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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2010 11:31:49 GMT -8
Rumor has it that among the applicants to replace Chuck was Ron English, who was then Louisville's DC and had been Michigan's DC for two years prior to that.
English then got hired to be the head coach at Eastern Michigan. Granted, EMU has been a bad football team for many years. Still, English went 0-12 in 2009 and yesterday finished off a 2-10 second season by losing 71-3. It was the second time this year that EMU surrendered 70 points in a game. For a former defensive coordinator at Michigan, that ain't good.
EMU's only two wins were against Ball State in OT by three - and Ball State just fired its head coach after just his second year - and by four over Buffalo, which won just three games and lost yesterday to Akron, which went into that game 0-11.
According to my Phil Steele's, EMU averaged - are you ready? - 5,016 per game in home attendance in 2009. I have no idea what the attendance was this year but if English is allowed to return, you have to think they're going to have to pay people to show up in 2011.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Nov 27, 2010 13:17:14 GMT -8
Rumor has it that among the applicants to replace Chuck was Ron English, who was then Louisville's DC and had been Michigan's DC for two years prior to that. English then got hired to be the head coach at Eastern Michigan. Granted, EMU has been a bad football team for many years. Still, English went 0-12 in 2009 and yesterday finished off a 2-10 second season by losing 71-3. It was the second time this year that EMU surrendered 70 points in a game. For a former defensive coordinator at Michigan, that ain't good. EMU's only two wins were against Ball State in OT by three - and Ball State just fired its head coach after just his second year - and by four over Buffalo, which won just three games and lost yesterday to Akron, which went into that game 0-11. According to my Phil Steele's, EMU averaged - are you ready? - 5,016 per game in home attendance in 2009. I have no idea what the attendance was this year but if English is allowed to return, you have to think they're going to have to pay people to show up in 2011. Funny, posters on here criticized me for referring to him as "Clueless Ron English" I never thought he was very good as DBs coach for SDSU! |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Nov 27, 2010 17:48:22 GMT -8
Rumor has it that among the applicants to replace Chuck was Ron English, who was then Louisville's DC and had been Michigan's DC for two years prior to that. English then got hired to be the head coach at Eastern Michigan. Granted, EMU has been a bad football team for many years. Still, English went 0-12 in 2009 and yesterday finished off a 2-10 second season by losing 71-3. It was the second time this year that EMU surrendered 70 points in a game. For a former defensive coordinator at Michigan, that ain't good. EMU's only two wins were against Ball State in OT by three - and Ball State just fired its head coach after just his second year - and by four over Buffalo, which won just three games and lost yesterday to Akron, which went into that game 0-11. According to my Phil Steele's, EMU averaged - are you ready? - 5,016 per game in home attendance in 2009. I have no idea what the attendance was this year but if English is allowed to return, you have to think they're going to have to pay people to show up in 2011. This post belies a problem with many fans. They expect a coach to come in and change a program around in one to two years. That is absolutely insanely idiotic. What was the talent level when the new coach arrived? That just does not make sense if the man is trying to improve recruiting and has A Redshirt Freshman Class and a Freshman Class after two years as head coach (And in reality that Redshirt Freshman class would have been the kids who were recruited by the previous coach.). If the classes were any good, it would still take three more years before one fifth (usually less) of his roster were seniors who came in right after he was hired who could play for him. Witness the insane firing of Claude Gilbert many years ago here at SDSU. He was ordered by the AD to recruit mostly from the high schools instead of the JC's. Gilbert told the Ad and the Press that there was going to be a time three years into his recruiting that he would have a lot of Redshirt Sophomores, Redshirt Freshmen and actual Freshmen. When that day came he would have a losing season or seasons leading up to if his JC transfers from before were all gone. The AD said that it was understood that Gilbert would be hard pressed to win games with a football team of mostly underclassmen. Yet, when that team lost more than they won, Gilbert was fired. YOU do not fire a coach when he is playing with a team of mostly underclassmen, unless you caught him in bed with a Freshman cheerleader and he charged his expenses on the school credit card. |
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Post by goaztecs on Nov 27, 2010 22:04:35 GMT -8
Interesting post. First off its probably hopeless where English is at and no one could win there. I rember when he was the DB coach here in 96-97. He had a bad temper but he seemed to do well at Michigan. I thought he got offered a job with the Chicago Bears before. I'm glad we didn't offer him here. That would of been a disaster. I didn't realize how bad his program is. Good find.
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Nov 28, 2010 6:39:57 GMT -8
Interesting post. First off its probably hopeless where English is at and no one could win there. I rember when he was the DB coach here in 96-97. He had a bad temper but he seemed to do well at Michigan. I thought he got offered a job with the Chicago Bears before. I'm glad we didn't offer him here. That would of been a disaster. I didn't realize how bad his program is. Good find. You can not label a program as bad until you see how the coaches Freshman Recruits are playing as Junior and Seniors. I expect that if he is given time, English will prove to be a good coach. He knows coaching. The question is can he recruit well enough to turn the program around. |
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Post by 01aztecgrad on Nov 28, 2010 7:46:24 GMT -8
I don't know anything about Ron English, but I have a friend who played football at Eastern about 8 years ago. It will take a miracle for anybody turn that program around. Everybody in Michigan is either a Michigan or Michigan State fan, nobody cares about the directional schools, even the students and alumni.
That job is a career killer, but it's tough to get a HC gig, especially for black assistant coaches, so I guess he decided it's worth the risk. The best case scenario is that he lucks out and gets one or two respectable seasons, like Turner Gill, and moves up to a horrible BCS job that is likely another career killer.
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Post by mtrop on Nov 28, 2010 9:38:51 GMT -8
Isn't Ken Delgado on his staff? If so, I'm sure he wishes he was back at Cal.
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 28, 2010 9:44:48 GMT -8
Rumor has it that among the applicants to replace Chuck was Ron English, who was then Louisville's DC and had been Michigan's DC for two years prior to that. English then got hired to be the head coach at Eastern Michigan. Granted, EMU has been a bad football team for many years. Still, English went 0-12 in 2009 and yesterday finished off a 2-10 second season by losing 71-3. It was the second time this year that EMU surrendered 70 points in a game. For a former defensive coordinator at Michigan, that ain't good. EMU's only two wins were against Ball State in OT by three - and Ball State just fired its head coach after just his second year - and by four over Buffalo, which won just three games and lost yesterday to Akron, which went into that game 0-11. According to my Phil Steele's, EMU averaged - are you ready? - 5,016 per game in home attendance in 2009. I have no idea what the attendance was this year but if English is allowed to return, you have to think they're going to have to pay people to show up in 2011. This post belies a problem with many fans. They expect a coach to come in and change a program around in one to two years. That is absolutely insanely idiotic. What was the talent level when the new coach arrived? That just does not make sense if the man is trying to improve recruiting and has A Redshirt Freshman Class and a Freshman Class after two years as head coach (And in reality that Redshirt Freshman class would have been the kids who were recruited by the previous coach.). If the classes were any good, it would still take three more years before one fifth (usually less) of his roster were seniors who came in right after he was hired who could play for him. Witness the insane firing of Claude Gilbert many years ago here at SDSU. He was ordered by the AD to recruit mostly from the high schools instead of the JC's. Gilbert told the Ad and the Press that there was going to be a time three years into his recruiting that he would have a lot of Redshirt Sophomores, Redshirt Freshmen and actual Freshmen. When that day came he would have a losing season or seasons leading up to if his JC transfers from before were all gone. The AD said that it was understood that Gilbert would be hard pressed to win games with a football team of mostly underclassmen. Yet, when that team lost more than they won, Gilbert was fired. YOU do not fire a coach when he is playing with a team of mostly underclassmen, unless you caught him in bed with a Freshman cheerleader and he charged his expenses on the school credit card. MANY fans. |
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Post by mtrop on Nov 28, 2010 9:49:19 GMT -8
Witness the insane firing of Claude Gilbert many years ago here at SDSU. He was ordered by the AD to recruit mostly from the high schools instead of the JC's. Gilbert told the Ad and the Press that there was going to be a time three years into his recruiting that he would have a lot of Redshirt Sophomores, Redshirt Freshmen and actual Freshmen. When that day came he would have a losing season or seasons leading up to if his JC transfers from before were all gone. The AD said that it was understood that Gilbert would be hard pressed to win games with a football team of mostly underclassmen. Yet, when that team lost more than they won, Gilbert was fired.
YOU do not fire a coach when he is playing with a team of mostly underclassmen, unless you caught him in bed with a Freshman cheerleader and he charged his expenses on the school credit card.[/quote]
Claude Gilbert's problem is that he followed a legend as head coach. Don Coryell
Not only that, Coryell only recruited Juco's and had connections with every JC coach in California. Claude tried to change that philosophy and paid the price even though he was successful.
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Post by aztecwin on Nov 28, 2010 12:42:39 GMT -8
Witness the insane firing of Claude Gilbert many years ago here at SDSU. He was ordered by the AD to recruit mostly from the high schools instead of the JC's. Gilbert told the Ad and the Press that there was going to be a time three years into his recruiting that he would have a lot of Redshirt Sophomores, Redshirt Freshmen and actual Freshmen. When that day came he would have a losing season or seasons leading up to if his JC transfers from before were all gone. The AD said that it was understood that Gilbert would be hard pressed to win games with a football team of mostly underclassmen. Yet, when that team lost more than they won, Gilbert was fired. YOU do not fire a coach when he is playing with a team of mostly underclassmen, unless you caught him in bed with a Freshman cheerleader and he charged his expenses on the school credit card. Sad part of our history. |
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Post by William L. Rupp on Nov 28, 2010 12:56:52 GMT -8
People often say that the Sunbelt Conference is the weakest FBS league, but I really think that the Mid America Conference may very well deserve that title. The Sunbelt, in my view, may be able to improve over time. After all, it's in the football crazy South. The MAC, on the other hand, seems stuck where it is, and where it is may not be much stronger than some of the FCS conferences.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2010 18:54:28 GMT -8
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Post by goaztecs on Nov 28, 2010 20:35:05 GMT -8
They coached together for two years at SDSU. Eastern Michigan is hopeless and so is UNLV. |
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Post by Steve Aztec on Nov 30, 2010 10:55:33 GMT -8
Yes...I think Chuck Long was a bad hire.
I thought so at the time and I think so now.
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Post by joshjones1 on Nov 30, 2010 14:36:08 GMT -8
Yes...I think Chuck Long was a bad hire. I thought so at the time and I think so now. He was....but I am going to eat some crow on his recruits. The current roster shows us that Chuck recruited much better than I originally gave him credit for. I am thankful to him for that, and cleaning up the APR mess. I hope Chuck does well at KU and hopefully gets another shot as a head coach at a smaller school in the future. He's still very young, and oftentimes coaches do much better at their second stop than the first, as they had to endure growing pains and rookie mistakes. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2010 16:01:06 GMT -8
Yes...I think Chuck Long was a bad hire. I thought so at the time and I think so now. He was....but I am going to eat some crow on his recruits. The current roster shows us that Chuck recruited much better than I originally gave him credit for. Vincent Brown for one was a GREAT find. I said on the MWC board that he reminds me more and more of a taller Webster Slaughter. Great body control, dangerous as hell in the open field and a top-notch blocker for wideout. Chuck also found some pretty damn good offensive linemen and linebackers. |
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Post by dshawfan on Nov 30, 2010 16:18:03 GMT -8
Yes...I think Chuck Long was a bad hire. I thought so at the time and I think so now. He was....but I am going to eat some crow on his recruits. The current roster shows us that Chuck recruited much better than I originally gave him credit for. I am thankful to him for that, and cleaning up the APR mess. I hope Chuck does well at KU and hopefully gets another shot as a head coach at a smaller school in the future. He's still very young, and oftentimes coaches do much better at their second stop than the first, as they had to endure growing pains and rookie mistakes. +1 |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Nov 30, 2010 18:46:34 GMT -8
Rumor has it that among the applicants to replace Chuck was Ron English, who was then Louisville's DC and had been Michigan's DC for two years prior to that. English then got hired to be the head coach at Eastern Michigan. Granted, EMU has been a bad football team for many years. Still, English went 0-12 in 2009 and yesterday finished off a 2-10 second season by losing 71-3. It was the second time this year that EMU surrendered 70 points in a game. For a former defensive coordinator at Michigan, that ain't good. EMU's only two wins were against Ball State in OT by three - and Ball State just fired its head coach after just his second year - and by four over Buffalo, which won just three games and lost yesterday to Akron, which went into that game 0-11. According to my Phil Steele's, EMU averaged - are you ready? - 5,016 per game in home attendance in 2009. I have no idea what the attendance was this year but if English is allowed to return, you have to think they're going to have to pay people to show up in 2011. Most of the "directional schools" are rather small and most of them try to exist within the rather large shadow of BCS conference teams. I really don't think it's fair to compare them to us. =Bob |
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