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Post by aztecryan on Feb 9, 2023 9:44:43 GMT -8
Six years.
Wow.
Great job by the front office. I guess the coffers are still flowing.
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Post by Den60 on Feb 9, 2023 10:48:33 GMT -8
Contract until he is in his 40s, but he does make pitching look effortless. I love what the Padres are doing.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 9, 2023 10:51:32 GMT -8
Contract until he is in his 40s, but he does make pitching look effortless. I love what the Padres are doing. They went longer because it lowers his tax number and gives the team more financial flexibility to add pieces. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Feb 9, 2023 19:46:36 GMT -8
I'm assuming the contract is guaranteed, so that means they'll be paying him a year or two after he's either retired or no longer effective.
That means less money at that point for the (then) current roster.
I like this signing for now (I love Darvish as a pitcvher), but 5 or 6 years from now it's going to hurt. I don't see how the franchise doesn't come crashing down, crash and burn, when all these extended contracts come back to roost.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 9, 2023 19:55:14 GMT -8
I'm assuming the contract is guaranteed, so that means they'll be paying him a year or two after he's either retired or no longer effective. That means less money at that point for the (then) current roster. I like this signing for now (I love Darvish as a pitcvher), but 5 or 6 years from now it's going to hurt. I don't see how the franchise doesn't come crashing down, crash and burn, when all these extended contracts come back to roost. All Major League Baseball contracts are guaranteed. The contract is front-loaded, so after 2023, it's a 5/78 deal. Considering what the current market trends are with mid-tier starters getting $18-20M guaranteed annually, it's a more than solid structure. He'd be easily tradable with a low tax hit after the first two years, coming off arguably the best year of his career. You don't see how the franchise comes crashing down? Why would it? How many times are you going to go down this road? |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Feb 9, 2023 19:58:04 GMT -8
I'm assuming the contract is guaranteed, so that means they'll be paying him a year or two after he's either retired or no longer effective. That means less money at that point for the (then) current roster. I like this signing for now (I love Darvish as a pitcvher), but 5 or 6 years from now it's going to hurt. I don't see how the franchise doesn't come crashing down, crash and burn, when all these extended contracts come back to roost. All Major League Baseball contracts are guaranteed. The contract is front-loaded, so after 2023, it's a 5/78 deal. Considering what the current market trends are with mid-tier starters getting $18-20M guaranteed annually, it's a more than solid structure. You don't see how the franchise comes crashing down? Why would it? Darvish, Soto, Machado (assuming the last two get extended) - all these contracts will have significant payouts after those guys are either retired or not effective enough to start anymore. Even at lower back end amounts that's going to add up to a fairly large amount which the team will NOT have available for then current players who CAN produce. |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 9, 2023 20:01:49 GMT -8
All Major League Baseball contracts are guaranteed. The contract is front-loaded, so after 2023, it's a 5/78 deal. Considering what the current market trends are with mid-tier starters getting $18-20M guaranteed annually, it's a more than solid structure. You don't see how the franchise comes crashing down? Why would it? Darvish, Soto, Machado (assuming the last two get extended) - all these contracts will have significant payouts after those guys are either retired or not effective enough to start anymore. Even at lower back end amounts that's going to add up to a fairly large amount which the team will NOT have available for then current players who CAN produce. Soto is 24. He's one of those international signings you didn't know was a thing, along with the best player on the roster in Tatis. Did you think he was 34 or something? You sign players to longer deals with lower annual salaries to reduce the hit on the CBT - All deals are calculated the same way under the new CBA. This SAVES the Padres $3.5M upfront with Darvish. I'll worry about what happens seven years from now in seven years. There will be: - A new CBA - Additional revenue - Increased attendance - Completely different salary structures - Multiple ways to continue running serviceable and competitive payrolls Your negativity is destroying your ability to enjoy the process. This isn't the Moorad era anymore. I can't imagine how upset you're going to be when they make their run at Shohei Ohtani next winter. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Feb 10, 2023 1:19:50 GMT -8
Darvish, Soto, Machado (assuming the last two get extended) - all these contracts will have significant payouts after those guys are either retired or not effective enough to start anymore. Even at lower back end amounts that's going to add up to a fairly large amount which the team will NOT have available for then current players who CAN produce. Soto is 24. He's one of those international signings you didn't know was a thing, along with the best player on the roster in Tatis. Did you think he was 34 or something? You sign players to longer deals with lower annual salaries to reduce the hit on the CBT - All deals are calculated the same way under the new CBA. This SAVES the Padres $3.5M upfront with Darvish. I'll worry about what happens seven years from now in seven years. There will be: - A new CBA - Additional revenue - Increased attendance - Completely different salary structures - Multiple ways to continue running serviceable and competitive payrolls Your negativity is destroying your ability to enjoy the process. This isn't the Moorad era anymore. I can't imagine how upset you're going to be when they make their run at Shohei Ohtani next winter. I'm just not willing to sacrifice the future. How many winning seasons have the Padres had in their entire existence? Far fewer than their losing seasons. If they can do this without sacrificing the future, I'm all in. But this just seems like credit card spending. Eventually you have to pay the bills, and if you've created more debt than you can pay you have to sell off some assets. |
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 10, 2023 6:31:46 GMT -8
Soto is 24. He's one of those international signings you didn't know was a thing, along with the best player on the roster in Tatis. Did you think he was 34 or something? You sign players to longer deals with lower annual salaries to reduce the hit on the CBT - All deals are calculated the same way under the new CBA. This SAVES the Padres $3.5M upfront with Darvish. I'll worry about what happens seven years from now in seven years. There will be: - A new CBA - Additional revenue - Increased attendance - Completely different salary structures - Multiple ways to continue running serviceable and competitive payrolls Your negativity is destroying your ability to enjoy the process. This isn't the Moorad era anymore. I can't imagine how upset you're going to be when they make their run at Shohei Ohtani next winter. I'm just not willing to sacrifice the future. How many winning seasons have the Padres had in their entire existence? Far fewer than their losing seasons. If they can do this without sacrificing the future, I'm all in. But this just seems like credit card spending. Eventually you have to pay the bills, and if you've created more debt than you can pay you have to sell off some assets. I'm in the camp of: Whatever it takes to get a World Series Championship to San Diego. Never, has been too long. |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 10, 2023 8:21:21 GMT -8
Soto is 24. He's one of those international signings you didn't know was a thing, along with the best player on the roster in Tatis. Did you think he was 34 or something? You sign players to longer deals with lower annual salaries to reduce the hit on the CBT - All deals are calculated the same way under the new CBA. This SAVES the Padres $3.5M upfront with Darvish. I'll worry about what happens seven years from now in seven years. There will be: - A new CBA - Additional revenue - Increased attendance - Completely different salary structures - Multiple ways to continue running serviceable and competitive payrolls Your negativity is destroying your ability to enjoy the process. This isn't the Moorad era anymore. I can't imagine how upset you're going to be when they make their run at Shohei Ohtani next winter. I'm just not willing to sacrifice the future. How many winning seasons have the Padres had in their entire existence? Far fewer than their losing seasons. If they can do this without sacrificing the future, I'm all in. But this just seems like credit card spending. Eventually you have to pay the bills, and if you've created more debt than you can pay you have to sell off some assets. Who cares about the future if you win a championship? Who cares about the past? You're comparing apples to oranges: Winning is predicated on an owner willing to invest in the team and dedicating resources to that end. A team that was one win away from a World Series berth adds two MVP candidates this season. Record attendance is going to follow. The team capped season tickets for the first time ever. Unprecedented demand from a supportive fan base. You have arguably the best lineup in baseball, you have arguably the best closer in baseball, you have an experienced staff and most importantly....an owner who wants to win. That matters. |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 10, 2023 9:42:51 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 10, 2023 10:12:27 GMT -8
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Post by aardvark on Feb 10, 2023 12:38:11 GMT -8
I want to know how much the interpreter gets.  |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 10, 2023 13:13:37 GMT -8
I want to know how much the interpreter gets. Shingo is well-paid. |
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Post by sdsuball on Feb 11, 2023 22:55:58 GMT -8
This deal needed to happen- our system doesn't have another MacKenzie Gore in it and we would have lost Darvish and Snell at the end of the season without this extension.
Plus it gives us more luxury tax room now.
Creatively structured deal.
I approve.
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Post by junior on Feb 13, 2023 17:37:24 GMT -8
Making some salary space to add a few more players if/when needed… now they need to lock in the left side of the infield for a buncha years!
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 13, 2023 18:20:46 GMT -8
Making some salary space to add a few more players if/when needed… now they need to lock in the left side of the infield for a buncha years! Half the left side of the infield is already locked up. |
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Post by aardvark on Aug 29, 2023 16:05:29 GMT -8
According to Acee, Darvish is off to see the physician in Texas who performed his TJ surgery in 2015.
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Post by junior on Aug 29, 2023 17:35:51 GMT -8
According to Acee, Darvish is off to see the physician in Texas who performed his TJ surgery in 2015. Probably a bad sign since he must've had an MRI while he was in St. Louis. As the cookies continue to crumble… |
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