Remember when we always had a good bullpen?

[docmm]

Man, other than Kirby, these are the most inconsistent relievers I can ever remember. As far as Edwards goes, there's a reason the Cubs got rid of him. And Wingenter and Strahm are a pair of gasoline cans when they come into games. Strahm has one "good" outing, then two bad ones. If Andy is calling the shots on who gets the hook and when, he may be in trouble by the end of the year. I think he horribly over-manages.

[docmm]

I didn't watch the game but why would he pull Joey L with two outs in the top of the 5th just because the last guy got an infield single? You have to let a young pitcher have a chance to complete 5 innings and possibly win the game with a rally in the bottom of the inning.

I know the next hitter singled and homered already off of him but if Green is so worried about keeping the game close in the 5th inning, why isn't he in the 7th or 8th?

[aardvark]

Aug 12, 2019 21:33:31 GMT -8 docmm said:

I didn't watch the game but why would he pull Joey L with two outs in the top of the 5th just because the last guy got an infield single? You have to let a young pitcher have a chance to complete 5 innings and possibly win the game with a rally in the bottom of the inning.

I know the next hitter singled and homered already off of him but if Green is so worried about keeping the game close in the 5th inning, why isn't he in the 7th or 8th?

Lucchesi had thrown 94 pitches in 4 2/3 innings. That's just not very effective. This year is a development year. It gives the Padres a chance to see what they have in the bullpen. Right now, they aren't very good.

[survalli]

Aug 12, 2019 22:15:42 GMT -8 aardvark said:

Aug 12, 2019 21:33:31 GMT -8 docmm said:

I didn't watch the game but why would he pull Joey L with two outs in the top of the 5th just because the last guy got an infield single? You have to let a young pitcher have a chance to complete 5 innings and possibly win the game with a rally in the bottom of the inning.

I know the next hitter singled and homered already off of him but if Green is so worried about keeping the game close in the 5th inning, why isn't he in the 7th or 8th?

Lucchesi had thrown 94 pitches in 4 2/3 innings. That's just not very effective. This year is a development year. It gives the Padres a chance to see what they have in the bullpen. Right now, they aren't very good.

Blame the bullpen on Prellar. He traded them all away thinking they were replaceable.

As for the Starters, all of its between the ears. the only guy of the starters who seems to have the proper mental makeup right now in my opinion is Cal Quantrill.

Chris Paddock: Why the curve as a third pitch? why not a slider or a cutter. too confident in his two pitches, and he gets smoked.
Lucceshi: same deal, electric stuff, but he can get lulled into believing in his stuff and he gets ripped with regularity. particularly when trying to get that first strike.
Lament: he could throw his slider all day like deGroom and probably get away with it. inconsistency, pitch selection i think make him predictable.
Lauer: good versus the Dodgers, sucks against everyone else. got to be mental

[aztecryan]

Aug 13, 2019 10:12:48 GMT -8 survalli said:

Aug 12, 2019 22:15:42 GMT -8 aardvark said:

Lucchesi had thrown 94 pitches in 4 2/3 innings. That's just not very effective. This year is a development year. It gives the Padres a chance to see what they have in the bullpen. Right now, they aren't very good.

Blame the bullpen on Prellar. He traded them all away thinking they were replaceable.

As for the Starters, all of its between the ears. the only guy of the starters who seems to have the proper mental makeup right now in my opinion is Cal Quantrill.

Chris Paddock: Why the curve as a third pitch? why not a slider or a cutter. too confident in his two pitches, and he gets smoked.
Lucceshi: same deal, electric stuff, but he can get lulled into believing in his stuff and he gets ripped with regularity. particularly when trying to get that first strike.
Lament: he could throw his slider all day like deGroom and probably get away with it. inconsistency, pitch selection i think make him predictable.
Lauer: good versus the Dodgers, sucks against everyone else. got to be mental

Preller traded away Hand and Adam Cimber from a bullpen that was 2nd in WAR last year, not "all of them"....and the reality is, most bullpen arms ARE replaceable level assets. They have the highest volatility and regression year over year. Sensibly here, you removed Matt Strahm from the bullpen because he deserved a chance to start. Jose Castillo, who was dominant last season, got hurt before ever throwing a pitch. Aaron Loup, who was brought in to be the second left hander out of the pen, got hurt after 3 innings. Craig Stammen had a tremendous year last year, especially in regards to home run prevention (3). He gave up 4 in one inning this year. Robert Stock, who had a 2.50 ERA last year, completely lost the strike zone.

Every starting pitcher has some form of limitation - Paddack and Strahm were on pitch counts, Lauer and Lucchesi are classic "do not let them see the order three times" guys and Lamet is still working on recovering his command after being out for a year and a half. This haa a domino effect on the bullpen because you have players absorbing a lot of innings and pitching outside of their roles. And there is the anomaly that the Padres have one of the worst flyball to home run ratios in the league, as well. In fact, they have a few guys whose home run rate has tripled or quadrupled in shorter innings samples. And now, you have three guys (Baez, Morejon and Muñoz) who can't throw back to back games, which really causes some difficulties in management. They'll be fine next season.

[aztecryan]

One other thing as well...Eric Lauer lost his dad just a few weeks ago. Take whatever happens the rest of the year with him with some kindness and grace. Speaking from experience, it is tremendously difficult to adjust to that in the middle of a long year.

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Aug 13, 2019 10:25:48 GMT -8 aztecryan said:

Aug 13, 2019 10:12:48 GMT -8 survalli said:

Blame the bullpen on Prellar. He traded them all away thinking they were replaceable.

As for the Starters, all of its between the ears. the only guy of the starters who seems to have the proper mental makeup right now in my opinion is Cal Quantrill.

Chris Paddock: Why the curve as a third pitch? why not a slider or a cutter. too confident in his two pitches, and he gets smoked.
Lucceshi: same deal, electric stuff, but he can get lulled into believing in his stuff and he gets ripped with regularity. particularly when trying to get that first strike.
Lament: he could throw his slider all day like deGroom and probably get away with it. inconsistency, pitch selection i think make him predictable.
Lauer: good versus the Dodgers, sucks against everyone else. got to be mental

Preller traded away Hand and Adam Cimber from a bullpen that was 2nd in WAR last year, not "all of them"....and the reality is, most bullpen arms ARE replaceable level assets. They have the highest volatility and regression year over year. Sensibly here, you removed Matt Strahm from the bullpen because he deserved a chance to start. Jose Castillo, who was dominant last season, got hurt before ever throwing a pitch. Aaron Loup, who was brought in to be the second left hander out of the pen, got hurt after 3 innings. Craig Stammen had a tremendous year last year, especially in regards to home run prevention (3). He gave up 4 in one inning this year. Robert Stock, who had a 2.50 ERA last year, completely lost the strike zone.

Every starting pitcher has some form of limitation - Paddack and Strahm were on pitch counts, Lauer and Lucchesi are classic "do not let them see the order three times" guys and Lamet is still working on recovering his command after being out for a year and a half. This haa a domino effect on the bullpen because you have players absorbing a lot of innings and pitching outside of their roles. And there is the anomaly that the Padres have one of the worst flyball to home run ratios in the league, as well. In fact, they have a few guys whose home run rate has tripled or quadrupled in shorter innings samples. And now, you have three guys (Baez, Morejon and Muñoz) who can't throw back to back games, which really causes some difficulties in management. They'll be fine next season.

As an Indians fan, I am not a big fan of Cimber anyways. Sure, his stats in 2019 are "decent", actually trending toward pretty solid but I swear that guy seems to fold in high pressure leveraged situations. I just do not trust him.