdsuball on Feb 13, 2024 19:47:53 GMT -8
Well, let's just say the temperature is off the charts these days.... and it's gonna get worse. Biden is between a rock and a hard place regarding Israel for sure and Ukraine maybe just slightly less. Hamas knew what the Israel response to October 7 would be, just like any person who is educated and knows global politics and world history is not surprised. Biden causing genocide is just a ridiculous statement. If we pulled yesterday, Israel would still do what they are doing. But its everything, people hating on other people, social media etc. Iv'e never seen it this bad. For just a snippet of what things were like in the early 1980's for example, I have a link for you. Again, I virtually never post links here, and I have been on the Poli Board for 20 years at least. But here it is. The song is ridiculous and the band is a bit absurd, but there is a vibe here that is forever gone I'm afraid. This is before hate radio started in about 1986, and much of politics was considered almost a joke and not taken that seriously. Can you imagine this today? www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTza-H-T5nY Okay but the conflict in Gaza has been going since October. The military funding bill in the Senate, that gives 14B to Israel to blow up more houses (Israel has already blown up 70% PERCENT of the homes and apartment buildings in Gaza), 14B to shoot more mothers and children in the street. That bill passed 70-29 in the Senate today. 70 congressmen today voted for genocide. Only 3 Democrats voted against the bill - Peter Welch, Bernie Sanders, and Jeff Merkley. I understand not blaming Biden and our congressmen for what Israel has done with aid money that we promised them before they started killing civilians. We have been (by far) the largest financial supporter of Israel since Israel's creation after WWII. But those senators voted for genocide - today. If Biden signs that bill into law, that's signing genocide into law. Unequivocally, there is no other way to view it. Intentionally starving the Palestinian people by denying them international aid is inhumane and immoral. The Democratic party needs a wakeup call. Right now we are Italy and Israel is Axis Germany in WWII. What do you think Israel is going to do with the Palestinians? We are what, a few months away from concentration camps? Israel is eager to develop the rest of Gaza to complete their colonization of the Gaza strip. They will have to put the Palestinians somewhere. 70% of their homes have been destroyed...
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 13, 2024 19:57:52 GMT -8
Well, let's just say the temperature is off the charts these days.... and it's gonna get worse. Biden is between a rock and a hard place regarding Israel for sure and Ukraine maybe just slightly less. Hamas knew what the Israel response to October 7 would be, just like any person who is educated and knows global politics and world history is not surprised. Biden causing genocide is just a ridiculous statement. If we pulled yesterday, Israel would still do what they are doing. But its everything, people hating on other people, social media etc. Iv'e never seen it this bad. For just a snippet of what things were like in the early 1980's for example, I have a link for you. Again, I virtually never post links here, and I have been on the Poli Board for 20 years at least. But here it is. The song is ridiculous and the band is a bit absurd, but there is a vibe here that is forever gone I'm afraid. This is before hate radio started in about 1986, and much of politics was considered almost a joke and not taken that seriously. Can you imagine this today? www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTza-H-T5nY Okay but the conflict in Gaza has been going since October. The military funding bill in the Senate, that gives 14B to Israel to blow up more houses (Israel has already blown up 70% PERCENT of the homes and apartment buildings in Gaza), 14B to shoot more mothers and children in the street. That bill passed 70-29 in the Senate today. 70 congressmen today voted for genocide. Only 3 Democrats voted against the bill - Peter Welch, Bernie Sanders, and Jeff Merkley. I understand not blaming Biden and our congressmen for what Israel has done with aid money that we promised them before they started killing civilians. We have been (by far) the largest financial supporter of Israel since Israel's creation after WWII. But those senators voted for genocide - today. If Biden signs that bill into law, that's signing genocide into law. Unequivocally, there is no other way to view it. Intentionally starving the Palestinian people by denying them international aid is inhumane and immoral. The Democratic party needs a wakeup call. Right now we are Italy and Israel is Axis Germany in WWII. What do you think Israel is going to do with the Palestinians? We are what, a few months away from concentration camps? Israel is eager to develop the rest of Gaza to complete their colonization of the Gaza strip. They will have to put the Palestinians somewhere. 70% of their homes have been destroyed... You could make this same exact argument, except replace the word "Israel" with "Ukraine" and "Democrat" with "Republican."
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