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Post by chris92065 on Feb 29, 2020 2:35:50 GMT -8
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Post by aztecmusician on Feb 29, 2020 4:16:11 GMT -8
This will most likely be over by the end of March.
Remember there are political agendas in play and politicians and media outlets love to scare us with over exaggerated sensationalism.
Just relax and wash your hands.
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Post by couldashoulda on Feb 29, 2020 5:15:05 GMT -8
Some people might call me a germ phobic. For several years now I have become uber aware of what I am touching during cold and flu season, including my own face! I use my elbows to open doors, carry paper towels or napkins with me to avoid touching surfaces where others have touched, etc. I also get my annual flu shot. Germ phobic or just common sense (knocking on wood), I haven't been sick in years. I even gave up my gym membership (talk about a human petri dish!) and work out at home. If the Coronavirus hits San Diego County in a big way, I will carry on just as I have been for the past several years. Regarding the stock market...I have been handling my own stock investments for about the past 20 years. I am knowledgeable, subscribing to and reading a variety of financial publications. But, I am no expert. Even the "experts" really have no clue what is causing, or will cause, the markets to move in one direction or another. The market was ripe for a correction from a purely technical standpoint. This bull market run of 11 years has been somewhat unprecedented. The market has been in overbought condition for months, long before COVID-19 became news. The market was just waiting for such an event. It has accomplished what the China trade war could not. Additionally, as Jim Cramer pointed out this morning on CNBC, this correction is the product of biological event, not a financial event. Yes, company's bottom lines will suffer in the short term, but in the bigger picture, good solid companies will still be good solid companies. If you are on the brink of retirement, you shouldn't be hugely exposed to the stock market anyway. If you have 5-10 years or more to retirement, just keep dollar cost averaging into your 401K or IRA and that 10% historical return of the S & P 500 will resume. And, smarter people than me will have decide what is in the best interest of the general public! I don't think it is a coincidence that the drop was not long after the betting markets starting seeing Sanders as the democrat nominee. I don't talk politics, and I said, I am no expert regarding the markets. I am just an experienced investor who has been observing and studying market movement for 20+ years. My market comment was basically that regardless of ANY other factors, the market has been due for a correction for months based on purely technical and fundamental factors (basically that the market has been in an "overbought" condition for quite some time). Company valuations, measured by the price to earnings ratio among other things. All the market needed was something to scare the institutional investors into selling significant positions within their portfolios. Coronavirus provided that impetus.
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Post by couldashoulda on Feb 29, 2020 5:21:44 GMT -8
This will most likely be over by the end of March.Remember there are political agendas in play and politicians and media outlets love to scare us with over exaggerated sensationalism. Just relax and wash your hands. I gave you a thumbs up and generally agree with you. However, I think your timeline is ambitious. Regarding hygiene during this time...as germ phobic as I may be during even a normal cold and flu season, I am amazed at how unthinking some people are. I work in an office of approximately 25 people. In the past couple of months we have had probably half of our work force out at various times with various ills. And yet, you have people sitting down at other people's desks who have been sick and using their workstation, going into the kitchen and touching everything in there, sneezing and coughing around the office. C'mon people, it's just effing common sense!
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Post by aztecking on Feb 29, 2020 6:53:25 GMT -8
This will most likely be over by the end of March.Remember there are political agendas in play and politicians and media outlets love to scare us with over exaggerated sensationalism. Just relax and wash your hands. I gave you a thumbs up and generally agree with you. However, I think your timeline is ambitious. Regarding hygiene during this time...as germ phobic as I may be during even a normal cold and flu season, I am amazed at how unthinking some people are. I work in an office of approximately 25 people. In the past couple of months we have had probably half of our work force out at various times with various ills. And yet, you have people sitting down at other people's desks who have been sick and using their workstation, going into the kitchen and touching everything in there, sneezing and coughing around the office. C'mon people, it's just effing common sense! You do know that washing your hands isn’t enough, right? It’s aerosolized so it hangs in the air for a bit, not just on surfaces.
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Post by ron on Feb 29, 2020 7:14:57 GMT -8
This may have already been addressed, but I didn't have time to go through 4 pages of material. Then coronavirus is common and almost everywhere. This outbreak, however, is a specific mutation and should not be confused with the common virus.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Feb 29, 2020 7:36:51 GMT -8
This will most likely be over by the end of March.Remember there are political agendas in play and politicians and media outlets love to scare us with over exaggerated sensationalism. Just relax and wash your hands. I gave you a thumbs up and generally agree with you. However, I think your timeline is ambitious. Regarding hygiene during this time...as germ phobic as I may be during even a normal cold and flu season, I am amazed at how unthinking some people are. I work in an office of approximately 25 people. In the past couple of months we have had probably half of our work force out at various times with various ills. And yet, you have people sitting down at other people's desks who have been sick and using their workstation, going into the kitchen and touching everything in there, sneezing and coughing around the office. C'mon people, it's just effing common sense! I agree that the timeline is ambitious. If it follows in roughly the same path as the last respiratory pandemic (H1N1 Swine Flu in 2009-2010), we'll being dealing with this for close to a year. That said, there is reason to believe COVID-19 won't be as bad as H1N1. Most don't remember but H1N1 led to 60.8 million cases, 274,304 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths in the US. COVID-19 is scary because it is new and there is still a lot of mystery, but as better information comes in it is looking like COVID-19 is less dangerous than H1N1 was.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 7:36:59 GMT -8
Won't be an issue. Colonel bone spurs is diligently putting together a "perfect" approach and team to handle this.
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Post by aztecking on Feb 29, 2020 8:34:07 GMT -8
I gave you a thumbs up and generally agree with you. However, I think your timeline is ambitious. Regarding hygiene during this time...as germ phobic as I may be during even a normal cold and flu season, I am amazed at how unthinking some people are. I work in an office of approximately 25 people. In the past couple of months we have had probably half of our work force out at various times with various ills. And yet, you have people sitting down at other people's desks who have been sick and using their workstation, going into the kitchen and touching everything in there, sneezing and coughing around the office. C'mon people, it's just effing common sense! I agree that the timeline is ambitious. If it follows in roughly the same path as the last respiratory pandemic (H1N1 Swine Flu in 2009-2010), we'll being dealing with this for close to a year. That said, there is reason to believe COVID-19 won't be as bad as H1N1. Most don't remember but H1N1 led to 60.8 million cases, 274,304 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths in the US. COVID-19 is scary because it is new and there is still a lot of mystery, but as better information comes in it is looking like COVID-19 is less dangerous than H1N1 was. This virus is far more deadly than H1N1 was. If an equivalent number of people here contract it (who knows if that will happen or not) then hundreds of thousands will die.
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Feb 29, 2020 8:40:33 GMT -8
This will most likely be over by the end of March. Remember there are political agendas in play and politicians and media outlets love to scare us with over exaggerated sensationalism. Just relax and wash your hands. While there is no doubt the media markets sensationalism and politicians have agendas, promulgating a false sense of security is just as dangerous and irresponsible as being overly alarmist. And to attribute the highest level of risk assessment the WHO can issue, as well as unforeseen quarantine protocols in the world's three largest economies, to a "political agenda" ironically belies your own. From an AP article published today: This may very well blow over without significant consequence or disruption, economic or otherwise; I think we all would like to see that. But to claim "there is nothing to see here" is analogous to doing this:
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Feb 29, 2020 9:17:47 GMT -8
This will most likely be over by the end of March. Remember there are political agendas in play and politicians and media outlets love to scare us with over exaggerated sensationalism. Just relax and wash your hands. What agenda does China, Japan and Italy have in common?...they are all shutting down for business to stop the spread...so apparently something strange and unusual is going on in those countries causing them to take such drastic actions...there is a reason major corporations are canceling meetings overseas...these guys are not prone to scare over exaggerations or sensationalism...they have their own highly-paid experts who do not spin the truth because millions or billions of dollars are at stake...so Coronavirus is for real, highly contagious and deadly...and hopefully great minds will come together and eradicate it before it gets too far out of hand...ignoring the virus and believing what some politician or paid pundit on tv (they have agendas) says is not going to solve the problem....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 9:31:33 GMT -8
Maybe it's time to call Batman.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Feb 29, 2020 10:21:50 GMT -8
I agree that the timeline is ambitious. If it follows in roughly the same path as the last respiratory pandemic (H1N1 Swine Flu in 2009-2010), we'll being dealing with this for close to a year. That said, there is reason to believe COVID-19 won't be as bad as H1N1. Most don't remember but H1N1 led to 60.8 million cases, 274,304 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths in the US. COVID-19 is scary because it is new and there is still a lot of mystery, but as better information comes in it is looking like COVID-19 is less dangerous than H1N1 was. This virus is far more deadly than H1N1 was. If an equivalent number of people here contract it (who knows if that will happen or not) then hundreds of thousands will die. That is simply untrue. In the United States H1N1 had a mortality rate of 0.2%. The United States has no COVID-19 moralities so far but if you use cases in Japan and Western European countries, the mortality rate is right around there or lower. The 2% morality rate breathlessly reported everywhere was based on information out of China and included the original Wuhan outbreak where virtually no medical care was given. As new and better data continues to pour in, there is absolutely nothing to indicate COVID-19 is any more deadly than H1N1 when taken as a whole. Only the distribution of the mortality curve is different with COVID-19 being harder on the elderly than H1N1 was, and much easier on the young. H1N1 killed kids and COVID-19 doesn't but COVID-19 makes up for not killing kids by killing even more seniors. The looming American body count from COVID-19 killing 2% of everyone infected was panic talk from when garbage information being provided by an Authoritarian China was all we had to go on. We now know that isn't true. That isn't to say we're all good now. We aren't. H1N1 did kill 12,469 Americans and filled hospitals.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 10:36:59 GMT -8
This virus is far more deadly than H1N1 was. If an equivalent number of people here contract it (who knows if that will happen or not) then hundreds of thousands will die. That is simply untrue. In the United States H1N1 had a mortality rate of 0.2%. The United States has no COVID-19 moralities so far but if you use cases in Japan and Western European countries, the mortality rate is right around there or lower. The 2% morality rate breathlessly reported everywhere was based on information out of China and included the original Wuhan outbreak where virtually no medical care was given. As new and better data continues to pour in, there is absolutely nothing to indicate COVID-19 is any more deadly than H1N1 when taken as a whole. Only the distribution of the mortality curve is different with COVID-19 being harder on the elderly than H1N1 was, and much easier on the young. H1N1 killed kids and COVID-19 doesn't but COVID-19 makes up for not killing kids by killing even more seniors. The looming American body count from COVID-19 killing 2% of everyone infected was panic talk from when garbage information being provided by an Authoritarian China was all we had to go on. We now know that isn't true. That isn't to say we're all good now. We aren't. H1N1 did kill 12,469 Americans and filled hospitals. Influenza has already claimed 16,000 in the U.S. And you remember the bird flu pandemic that was supposed to claim 50 million right? I don't know the exact totals but I believe it killed less than a thousand world wide. Keep an eye on your investments. The sheep are in a panic.
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Post by aztecmusician on Feb 29, 2020 13:40:19 GMT -8
The political media complex uses FEAR, ENVY, HATE, GREED, REMORSE to manipulate and influence voters. Both parties.
The fear card is currently in play.
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Post by aztecmusician on Feb 29, 2020 13:40:48 GMT -8
Dont panic.
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Post by aardvark on Feb 29, 2020 13:47:04 GMT -8
This virus is far more deadly than H1N1 was. If an equivalent number of people here contract it (who knows if that will happen or not) then hundreds of thousands will die. That is simply untrue. In the United States H1N1 had a mortality rate of 0.2%. The United States has no COVID-19 moralities so far but if you use cases in Japan and Western European countries, the mortality rate is right around there or lower. The 2% morality rate breathlessly reported everywhere was based on information out of China and included the original Wuhan outbreak where virtually no medical care was given. As new and better data continues to pour in, there is absolutely nothing to indicate COVID-19 is any more deadly than H1N1 when taken as a whole. Only the distribution of the mortality curve is different with COVID-19 being harder on the elderly than H1N1 was, and much easier on the young. H1N1 killed kids and COVID-19 doesn't but COVID-19 makes up for not killing kids by killing even more seniors. The looming American body count from COVID-19 killing 2% of everyone infected was panic talk from when garbage information being provided by an Authoritarian China was all we had to go on. We now know that isn't true. That isn't to say we're all good now. We aren't. H1N1 did kill 12,469 Americans and filled hospitals. Apparently, the "no deaths in the U.S." claims are untrue, as unfortunately, the first fatality from the Coronavirus has been reported in Washington state.
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Post by bagtec on Mar 1, 2020 21:34:46 GMT -8
this thread did not disappoint
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Post by KDub on Mar 1, 2020 21:44:17 GMT -8
Well..he has “Crazy” right there in his name, so he must be! 🤡
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Mar 1, 2020 22:06:37 GMT -8
This virus is far more deadly than H1N1 was. If an equivalent number of people here contract it (who knows if that will happen or not) then hundreds of thousands will die. That is simply untrue. In the United States H1N1 had a mortality rate of 0.2%. The United States has no COVID-19 moralities so far but if you use cases in Japan and Western European countries, the mortality rate is right around there or lower. The 2% morality rate breathlessly reported everywhere was based on information out of China and included the original Wuhan outbreak where virtually no medical care was given. As new and better data continues to pour in, there is absolutely nothing to indicate COVID-19 is any more deadly than H1N1 when taken as a whole. Only the distribution of the mortality curve is different with COVID-19 being harder on the elderly than H1N1 was, and much easier on the young. H1N1 killed kids and COVID-19 doesn't but COVID-19 makes up for not killing kids by killing even more seniors. The looming American body count from COVID-19 killing 2% of everyone infected was panic talk from when garbage information being provided by an Authoritarian China was all we had to go on. We now know that isn't true. That isn't to say we're all good now. We aren't. H1N1 did kill 12,469 Americans and filled hospitals. Just to bring some of the figures in line with the latest reporting. As per the numbers reported by John Hopkins the current overall mortality rate is 3.4%, with +/-95% of the deaths having occurred in mainland China. It is also worth noting that there have been no deaths in Germany (130 confirmed cases), Singapore (106 confirmed cases), Hong Kong (98 confirmed cases), or Spain(84 confirmed cases). On the other end of the spectrum, Iran is an outlier, with 54 reported deaths and 978 confirmed cases. However, BBC reported yesterday according to their hospital sources, there are 210 confirmed deaths as of yesterday. Western and developed countries outside China who have reported deaths are as follows: Japan: 256 confirmed cases, 6 reported deaths; mortality rate: 2.3%
S. Korea: 4,212 confirmed cases, 22 reported deaths; mortality rate: .5%Italy: 1,694 confirmed cases; 34 reported deaths; mortality rate: 2%U.S.: 86 confirmed cases, 2 reported deaths; mortality rate: 2.3%Australia: 29 confirmed cases, 1 reported death; mortality rate: 3.4%Taiwan: 40 confirmed cases, 1 reported deaths; mortality rate: 2.5%
France: 130 confirmed cases, 2 reported deaths; mortality rate: 1.5%Diamond Princess: 705 confirmed cases, 6 reported deaths; mortality rate: .9% Including both Germany and Spain in the above list tallies to 74 deaths amongst a population of 7,366 confirmed cases - an overall mortality rate of 1%. I think the disparity in numbers from location to location merits discussion. I personally think early recognition and containment is as big a factor as any. Countries that were proactive in effectively screening and quarantining their populations have been able to get out in front of it. The CDC erred by only initially setting up screening points at five airports, of which only two were on the West Coast. I decried at the time how marginally effective this was considering the number of daily flights coming into PDX, SEA, SJC, and SAN from Far East gateway cities - not only nonstops from PEK and PVG, but any of a number of other gateway cities from which people can 1-stop to and from those two. It was a halfassed approach. Now, we're not recognizing community transmission vectors until someone has had the virus long enough to not only become symptomatic but to become so ill as to require hospitalization. As the emergence of community spread including the new cluster in Washington state demonstrates (42 people presumed positive), we are clearly on the trailing end of this trying to play catch-up.
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