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Post by aardvark on Oct 29, 2022 20:03:48 GMT -8
The Padres, I believe, have had at least 14 different hitting coaches since 2004. Just throwing that out there. Rettenmund was also fired by the Padres during his second stint as hitting coach in 2007, when the Padres had the worst team batting average in MLB. It wasn't Merv at that point. It was a crappy roster. Merv didn't suddenly forget how to coach hitting. He's probably the best hitting coach the Padres ever had. Really? That was a crappy roster? They hit .242 the first half of '07, then hit .262 the second half (after Rettenmund was fired), they won 89 games, only to be beaten in game 163 in Colorado (and no, Matt Holliday still hasn't touched the plate). If that was a "crappy roster", my wish would have been to have had many more "crappy rosters" just like that in my 54 years of watching MLB Padres teams.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 29, 2022 22:49:44 GMT -8
It wasn't Merv at that point. It was a crappy roster. Merv didn't suddenly forget how to coach hitting. He's probably the best hitting coach the Padres ever had. Really? That was a crappy roster? They hit .242 the first half of '07, then hit .262 the second half (after Rettenmund was fired), they won 89 games, only to be beaten in game 163 in Colorado (and no, Matt Holliday still hasn't touched the plate). If that was a "crappy roster", my wish would have been to have had many more "crappy rosters" just like that in my 54 years of watching MLB Padres teams. So, you're telling me that a great hitting coach like Merv suddenly forgot how to coach. OK. Maybe, "Crappy roster," is an exaggeration, but it certianly wasn't a great roster. We could use a hitting coach as great as Merv right now.
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 30, 2022 0:11:19 GMT -8
It wasn't Merv at that point. It was a crappy roster. Merv didn't suddenly forget how to coach hitting. He's probably the best hitting coach the Padres ever had. Really? That was a crappy roster? They hit .242 the first half of '07, then hit .262 the second half (after Rettenmund was fired), they won 89 games, only to be beaten in game 163 in Colorado (and no, Matt Holliday still hasn't touched the plate). If that was a "crappy roster", my wish would have been to have had many more "crappy rosters" just like that in my 54 years of watching MLB Padres teams. Nowhere near as good as our roster was this year. Not even close. If that 2007 Padres team played in this 2022 NL West division with the 111 win Dodgers, do they even break .500??
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 30, 2022 8:54:18 GMT -8
Tony Gwynn said Merv was a great hitting coach. That's good enough for me.
The fact that everyone else involved with the team in the 90's said the same thing just backs that up.
So what I'm saying is we need a hitting coach of that caliber. We don't have one right now.
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Post by aardvark on Oct 30, 2022 11:23:58 GMT -8
The only constant in all of this is Petco Park. As the years have gone on, and park revisions to dimensions have been made, it is interesting to me that the club doesn't post dimensions on the OF fences in very many spots. LF line, straight-away LF, just the right of dead-center, and the RF line. That's it. Are they afraid to post dimensions in other spots? It's not a symmetrical park--it would be interesting to see what the actual posted dimensions are in other areas of the park.
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Post by aardvark on Oct 30, 2022 11:24:23 GMT -8
Really? That was a crappy roster? They hit .242 the first half of '07, then hit .262 the second half (after Rettenmund was fired), they won 89 games, only to be beaten in game 163 in Colorado (and no, Matt Holliday still hasn't touched the plate). If that was a "crappy roster", my wish would have been to have had many more "crappy rosters" just like that in my 54 years of watching MLB Padres teams. So, you're telling me that a great hitting coach like Merv suddenly forgot how to coach. OK. Maybe, "Crappy roster," is an exaggeration, but it certianly wasn't a great roster. We could use a hitting coach as great as Merv right now. Numbers don't lie.
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Post by aardvark on Oct 30, 2022 11:34:51 GMT -8
Really? That was a crappy roster? They hit .242 the first half of '07, then hit .262 the second half (after Rettenmund was fired), they won 89 games, only to be beaten in game 163 in Colorado (and no, Matt Holliday still hasn't touched the plate). If that was a "crappy roster", my wish would have been to have had many more "crappy rosters" just like that in my 54 years of watching MLB Padres teams. Nowhere near as good as our roster was this year. Not even close. If that 2007 Padres team played in this 2022 NL West division with the 111 win Dodgers, do they even break .500??W/L wise, the '07 is team tied for the second-most number of wins in a full season in the 18 full seasons that have been played at Petco Park. They didn't hit much, but I'll take that team against anyone, with the Padres pitching staff that year.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 30, 2022 12:24:13 GMT -8
So, you're telling me that a great hitting coach like Merv suddenly forgot how to coach. OK. Maybe, "Crappy roster," is an exaggeration, but it certianly wasn't a great roster. We could use a hitting coach as great as Merv right now. Numbers don't lie. Sometimes they mislead. Rettenmund was the best hitting coach this team ever had. One weak half season doesn't outweigh several years of great hitting. And, again, Tony Gwynn said he was a great hitting coach (as did most of the other Padres of that era). I'll take Tony's opinion on hitting over yours. No offense.
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Post by aardvark on Oct 30, 2022 19:26:50 GMT -8
Sometimes they mislead. Rettenmund was the best hitting coach this team ever had. One weak half season doesn't outweigh several years of great hitting. And, again, Tony Gwynn said he was a great hitting coach (as did most of the other Padres of that era). I'll take Tony's opinion on hitting over yours. No offense. None taken. He was a good hitting coach--at the Q. But he never had much success at Petco Park. Apparently, no one has. He was just another batting coach chewed up and spit out by Petco Park. The Padres hit much better in '06 and '07 on the road than at home.
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Post by aardvark on Nov 1, 2022 14:17:34 GMT -8
Grisham win second Gold Glove as a center fielder.
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Post by azson on Nov 1, 2022 14:20:56 GMT -8
Grisham helped fuel the Padres’ run to the NLCS last month with a surprising power surge, but before that, he recorded 17 Outs Above Average in the regular season, which was tied with the D-backs’ Daulton Varsho for the MLB lead. It’s Grisham’s second career Gold Glove -- he also won it for center field in 2020 -- and the 26-year-old remains the only Padres player to win a Gold Glove since Chase Headley at third base in 2012.www.mlb.com/news/2022-gold-glove-award-winners
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2022 16:03:42 GMT -8
Oh hey fellas.
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Post by junior on Nov 1, 2022 17:15:30 GMT -8
Grisham win second Gold Glove as a center fielder. Well, there's something that'll take the sting out of his Below the Mendoza-line season. Glad he was recognized.
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 1, 2022 23:33:01 GMT -8
Manny and Kim played great D as well, even if they didn't win the award.
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Post by aardvark on Nov 1, 2022 23:36:27 GMT -8
Manny and Kim played great D as well, even if they didn't win the award. As did Cronenworth.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 1, 2022 23:39:31 GMT -8
That's nice. Time for Grisham to go. He was a huge liability, offensively, this year. I'd rather have an average fielder who can hit .280 with 25+ home runs and a bunch of RBI than a great fielder who can't come close to hitting his weight.
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 2, 2022 0:13:13 GMT -8
That's nice. Time for Grisham to go. He was a huge liability, offensively, this year. I'd rather have an average fielder who can hit .280 with 25+ home runs and a bunch of RBI than a great fielder who can't come close to hitting his weight. So basically you're hoping that we win the Brandon Nimmo FA sweepstakes. A lot of teams want him. Signing Benintendi, Drury, or Myers in LF + Grisham in CF seems more likely, but I guess anything is possible. A trade could happen too... but it probably won't.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 2, 2022 7:17:36 GMT -8
That's nice. Time for Grisham to go. He was a huge liability, offensively, this year. I'd rather have an average fielder who can hit .280 with 25+ home runs and a bunch of RBI than a great fielder who can't come close to hitting his weight. An "average" fielder who can hit .280 with 25+ home runs in center field with a bunch of RBI. That's all? Piece of cake...(This isn't 1950?) Oh, wait. There were only two center fielders who fit that criteria last season - And one of them (Judge) spent less than half his games there (78), the other was Julio Rodriguez, who is going to be the Rookie of the Year and will contend for an MVP before long. Stop. Using. Batting. Average. To. Quantify. Players.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 2, 2022 7:24:50 GMT -8
That's nice. Time for Grisham to go. He was a huge liability, offensively, this year. I'd rather have an average fielder who can hit .280 with 25+ home runs and a bunch of RBI than a great fielder who can't come close to hitting his weight. An "average" fielder who can hit .280 with 25+ home runs in center field with a bunch of RBI. That's all? Piece of cake...(This isn't 1950?) Oh, wait. There were only two center fielders who fit that criteria last season - And one of them (Judge) spent less than half his games there (78), the other was Julio Rodriguez, who is going to be the Rookie of the Year and will contend for an MVP before long. Stop. Using. Batting. Average. To. Quantify. Players. OPS is a misleading and overvalued stat. Tony Gwynn didn't have a great OPS number. Well above average, but there are a lot of players that were/are nowhere near his league who have much better OPS numbers. That's all you need to know to know it's a misleading stat. Batting average, runs, and RBI. Those are the most important stats. If you're not scoring or driving in runs, you're not valuable, offensively. You have to get hits to drive in runs, so batting average is very important. Walks are nice, but hits are much more valuable.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 2, 2022 7:47:29 GMT -8
An "average" fielder who can hit .280 with 25+ home runs in center field with a bunch of RBI. That's all? Piece of cake...(This isn't 1950?) Oh, wait. There were only two center fielders who fit that criteria last season - And one of them (Judge) spent less than half his games there (78), the other was Julio Rodriguez, who is going to be the Rookie of the Year and will contend for an MVP before long. Stop. Using. Batting. Average. To. Quantify. Players. OPS is a misleading and overvalued stat. Tony Gwynn didn't have a great OPS number. Well above average, but there are a lot of players that were/are nowhere near his league who have much better OPS numbers. That's all you need to know to know it's a misleading stat. Batting average, runs, and RBI. Those are the most important stats. If you're not scoring or driving in runs, you're not valuable, offensively. You have to get hits to drive in runs, so batting average is very important. Walks are nice, but hits are much more valuable. It. Is. Not. You were wrong then, you're wrong now, you've been told you're wrong multiple times. Your knowledge in this space is limited, at best...and egregiously incorrect at worst. Cherrypicking one player who didn't hit for power is not an indictment against any stat. It's disingenuous and stupid, to be frank. TG had an OPS+ of 132. For a player who specialized in line drives, that's still very good. It's just outside the top 100 in baseball history, regardless of position. Batting average (without any context) is worthless. Beyond worthless. Runs and RBI (Again, we are in 2022, nearly 2023) are absorbed into wRC+ - A park adjusted number that weights runs created. Grisham was 17% below league average in 2022. Not great, certainly. But...center field isn't an offensive position, by nature. You put your best glove out there and hope they hit enough to justify the PT. As I said, using your wildly out of touch criteria, you would have had one player who fits your pie in the sky fantasy...and it was one of the best players in baseball. Prior to this year, Grisham posted a 122 wRC+ in the shortened season and a 103 wRC+ last year. Assuming his BABIP number regresses back towards league average, he's a 3+ WAR center fielder now with multiple Gold Gloves. Shrug.
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