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Post by sdsuball on May 19, 2022 20:13:55 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 19, 2022 23:54:32 GMT -8
I say giving up Gore is out of the question. Abrams possibly, but he has such a high ceiling as well. If you HAVE to give up one them, then it would be Abrams for me.
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Post by aztecryan on May 20, 2022 7:06:29 GMT -8
They are not trying to trade Soto and will not trade Soto this season. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 20, 2022 8:50:42 GMT -8
They are not trying to trade Soto and will not trade Soto this season. That would be ridiculous of the Nats to trade Soto at such a young age. His future numbers would come back to haunt them. You build around him. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 20, 2022 8:56:26 GMT -8
They are not trying to trade Soto and will not trade Soto this season. That would be ridiculous of the Nats to trade Soto at such a young age. His future numbers would come back to haunt them. You build around him. He's going to free agency in two years. |
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Post by aztecmusician on May 20, 2022 9:33:05 GMT -8
I doubt the Nationals are dumb enough to trade Soto. He is the perfect hitter to rebuild around….and yes I would trade Gore to get him, he is just that good.
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Post by sdsuball on May 20, 2022 11:02:22 GMT -8
They are not trying to trade Soto and will not trade Soto this season. That would be ridiculous of the Nats to trade Soto at such a young age. His future numbers would come back to haunt them. You build around him. True but he turned down a $350 million dollar 13 year contract extension. Boras's client wants to hit free agency. |
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Post by sdsuball on May 20, 2022 11:07:29 GMT -8
I say giving up Gore is out of the question. Abrams possibly, but he has such a high ceiling as well. If you HAVE to give up one them, then it would be Abrams for me. Giving up Abrams makes more sense with the improvements that Gore's made, and how much value he adds to the team over the next few years. But people were saying that both of them in a package together for Soto would be enticing to the Nationals. There is no way that we would give up both of them... Abrams + two decent prospects, or Abrams + Lamet + a decent prospect. Or maybe Hassell + Campusano + a decent prospect (or Lamet) |
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Post by johneaztec on May 20, 2022 11:25:22 GMT -8
I say giving up Gore is out of the question. Abrams possibly, but he has such a high ceiling as well. If you HAVE to give up one them, then it would be Abrams for me. Giving up Abrams makes more sense with the improvements that Gore's made, and how much value he adds to the team over the next few years. But people were saying that both of them in a package together for Soto would be enticing to the Nationals. There is no way that we would give up both of them... Abrams + two decent prospects, or Abrams + Lamet + a decent prospect. Or maybe Hassell + Campusano + a decent prospect (or Lamet) Yeah, I agree. Never both. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 20, 2022 11:28:51 GMT -8
That would be ridiculous of the Nats to trade Soto at such a young age. His future numbers would come back to haunt them. You build around him. True but he turned down a $350 million dollar 13 year contract extension. Boras's client wants to hit free agency. Yeah, so I'm sure the Nationals are trying to get something now. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 20, 2022 14:44:20 GMT -8
I say giving up Gore is out of the question. Abrams possibly, but he has such a high ceiling as well. If you HAVE to give up one them, then it would be Abrams for me. Giving up Abrams makes more sense with the improvements that Gore's made, and how much value he adds to the team over the next few years. But people were saying that both of them in a package together for Soto would be enticing to the Nationals. There is no way that we would give up both of them... Abrams + two decent prospects, or Abrams + Lamet + a decent prospect. Or maybe Hassell + Campusano + a decent prospect (or Lamet) There's no historical parallel for this type of transaction, but suffice to say, judging from what I've heard, the Nationals wouldn't do any deal without both included. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 20, 2022 14:56:53 GMT -8
Giving up Abrams makes more sense with the improvements that Gore's made, and how much value he adds to the team over the next few years. But people were saying that both of them in a package together for Soto would be enticing to the Nationals. There is no way that we would give up both of them... Abrams + two decent prospects, or Abrams + Lamet + a decent prospect. Or maybe Hassell + Campusano + a decent prospect (or Lamet) There's no historical parallel for this type of transaction, but suffice to say, judging from what I've heard, the Nationals wouldn't do any deal without both included. The Nationals shouldn't do any deal without those two included. Soto's too good. |
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Post by sdsuball on May 20, 2022 22:34:00 GMT -8
Giving up Abrams makes more sense with the improvements that Gore's made, and how much value he adds to the team over the next few years. But people were saying that both of them in a package together for Soto would be enticing to the Nationals. There is no way that we would give up both of them... Abrams + two decent prospects, or Abrams + Lamet + a decent prospect. Or maybe Hassell + Campusano + a decent prospect (or Lamet) There's no historical parallel for this type of transaction, but suffice to say, judging from what I've heard, the Nationals wouldn't do any deal without both included. Yeah that's a fair point, their is no real point of comparison to make. It could shorten our contention window past the next 3 seasons... and even for seasons 2 and 3, we are going to need more starting pitching - and Gore's been great so far for us. I don't know that you move seven seasons of (possibly) Randy Johnson type production in Gore + seven seasons of (possibly, in a few years) Kenny Lofton type production in Abrams, for 2.75 years of Bonds type production. But I mean maybe you do! Soto is a future Hall of Famer, whereas Gore has a chance, Abrams has a chance.But it's really going to sting if we make that trade and don't win the World Series once over the next three years.A player of Gore or Abrams's caliber has a chance to have his number retired with the Padres. All in all it's a really absurd trade that's usually discussed as 'what if' as fantasy, not a real possibility. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2022 11:27:59 GMT -8
I am skeptical the Padres would pull this off. The cost in prospect capital would be massive and begin with Abrams, Hassell, and Gore no question ---- but though I do think ownership will go into the luxury tax threshold, I am not convinced they would be willing to go THAT deep in. This is going to be a $350MM++ contract once he hits FA.
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Post by johneaztec on May 21, 2022 13:01:13 GMT -8
There's no historical parallel for this type of transaction, but suffice to say, judging from what I've heard, the Nationals wouldn't do any deal without both included. Yeah that's a fair point, their is no real point of comparison to make. It could shorten our contention window past the next 3 seasons... and even for seasons 2 and 3, we are going to need more starting pitching - and Gore's been great so far for us. I don't know that you move seven seasons of (possibly) Randy Johnson type production in Gore + seven seasons of (possibly, in a few years) Kenny Lofton type production in Abrams, for 2.75 years of Bonds type production. But I mean maybe you do! Soto is a future Hall of Famer, whereas Gore has a chance, Abrams has a chance.But it's really going to sting if we make that trade and don't win the World Series once over the next three years.A player of Gore or Abrams's caliber has a chance to have his number retired with the Padres. All in all it's a really absurd trade that's usually discussed as 'what if' as fantasy, not a real possibility. Yeah, this one may fall into the category of: Sometimes the best deal, is the no deal that you made. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 21, 2022 13:20:31 GMT -8
I am skeptical the Padres would pull this off. The cost in prospect capital would be massive and begin with Abrams, Hassell, and Gore no question ---- but though I do think ownership will go into the luxury tax threshold, I am not convinced they would be willing to go THAT deep in. This is going to be a $350MM++ contract once he hits FA. And this isn't even counting the $60M+ he's going to be paid the next two seasons. EVT saw a random rumor and ran a story with it...but it's just not happening. |
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Post by sdsuball on May 22, 2022 17:04:49 GMT -8
I am skeptical the Padres would pull this off. The cost in prospect capital would be massive and begin with Abrams, Hassell, and Gore no question ---- but though I do think ownership will go into the luxury tax threshold, I am not convinced they would be willing to go THAT deep in. This is going to be a $350MM++ contract once he hits FA. And this isn't even counting the $60M+ he's going to be paid the next two seasons. EVT saw a random rumor and ran a story with it...but it's just not happening. Yeah I don't think it makes sense unless we are moving a huge contract as part of the deal (ie. Hosmer) IMO our current payroll situation is why this will never happen, we need guys like Gore and Abrams who are cheap and controllable so that we can resign guys like Musgrove. That's what allows us to have a long contention window. |
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