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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 5, 2009 9:56:58 GMT -8
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 5, 2009 15:18:07 GMT -8
At present even the AARP is for ObamaCare. This is not the first time that the AARP has come off on the side that is directly in conflict with the best interests of its membership. As pointed out in the article, when the AARP memberships starts getting gored what will they do when members start to cancel in droves as I did a couple years ago? Deny the 93 year old mother of even the dimmest of members a hip replacement or pain control medicine and watch them howl. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 5, 2009 15:37:32 GMT -8
Exactly. This makes me ask the question, "Does the Left not understand what a backlash there will be when the truth hits home?"
There are two (perhaps more) answers.
1) They really are too stupid or ignorant of how economic matters work to understand the inevitable outcome of their policies.
2) They have some inkling of what might happen in the way of a backlash but just don't care. After all, the Left is the Chosen People, those who know what's good for everyone else. Plus, they may assume, and I fear that this assumption may be accurate, that once single payer is in place, there will be no practical way to rescind it.
With respect to #2, I see this as an aspect of what has been happening increasingly in this country. More and more people see their survival as dependent on largess from the federal government. Any attempt to change the status quo (which in any case will be condemned loudly by the Left and the Left's many fellow travelers in the media and academia) will frighten that growing percentage of people in the U.S. who have, like the serfs of the Middle Ages, bowed their heads to the local lord in exchange for protection.
The 21st Century. . . One damned poor era in which to be a libertarian.!
AzWm
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Aug 5, 2009 16:44:24 GMT -8
At present even the AARP is for ObamaCare. This is not the first time that the AARP has come off on the side that is directly in conflict with the best interests of its membership. As pointed out in the article, when the AARP memberships starts getting gored what will they do when members start to cancel in droves as I did a couple years ago? Deny the 93 year old mother of even the dimmest of members a hip replacement or pain control medicine and watch them howl. Pooh, no reputable doctor is going to allow any 93 year-old woman to get a hip replacement. The danger is just too damn high. Hell, my mother got her hip replaced at age 61 and had a post-operative stroke. And I mean really; claiming that anyone would deny the elderly pain control medicine is so typical of the fear-mongering the insurance companies are tossing out there on a daily basis. The problem, Pooh, is that you see anyone who disagrees with you as being part of some sort of evil, liberal cabal whose only wish is to deny old people medical care. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 6, 2009 4:22:11 GMT -8
At present even the AARP is for ObamaCare. This is not the first time that the AARP has come off on the side that is directly in conflict with the best interests of its membership. As pointed out in the article, when the AARP memberships starts getting gored what will they do when members start to cancel in droves as I did a couple years ago? Deny the 93 year old mother of even the dimmest of members a hip replacement or pain control medicine and watch them howl. Pooh, no reputable doctor is going to allow any 93 year-old woman to get a hip replacement. The danger is just too damn high. Hell, my mother got her hip replaced at age 61 and had a post-operative stroke. And I mean really; claiming that anyone would deny the elderly pain control medicine is so typical of the fear-mongering the insurance companies are tossing out there on a daily basis. The problem, Pooh, is that you see anyone who disagrees with you as being part of some sort of evil, liberal cabal whose only wish is to deny old people medical care. =Bob You are right! It would not be a reputable Doctor, but an ObamaCare bureaucrat who would make those Draconian decisions. Fortunately it appears that there will be enough local opposition to ObamaCare at TownHalls to put the fear of not getting re-elected to get them to kill the thing in its present form. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Aug 9, 2009 17:34:02 GMT -8
Pooh, no reputable doctor is going to allow any 93 year-old woman to get a hip replacement. The danger is just too damn high. Hell, my mother got her hip replaced at age 61 and had a post-operative stroke. And I mean really; claiming that anyone would deny the elderly pain control medicine is so typical of the fear-mongering the insurance companies are tossing out there on a daily basis. The problem, Pooh, is that you see anyone who disagrees with you as being part of some sort of evil, liberal cabal whose only wish is to deny old people medical care. =Bob You are right! It would not be a reputable Doctor, but an ObamaCare bureaucrat who would make those Draconian decisions. Fortunately it appears that there will be enough local opposition to ObamaCare at TownHalls to put the fear of not getting re-elected to get them to kill the thing in its present form. As opposed to an insurance company bureaucrat making the decisions? You really don't have a clue about such things because you've had socialized medical care since the time you enlisted. Tell me something. Did you come out of your cancer treatments with any sort of debt? =Bob |
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Post by davdesid on Aug 10, 2009 15:26:43 GMT -8
You are right! It would not be a reputable Doctor, but an ObamaCare bureaucrat who would make those Draconian decisions. Fortunately it appears that there will be enough local opposition to ObamaCare at TownHalls to put the fear of not getting re-elected to get them to kill the thing in its present form. As opposed to an insurance company bureaucrat making the decisions? You really don't have a clue about such things because you've had socialized medical care since the time you enlisted. Tell me something. Did you come out of your cancer treatments with any sort of debt? =Bob =Perfesser, you don't know squat about military health care. The only way a retiree can get "free" health care is at a Military Treatment Facility, and that is on a Space Available basis as determined by the installation commander. Most MTFs do not accept retirees. I don't know about Balboa, but I'll bet they do not accept retirees. Military retired health care insurance requires premiums to be paid by the retiree. And if the retiree has any kind of insurance through an employer, or otherwise, that insurance is automatically first payer. After age 65, the retiree goes on Medicare just like everyone else who paid into that system. Just like you will in about 5 years. It seems to me, that while you like to slam "win" about having employer provided insurance through the government, you had it too: www.sdcounty.ca.gov/hr/benefits.htmlwww.usps.com/employment/compbenefits.htm |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 12, 2009 18:01:48 GMT -8
You are right! It would not be a reputable Doctor, but an ObamaCare bureaucrat who would make those Draconian decisions. Fortunately it appears that there will be enough local opposition to ObamaCare at TownHalls to put the fear of not getting re-elected to get them to kill the thing in its present form. As opposed to an insurance company bureaucrat making the decisions? You really don't have a clue about such things because you've had socialized medical care since the time you enlisted. Tell me something. Did you come out of your cancer treatments with any sort of debt? =Bob You are missing some key points. The system can be fixed so that your Doctor will assist you in making these kind of decisions. That is not a part of ObamaKare. My case is not pertinent to this discussion. I paid for my plan and it work close to what I expected. |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 12, 2009 18:05:18 GMT -8
As opposed to an insurance company bureaucrat making the decisions? You really don't have a clue about such things because you've had socialized medical care since the time you enlisted. Tell me something. Did you come out of your cancer treatments with any sort of debt? =Bob =Perfesser, you don't know squat about military health care. The only way a retiree can get "free" health care is at a Military Treatment Facility, and that is on a Space Available basis as determined by the installation commander. Most MTFs do not accept retirees. I don't know about Balboa, but I'll bet they do not accept retirees. Military retired health care insurance requires premiums to be paid by the retiree. And if the retiree has any kind of insurance through an employer, or otherwise, that insurance is automatically first payer. After age 65, the retiree goes on Medicare just like everyone else who paid into that system. Just like you will in about 5 years. It seems to me, that while you like to slam "win" about having employer provided insurance through the government, you had it too: www.sdcounty.ca.gov/hr/benefits.htmlwww.usps.com/employment/compbenefits.htm It is pretty much a waste of time to try to explain it to -Bob. He has somehow been able to draw a line in his little liberal mind between our taxes paying for his insurance and his taxes paying for ours. |
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