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Post by aztecmusician on Apr 24, 2022 12:57:40 GMT -8
This is a tweet from Derek Carty.
I know it’s still early and the abbreviated spring training may have been a factor, but hitting is off this year……dramatically. A little odd considering the universal DH.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 24, 2022 13:42:06 GMT -8
This is a tweet from Derek Carty. I know it’s still early and the abbreviated spring training may have been a factor, but hitting is off this year……dramatically. A little odd considering the universal DH. Pretty easy to decipher that MLB is once again tampering with the balls. Balls with the same exit velocity and launch angle are traveling less distance. Whether it's the seams being raised or the core of the ball being messed with, it's not great for the sport. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Apr 24, 2022 13:52:22 GMT -8
That’s pretty much the general consensus. It is remarkable how just a small tweak to the ball can make a difference.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 24, 2022 13:58:24 GMT -8
This is a tweet from Derek Carty. I know it’s still early and the abbreviated spring training may have been a factor, but hitting is off this year……dramatically. A little odd considering the universal DH. Pretty easy to decipher that MLB is once again tampering with the balls. Balls with the same exit velocity and launch angle are traveling less distance. Whether it's the seams being raised or the core of the ball being messed with, it's not great for the sport. I don't get why they would do that. Most fans would rather have the excitement of more runs, than less. |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 24, 2022 14:06:20 GMT -8
Pretty easy to decipher that MLB is once again tampering with the balls. Balls with the same exit velocity and launch angle are traveling less distance. Whether it's the seams being raised or the core of the ball being messed with, it's not great for the sport. I don't get why they would do that. Most fans would rather have the excitement of more runs, than less. You think they care about fans? With the changes Manfred has made, it's all about satisfying owners and speeding up pace of play. Manfred's lack of integrity for the game is the issue. |
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 29, 2022 6:28:18 GMT -8
I don't get why they would do that. Most fans would rather have the excitement of more runs, than less. You think they care about fans? With the changes Manfred has made, it's all about satisfying owners and speeding up pace of play. Manfred's lack of integrity for the game is the issue. You don't think speeding up the pace of play is for the fans? I think that's who its specifically designed for. The ball is definitely an issue but the quicker pace has been good for the general fan. |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 29, 2022 8:13:12 GMT -8
You think they care about fans? With the changes Manfred has made, it's all about satisfying owners and speeding up pace of play. Manfred's lack of integrity for the game is the issue. You don't think speeding up the pace of play is for the fans? I think that's who its specifically designed for. The ball is definitely an issue but the quicker pace has been good for the general fan. I don't, personally. The general fans (ones I've talked to at games) don't care if a game lasts three hours or three hours and ten minutes. It's definitely a godsend in the minors where the quality of play isn't good, but no, I don't think the pace of play at the MLB level really is all that necessary. Pitch clocks are fine, but the game has a lot more problems beyond that that are more pressing issues. Umpiring is as bad as it's ever been, balls are traveling less distance with the same exit velocities and launch angles by 15-17 feet, shortened spring training has led to a major run of injuries for clubs, defenses have been atrocious this year (the ball, again) and plainly stated, I just don't think Manfred, after last year's nonsense about certain balls going to certain high-profile games, has the integrity to fix the sport. |
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 29, 2022 15:07:23 GMT -8
You don't think speeding up the pace of play is for the fans? I think that's who its specifically designed for. The ball is definitely an issue but the quicker pace has been good for the general fan. I don't, personally. The general fans (ones I've talked to at games) don't care if a game lasts three hours or three hours and ten minutes. It's definitely a godsend in the minors where the quality of play isn't good, but no, I don't think the pace of play at the MLB level really is all that necessary. Pitch clocks are fine, but the game has a lot more problems beyond that that are more pressing issues. Umpiring is as bad as it's ever been, balls are traveling less distance with the same exit velocities and launch angles by 15-17 feet, shortened spring training has led to a major run of injuries for clubs, defenses have been atrocious this year (the ball, again) and plainly stated, I just don't think Manfred, after last year's nonsense about certain balls going to certain high-profile games, has the integrity to fix the sport. I'm not a fan of Boyfred, and agree there are a lot of issues with the game (ball, umpires making hitters guess more, shortened spring training - although that wasn't on Manfred IMO, etc.), but disagree about the length of the game not being a good thing for the fans. Maybe not to hardcore baseball people, but to the general fan it's definitely an issue. I have a hard time dragging my wife to games because 2 we went to last year went over 3.5 hours & that's beyond her tolerance level & I know several people in the same boat. The runner on 2nd in extras is a GOOD move for the game IMO, for the regular season. I do think the ball will start to fly more when it warms up, but I'm not understanding the logic behind using the humidor? |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 29, 2022 15:36:39 GMT -8
I don't, personally. The general fans (ones I've talked to at games) don't care if a game lasts three hours or three hours and ten minutes. It's definitely a godsend in the minors where the quality of play isn't good, but no, I don't think the pace of play at the MLB level really is all that necessary. Pitch clocks are fine, but the game has a lot more problems beyond that that are more pressing issues. Umpiring is as bad as it's ever been, balls are traveling less distance with the same exit velocities and launch angles by 15-17 feet, shortened spring training has led to a major run of injuries for clubs, defenses have been atrocious this year (the ball, again) and plainly stated, I just don't think Manfred, after last year's nonsense about certain balls going to certain high-profile games, has the integrity to fix the sport. I'm not a fan of Boyfred, and agree there are a lot of issues with the game (ball, umpires making hitters guess more, shortened spring training - although that wasn't on Manfred IMO, etc.), but disagree about the length of the game not being a good thing for the fans. Maybe not to hardcore baseball people, but to the general fan it's definitely an issue. I have a hard time dragging my wife to games because 2 we went to last year went over 3.5 hours & that's beyond her tolerance level & I know several people in the same boat. The runner on 2nd in extras is a GOOD move for the game IMO, for the regular season. I do think the ball will start to fly more when it warms up, but I'm not understanding the logic behind using the humidor? They want equal results at all parks, to make the ball play more "fairly" overall and consistent. |
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Post by junior on Apr 29, 2022 17:15:11 GMT -8
I'm not a fan of Boyfred, and agree there are a lot of issues with the game (ball, umpires making hitters guess more, shortened spring training - although that wasn't on Manfred IMO, etc.), but disagree about the length of the game not being a good thing for the fans. Maybe not to hardcore baseball people, but to the general fan it's definitely an issue. I have a hard time dragging my wife to games because 2 we went to last year went over 3.5 hours & that's beyond her tolerance level & I know several people in the same boat. The runner on 2nd in extras is a GOOD move for the game IMO, for the regular season. I do think the ball will start to fly more when it warms up, but I'm not understanding the logic behind using the humidor? They want equal results at all parks, to make the ball play more "fairly" overall and consistent. The problem with a "One size fits all" mentality (or here, One Ball Fits All) is that regardless of the gyrations they go through with bats and balls, each ball park is going to play differently from the next. So to choose one variable - the ball - is unlikely to ever equalize results across all of MLB. Unless MLB wants to just play all games in cyberspace from now on, where all of these variables can very easily be controlled, they should really stop meddling with equipment and focus on the game itself. This kind of "Big Brothering" almost always leads to players trying to game whatever systems they think they can beat. (Now where's that cork?) |
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Post by sdsuball on Apr 29, 2022 17:24:44 GMT -8
I don't, personally. The general fans (ones I've talked to at games) don't care if a game lasts three hours or three hours and ten minutes. It's definitely a godsend in the minors where the quality of play isn't good, but no, I don't think the pace of play at the MLB level really is all that necessary. Pitch clocks are fine, but the game has a lot more problems beyond that that are more pressing issues. Umpiring is as bad as it's ever been, balls are traveling less distance with the same exit velocities and launch angles by 15-17 feet, shortened spring training has led to a major run of injuries for clubs, defenses have been atrocious this year (the ball, again) and plainly stated, I just don't think Manfred, after last year's nonsense about certain balls going to certain high-profile games, has the integrity to fix the sport. I'm not a fan of Boyfred, and agree there are a lot of issues with the game (ball, umpires making hitters guess more, shortened spring training - although that wasn't on Manfred IMO, etc.), but disagree about the length of the game not being a good thing for the fans. Maybe not to hardcore baseball people, but to the general fan it's definitely an issue. I have a hard time dragging my wife to games because 2 we went to last year went over 3.5 hours & that's beyond her tolerance level & I know several people in the same boat. The runner on 2nd in extras is a GOOD move for the game IMO, for the regular season. I do think the ball will start to fly more when it warms up, but I'm not understanding the logic behind using the humidor? Yeah I agree, it's different for date night/family night at the park vs. going to a game with friends. Game length matters for the former, not the latter. |
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 30, 2022 7:00:07 GMT -8
I don't, personally. The general fans (ones I've talked to at games) don't care if a game lasts three hours or three hours and ten minutes. It's definitely a godsend in the minors where the quality of play isn't good, but no, I don't think the pace of play at the MLB level really is all that necessary. Pitch clocks are fine, but the game has a lot more problems beyond that that are more pressing issues. Umpiring is as bad as it's ever been, balls are traveling less distance with the same exit velocities and launch angles by 15-17 feet, shortened spring training has led to a major run of injuries for clubs, defenses have been atrocious this year (the ball, again) and plainly stated, I just don't think Manfred, after last year's nonsense about certain balls going to certain high-profile games, has the integrity to fix the sport. I'm not a fan of Boyfred, and agree there are a lot of issues with the game (ball, umpires making hitters guess more, shortened spring training - although that wasn't on Manfred IMO, etc.), but disagree about the length of the game not being a good thing for the fans. Maybe not to hardcore baseball people, but to the general fan it's definitely an issue. I have a hard time dragging my wife to games because 2 we went to last year went over 3.5 hours & that's beyond her tolerance level & I know several people in the same boat. The runner on 2nd in extras is a GOOD move for the game IMO, for the regular season. I do think the ball will start to fly more when it warms up, but I'm not understanding the logic behind using the humidor? Length of game time matters big time to most families, for a variety of reasons. Games not going on for 3+ hours is a good thing, unless it's an exciting, extra innings game, which is rare. I also agree on the extra innings use of putting a player on second to start the inning. All strategies of the game come into play with that, and results come quicker. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 6, 2022 12:13:56 GMT -8
If you needed any real indication that the balls have been tampered with...
MLB has said all along that only one type of ball is being used. They clearly aren't being truthful.
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Post by junior on May 6, 2022 13:10:46 GMT -8
Noteworthy that Hosmer and especially Machado are hitting the stuffing out of the problem baseballs.
Leads to some speculation about some of the movement characteristics of these balls. Pretty obvious that some really good hitters are just not making the same kind of contact that a few others have been able to make so far. Balls that last year would've probably been home runs are dying in the air before they get out of the park.
Nothing but limited observations here, but it seems like line drives are the ones that have the best chance of getting out on most days.
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Post by johneaztec on May 6, 2022 13:39:44 GMT -8
Noteworthy that Hosmer and especially Machado are hitting the stuffing out of the problem baseballs. Leads to some speculation about some of the movement characteristics of these balls. Pretty obvious that some really good hitters are just not making the same kind of contact that a few others have been able to make so far. Balls that last year would've probably been home runs are dying in the air before they get out of the park. Nothing but limited observations here, but it seems like line drives are the ones that have the best chance of getting out on most days. Yes, and no secret that, as of now, the two best hitters on the team are barreling the ball, big time. A lot of their batted balls for outs are barreled as well. So, just keep barreling, and good things will happen. Kim, to some regard, as well. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 6, 2022 13:43:15 GMT -8
If you needed any real indication that the balls have been tampered with... MLB has said all along that only one type of ball is being used. They clearly aren't being truthful. Pitcher's love it. Sure helps their ERA, etc.... |
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Post by aardvark on May 6, 2022 15:02:08 GMT -8
No excuse for the fustercluck with the baseball, as MLB is a minority owner of Rawlings.
And...the majority owner of Rawlings is Seidler Equity Partners.
Seidler...Seidler...hmmm, that name seems familiar...
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Post by johneaztec on May 6, 2022 17:42:24 GMT -8
When MLB removed the spitter from pitchers' repertoires, something had to give to keep all those expensive balls from flying out of the park… Ha!!! Good point. |
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Post by junior on May 6, 2022 17:57:59 GMT -8
FINALLY - they bat Manny and Hosmer B2B - and see what happens?
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Post by aztecryan on May 6, 2022 18:11:06 GMT -8
FINALLY - they bat Manny and Hosmer B2B - and see what happens? Credit to the guys in front of them for driving up the pitch count as well. |
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